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Willa Rogers posted:Found these interesting stats when I went to the LAT for news on the shooting: Yes, they are, but because line go up > all, they were not incentivized to actually maintain some goddamn standards of safety and purity at their factories, and shut one down 'out of an abundance of caution' after two salmonella deaths, which is corporate speak for 'oh gently caress oh gently caress we have no way of finding out what elements of this process are actually protected from contamination oh gently caress'. This did not shut down all of the company's production lines (there are other factories), but it did shut down the whole company's production of an extremely hypoallergenic product line only produced by one other company. There are actual nationwide production shortages of this particular type of formula and the people who buy it don't have much in the way of alternatives. The rest is down to panic buying; some people have two or three times what they need and some people have none. Formula is a perishable good and while some overages are expected, it's not reasonable to expect companies to produce two or three times the actual demanded amount of baby formula, most of which will go to waste.
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haveblue posted:It’s more that you should turn around and ignore it because “they might shoot you” No one was going to loving shoot me. They're cowards. Angry cowards but cowards still. I went at them like Maude Flanders pretending to be offended by dirty words. For all they knew I was a hardcore Christian upset about colorful language in front of the little children.
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Starks posted:He claims to have been a communist when he was 12 (what). So Lightning Knight didn’t break the mold…
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:oh good, an explicit Christchurch copycat, sure needed that added to the pile. It's going to keep happening and won't stop. One of the genies let out of the bottle with the internet is going to be the accelerated pace someone can self radicalize and convince themselves to do lone wolf political violence. Add on top a country with little healthcare for the most vulnerable and who's mental health protocol is to leave you on your own until you make them shoot you like a dog.
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Willa Rogers posted:When was the last time Dems came up with an effective trope or tweet? There was that cartoon of GWB as a vampire sneaking up on an unsuspecting Statue of Liberty? Also that brief “I’ll type Drumpf instead of Trump” phase.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:
*shudder* Ugh, that was a bad one. Smgdh
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BiggerBoat posted:No one was going to loving shoot me. They're cowards. Angry cowards but cowards still. You’re literally betting your life on that but you do you
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Yeah I dunno. I saw a TRUMP 2024 THE REVENGE TOUR flag on my way home today and it seemed more ominous to me than usual. Just weird vibes.
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BiggerBoat is fine, you're betting your life on potentially catching a bullet in the US if you walk out a door or sit near a window too close to the street.
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Gumball Gumption posted:BiggerBoat is fine, you're betting your life on potentially catching a bullet in the US if you walk out a door or sit near a window too close to the street.
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I'd like to kramer in with some advice as well: DO NOT RETWEET OR POST THE VIDEO AND/OR MANIFESTO! That directly does harm, amplifying the shooter's wretched "cause" and encouraging others to do the same. Instead, retweet/post helpful things. Like the video of that sweet, heavy duty 6 copter drone made by the valiant anti-coup freedom fighters of Myanmar.
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staticman posted:I'd like to kramer in with some advice as well: I'd agree with this. You can discuss it for sure, but do not share that trash.
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This does contain a small excerpt from the alleged manifesto, and I’ll remove it if asked. I’m posting it because I honestly can’t tell which one is Tucker Carlson and which one is the manifesto. https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/1525611272007565318?s=20&t=2A4uHYioXj0E6cO8kQz92A
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In case anyone forgot just how absurd this man is. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1525614110733262848?s=20&t=ZxY5kXMFT8g1HMJ9cfYL4g
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Dick Trauma posted:In case anyone forgot just how absurd this man is.  *sigh* This guy has supporters and followers and martyrs and sycophants and people who are tripping over themselves to get into his good graces and get a shout out or endorsement.. I just... this clip.. watching it gave me a forced reset. This is it. This was my crack ping. The Bananana fucked around with this message at 04:31 on May 15, 2022 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:less shitposting / low content stuff please Can we get more probes for this stuff instead of generic occasional warnings? It feels like this thread has taken a nosedive in the past couple-ish(?) weeks since it seems like it's more warnings and less probes. IMO, this thread has been utter poo poo/white noise posting recently Kalit fucked around with this message at 04:49 on May 15, 2022 |
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Jesus.quote:In it, he claims he was radicalized on an extremist 4chan forum while he was “bored” at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic in early 2020. quote:A security guard returned fire but the rounds didn't appear to penetrate the suspect's ballistic gear. The suspect returned fire and fatally shot the guard, officials said. quote:A senior law enforcement official said the suspect's parents are distraught and cooperating with authorities. They said their son recently and legally purchased the weapons, the official said. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting-leaves-7-dead-law-enforcement-source-rcna28883
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hey what percentage of republicans believe in some form of Great Replacement fears
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Kavros posted:hey what percentage of republicans believe in some form of Great Replacement fears It's Tucker Carlson's favorite subject, so likely a large amount.
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Mass shooters have pretty much all been motivated by white supremacy, Nazism and conservative rhetoric going back to Columbine at least, and the media has been fully complicit in covering that up and blaming literally everything else, usually choosing scapegoats that reinforce right-wing narratives in the process. It's stochastic terrorism, implicitly endorsed and enabled by the state, media and police.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's Tucker Carlson's favorite subject, so likely a large amount. 100% is a large amount I guess.
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Kavros posted:hey what percentage of republicans believe in some form of Great Replacement fears I posted a poll the other day that indicated something close to half. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/nearly-half-republicans-agree-with-great-replacement-theory/  Notably, nearly 20% of democrats also fall into the basket of deplorable racists there as well. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 07:16 on May 15, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/possumkratom69/status/1525302769229258752?s=20&t=LlWF7YtlfJCIOuaOXSDGJA I honestly think this guy gets it. This is where we are.
