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I never really got a satisfactory answer from the EV mavens about how the millions of people like me, who park on the street, are going to keep our EVs charged. I don't park anywhere besides at my house and there's zero guarantee I'll get a spot in front of my house.
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guess I can just go hang out at Sheetz for five hours
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May 12, 2022 18:12
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mystes posted:If you virtually never drive, the emissions from gas will be negligible compared to the emissions from producing a whole new car, so there's no point in running out and buying a shiny new EV rather than just driving some junky old used car. I'm talking about a junky old EV to be clear. My last car was a '96, and I just upgraded to an '09 with 110k miles two years ago. I drive it once a week, so I'll probably have it for at least another decade.
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May 12, 2022 18:14
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I never really got a satisfactory answer from the EV mavens about how the millions of people like me, who park on the street, are going to keep our EVs charged. I don't park anywhere besides at my house and there's zero guarantee I'll get a spot in front of my house. Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:guess I can just go hang out at Sheetz for five hours I guess if we reach a point where 100% of vehicles are EVs people might switch to battery swapping. Otherwise yeah it pretty much assumes you have a house with a driveway/garage. I guess if 100% of vehicles are EVs you could also just decide to block sidewalks everywhere by installing charging stations by every street parking space in typical carbrain fashion.
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May 12, 2022 18:14
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Peanut President posted:
Guarantee you there's a pub within walking distance to get absolutely sloshed on slivovice at tho
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May 12, 2022 18:16
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Epic High Five posted:Counterpoint: it's Reddit You have me there.
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May 12, 2022 18:22
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:guess I can just go hang out at Sheetz for five hours You're supposed to use one of those chargers at the mall, and spend money while you wait.
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May 12, 2022 18:23
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If my EV has to charge while I'm at work, how am I going to send it out to collect fares for me as I was promised??
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May 12, 2022 18:26
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https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1524128012815548417?s=20&t=tgyKD7-hvunsPW4sTbMtZw The 2nd screencap is really spot-on. Boywhiz88 has issued a correction as of 19:00 on May 12, 2022 |
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May 12, 2022 18:47
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I never really got a satisfactory answer from the EV mavens about how the millions of people like me, who park on the street, are going to keep our EVs charged. I don't park anywhere besides at my house and there's zero guarantee I'll get a spot in front of my house. Oh well the whole scheme assumes everyone lives in a suburb and has a garage. This is what we need to do for the environment.
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May 12, 2022 18:48
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Can you not also mitigate the problems with EVs by not driving? No. The problems of EV are in the actual production and disposal of them which are worse then ICE cars.
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May 12, 2022 18:56
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I never really got a satisfactory answer from the EV mavens about how the millions of people like me, who park on the street, are going to keep our EVs charged. I don't park anywhere besides at my house and there's zero guarantee I'll get a spot in front of my house. 
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May 12, 2022 18:57
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They just decided to shut off all the public water fountains to discourage the homeless from drinking water and existing around here, so uh, no way in hell are you ever getting public charging infrastructure on the street.
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May 12, 2022 19:04
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I'm talking about a junky old EV to be clear. My last car was a '96, and I just upgraded to an '09 with 110k miles two years ago. I drive it once a week, so I'll probably have it for at least another decade. I'm not sure if this will ever be an option both because of the relatively short useful life of an EV and also because more car companies are pushing the lease model, especially with EVs. Doing a full lease model for EV's may actually be better for the environment then buying an economic ICE vehicle assuming that the company is responsible for the full life-cycle of the EV and can't just dump all the old EVs into the great lakes or whatever. In any case, the best model is a society built with no need for personal vehicles at all and for now the second best option is an old economic ICE, assuming your personal vehicle needs are low.
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May 12, 2022 19:05
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Pryor on Fire posted:They just decided to shut off all the public water fountains to discourage the homeless from drinking water and existing around here, so uh, no way in hell are you ever getting public charging infrastructure on the street. That's because it benefitted the homeless while this benefits elon
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May 12, 2022 19:05
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they're just gonna hang a bunch of outlets down from the power lines
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I never really got a satisfactory answer from the EV mavens about how the millions of people like me, who park on the street, are going to keep our EVs charged. I don't park anywhere besides at my house and there's zero guarantee I'll get a spot in front of my house. Nobody has any answers lol, ask any of them "okay I'm a renter, how's this work out for me?" and they just go glassy eyed which I assume is the natural response of techno-utopianists when confronted with the existence of people who aren't affluent homeowners with a garage and driveway of their own
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May 12, 2022 19:06
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Epic High Five posted:Nobody has any answers lol, ask any of them "okay I'm a renter, how's this work out for me?" and they just go glassy eyed which I assume is the natural response of techno-utopianists when confronted with the existence of people who aren't affluent homeowners with a garage and driveway of their own same answer as how we're gonna fix climate change in the larger sense "I'm sure we'll figure it out"
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May 12, 2022 19:10
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:same answer as how we're gonna fix climate change in the larger sense what if we have municipalities install street outlets at every parking spot oh word no new taxes? I’m sure we can take it out of
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May 12, 2022 19:24
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I never really got a satisfactory answer from the EV mavens about how the millions of people like me, who park on the street, are going to keep our EVs charged. I don't park anywhere besides at my house and there's zero guarantee I'll get a spot in front of my house. giant bumper car style electricity cages over every street like in super mario brothers the movie
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May 12, 2022 19:43
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Is the electrical infrastructure in the US really up to the task of having to do everything it's doing now plus having to replace the energy provided by gas in every personal vehicle operating?
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May 12, 2022 19:47
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Epic High Five posted:Is the electrical infrastructure in the US really up to the task of having to do everything it's doing now plus having to replace the energy provided by gas in every personal vehicle operating? Nothing that a few dozen more coal-fired plants can't fix.