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LionArcher posted:https://twitter.com/possumkratom69/status/1525302769229258752?s=20&t=LlWF7YtlfJCIOuaOXSDGJA Tweet's gone, whatever it was.
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here's a screenshot of it. https://twitter.com/sickafsid/status/1525638115712454657?s=20&t=LlWF7YtlfJCIOuaOXSDGJA it was three posts (covered Row and climate change too), but that was the starter and summed it up well.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Jesus. It’s textbook InfoWars stuff, like, literally exactly the poo poo they’re spewing to their audience, which means that it will be declared false flag before Monday.
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I read the manifesto and the ideological parts feel like copypaste stuff, but then that's kind of how internet homogenization works with ideology. The cranks just aren't that interesting any more because they all get together to put their stories together. Most of it is a bunch of screenshots, likely pulled off of 4chan to talk about how racism is good, actually.
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BigglesSWE posted:It’s textbook InfoWars stuff, like, literally exactly the poo poo they’re spewing to their audience, which means that it will be declared false flag before Monday. We already have GOP sitting state senators saying it was a false flag the day of the shooting https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1525672875717427207?s=20&t=RjKXg7tYqdJQ8BoKnHrzbw
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BiggerBoat posted:I'm not scared of these people. good stuff and way to stand up for what you believe in but yeah even obscenities are constitutionally protected free speech. Cops might have showed up and talked to them but cant legally intervene. also i enjoy your anecdotes about the local flavor in florida 
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The Bananana posted:
Now imagine living in the same country with these obvious monsters, and thinking they're good people who are just scared and confused and that you should talk to them over a period of years, appeal to their material conditions and turn them into socialist allies. I wonder why the left in America doesn't have useful messaging. It's not like they were gifted the easiest group to rally people against.
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DarkCrawler posted:Now imagine living in the same country with these obvious monsters, and thinking they're good people who are just scared and confused and that you should talk to them over a period of years, appeal to their material conditions and turn them into socialist allies. The leftist position is to provide for people's material needs so that society doesn't degrade to the point that it starts producing people like this. It's the liberal position that in lieu of addressing material conditions we should instead wag our fingers at the fascists our broken society is producing and somehow shame them into not being fascist.
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DarkCrawler posted:Now imagine living in the same country with these obvious monsters, and thinking they're good people who are just scared and confused and that you should talk to them over a period of years, appeal to their material conditions and turn them into socialist allies. Your philosophy also amounts to "and that's why you shouldn't invite family to dinner" and you don't even live here and have no real understanding of the ground floor view.
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Mostly though, it had a whole thread where no one ever agreed and maybe you should just let it go, since you don't even live in the US. Alternatively, free Prester Jane if we are allowing "not moderating based on viewpoint" to include "endless repetition of an argument a loud portion of us just don't care about"
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DarkCrawler it sounds like the other people in this guy's life did exactly what you proscribed they should do, I'd maybe sit this one out if your plan is to pitch it as some sort of vindication of a theory of power that is exclusively personal and individual, and no this is not an invitation to copy/paste it again as though we aren't all aware of it already. I implore the thread to move on and not make this about something that was already hashed out and settled in a dedicated thread
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Gumball Gumption posted:Your philosophy also amounts to "and that's why you shouldn't invite family to dinner" and you don't even live here and have no real understanding of the ground floor view. Yes, it does amount to not inviting fascists to dinner. Radical for Americans, I know, and part of the reason why you have such a problem with fascism. And as the thread we engaged in already demonstrated exhaustively, I seem to know more about how things work in America then the people who claim things like idk. "No leftists live on urban areas" and stuff like that. is pepsi ok posted:The leftist position is to provide for people's material needs so that society doesn't degrade to the point that it starts producing people like this. Nah, it's the actual leftist position to refuse to associate with fascists, normalizing their fascism and sending the message that fascism is an acceptable thing for anyone to engage in. If that is the liberal position they are currently doing more about fascism in America then the left is, and that is pretty sad. Epic High Five posted:DarkCrawler it sounds like the other people in this guy's life did exactly what you proscribed they should do, I'd maybe sit this one out if your plan is to pitch it as some sort of vindication of a theory of power that is exclusively personal and individual, and no this is not an invitation to copy/paste it again as though we aren't all aware of it already. "This guy" being Donald Trump? And since this thread is 99% already settled arguments ragging on liberals, I don't think the 1% ragging on you know, fascists is the priority thing to focus on. Since there are actually zero liberals here but plenty of people who think it is okay to hang out with fascists. My plan is not about exclusively individual, though when people claim that individual actions have no effect on anything towards communal, it does have an interesting tangle with everything else they claim. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 15:26 on May 15, 2022 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Yes, it does amount to not inviting fascists to dinner. Radical for Americans, I know, and part of the reason why you have such a problem with fascism. I don’t think you have a great grasp on American politics or culture. Liberal president keeps giving money to fascist gangs (police) and reminiscing on his time working with fascist race hustlers like Strom.
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selec posted:I don’t think you have a great grasp on American politics or culture. Liberal president keeps giving money to fascist gangs (police) and reminiscing on his time working with fascist race hustlers like Strom. Cool, so they're accepting fascism as well? Generally that is my problem. It's other people demanding Biden not to associate with fascists while engaging in that themselves. Maybe he was friends with Storm? He was a colleague anyway, and as we know, telling fascists they're bad people when they are friends family or colleagues is useless finger wagging 
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