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May 12, 2022 20:08
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Epic High Five posted:Is the electrical infrastructure in the US really up to the task of having to do everything it's doing now plus having to replace the energy provided by gas in every personal vehicle operating? that's why I'm proposing back up gas generators for all EV charging stations and as I'm typing this I'm realizing this is something Tesla already did at one of their big charging centers I think lol
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May 12, 2022 20:10
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mystes posted:If you virtually never drive, the emissions from gas will be negligible compared to the emissions from producing a whole new car, so there's no point in running out and buying a shiny new EV rather than just driving some junky old used car. yeah i'm planning to drive my 2011 car like 800-1000 miles a year until it dies I think pre-covid it was more like, 2000 miles, so still really low
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May 12, 2022 20:21
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Philadelphia had some program where you could get a designated street spot for your electric car with a charger but they got rid of it
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May 12, 2022 20:27
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Epic High Five posted:Is the electrical infrastructure in the US really up to the task of having to do everything it's doing now no
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Epic High Five posted:Is the electrical infrastructure in the US really up to the task of having to do everything it's doing now plus having to replace the energy provided by gas in every personal vehicle operating? On this topic, the next generation of video cards is expected to require 1kW (or higher!) power supplies. There's going to be some wiring issues in the future 
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SKULL.GIF posted:On this topic, the next generation of video cards is expected to require 1kW (or higher!) power supplies. There's going to be some wiring issues in the future Wtf why
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May 12, 2022 21:05
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:No. The problems of EV are in the actual production and disposal of them which are worse then ICE cars. I welcome any excuse to rain on the EV parade, but everything I've read says EVs still come out ahead. There are the issues with battery production and disposal, but we have similar issues with oil, and I haven't seen a breakdown yet that says batteries are worse. Help me out??
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Car Hater posted:Wtf why 4k 144Hz brother
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I welcome any excuse to rain on the EV parade, but everything I've read says EVs still come out ahead. There are the issues with battery production and disposal, but we have similar issues with oil, and I haven't seen a breakdown yet that says batteries are worse. Help me out?? Lithium batteries can literally cause landfill fires if not properly disposed of. As far as carbon emissions, Teslas are a marginal improvement over Priuses even after 4-5 years because of how carbon-intensive production is. Also, escaped Methane is a wash since a lot of states now used NG plants. Basically, it really isn't going do much for the environment, it may be actually worse in some cases depending on circumstances. The big advantage is saving more on gas prices (but even then electricity isn't free). If you wanted to actually stop climate change you would build: nuke plants, end natural gas production(even before coal), ban fracking and put massive penalities for escaped methane, ban the use of methane-producing feed, and dump Netherland style amounts of money into non-car infrastructure. None of it will ever happen. -------------- As far as Eastern Europe goes, they are some suburbs but a lot of single-family dwellings are just in villages far from any urban center. I would say about 90% of the time if someone lives in a city or around a city they live in a post-war commie block (or have money and live in the historical center.) Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:13 on May 12, 2022 |
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I welcome any excuse to rain on the EV parade, but everything I've read says EVs still come out ahead. There are the issues with battery production and disposal, but we have similar issues with oil, and I haven't seen a breakdown yet that says batteries are worse. Help me out?? My understanding is that there is a sweet-spot where if you do a daily commute with EV vs ICE and get a new car every 5-10years EV is better even vs a Prius or some other high-efficiency ICE vehicle. However if you have a use-case where you plan to keep your car for like 10+ years, EV falls behind because the battery shelf-life of the EV means that you have to change out the battery's regardless of how many miles you've put on them. Since the battery's are the most carbon and resource intensive part of the EV to produce, you are essentially wasting those resources because you aren't actually getting the assumed value out of them. Whereas an ICE car will be perfectly functional for years, and the wear on them is directly related to how many miles you put on it. So for a use case where you need a car for say 2000miles a year and that's it, then keeping an old high efficiency ICE car is more economical and "greener" then replacing it with an EV every 10years. (Car sharing programs would be even better, but that's a different scenario).
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I welcome any excuse to rain on the EV parade, but everything I've read says EVs still come out ahead. There are the issues with battery production and disposal, but we have similar issues with oil, and I haven't seen a breakdown yet that says batteries are worse. Help me out?? the major thing is all the unholy amounts of lithium, cobalt, nickel, etc requires America to couping socialists and leftist people in South America and Africa and instilling far right neoliberal-friendly paramilitary regimes and use effectively slavery to force people to pillage and destroy their own homeland for a bite of bread leading to the permanent immerisation and death of hundreds of millions of poc so the west can feel good about “zero emission”
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if all you care about is “how much co2e does this make over x years” that’s a different problem but the geopolitical question of immense ungodly exploitation needed to make them “affordable” so some fat gently caress from Minneapolis can drive from their tract house to Whole Foods farting out smug is a different one and a much much worse one
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ev's are basically using a finite non renewable resource in lithium instead of oil
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SKULL.GIF posted:On this topic, the next generation of video cards is expected to require 1kW (or higher!) power supplies. There's going to be some wiring issues in the future Hwat
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don’t forget car tires which are literally filling the air and our brains with micro plastics lol steel on steel or gtfo
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Peanut President posted:
Those homes are built right up on the sidewalk, on regular streets instead of the Lovecraftian layouts you see in America. I would also guess that those houses probably don't all have two-car garages, though that's hard to tell from that view.
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Peanut President posted:ev's are basically using a finite non renewable resource in lithium instead of oil this is also why ebikes are bad
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Peanut President posted:ev's are basically using a finite non renewable resource in lithium instead of oil If you're going to say lithium is nonrenewable then there is no "renewable" technology lol. lithium can at least theoretically be profitably recycled
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