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I'd also guess English sources probably think Comic Yuri Hime is seinen cause it had more male readers briefly during Yuru Yuri's anime airing or something dumb like that Also outside of like Jump and Nakayoshi the target audience of magazine is way more blurred especially with internet distribution taking over As for the noralites video it also made the mistake of going Sailor Moon, Utena, CCS and than Madoka skipping over a few shows that kinda of also moved the needle before Madoka
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tbh it's a lot more than a history gap, it's missing that magical girls for actual kids and magical girls for late-night adult audiences are related but basically wholly divergent things, with the decline in raw number of the former not really having anything to do with madoka being popular. it's like the isekai thing where the rise of reincarnation fantasy as the dominant narou template gets framed as somehow displacing 70s-90s shows about very alive kids getting zapped over to fantasy lands to save them.
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May 16, 2022 04:08
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Yeah its like the articles saying magical girls have changed ignoring that Precure and Pretty Rhythm have been going for the past decade and even Late Night Magical girls haven't been all dark and suffering too...
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May 16, 2022 04:18
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Unlike other mecha anime, this one focuses on the humans
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Motto posted:tbh it's a lot more than a history gap, it's missing that magical girls for actual kids and magical girls for late-night adult audiences are related but basically wholly divergent things, with the decline in raw number of the former not really having anything to do with madoka being popular. it's like the isekai thing where the rise of reincarnation fantasy as the dominant narou template gets framed as somehow displacing 70s-90s shows about very alive kids getting zapped over to fantasy lands to save them. As somebody who watches barely any new anime, learning about isekai was so confusing because everybody talked about it like it was a new thing but it just sounded like Fushigi Yuugi or Inuyasah to me.
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there's some stylistic and thematic differences between old isekai and modern. but also i dont think most of the people upset about it have actually watched dunbine or rayearth
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I'm kinda of curious as to why shojo isekai dryed up in the 00's and switched over to just straight fantasy. Did the 80's and 90's stuff just burn out the audience so new series went straight fantasy or is there some other reason
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SatoshiMiwa posted:I'm kinda of curious as to why shojo isekai dryed up in the 00's and switched over to just straight fantasy. Did the 80's and 90's stuff just burn out the audience so new series went straight fantasy or is there some other reason Usually with stuff like that it's Burn Out. The writers of the popular books finish up their series or just cancel them once they get too long and they're no longer selling well. I don't have access to sales numbers from the 00's but like any entertainment industry it's cyclical, like how Mecha anime wax and wane and Slice of Life gets popular and then dies off when the gimmicks get stale.
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The Colonel posted:there's some stylistic and thematic differences between old isekai and modern. but also i dont think most of the people upset about it have actually watched dunbine or rayearth
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May 16, 2022 05:03
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The New Testament is an isekai because Jesus came to Earth from Heaven
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Does Metroid and Kingdom Hearts count as an Isekai since you go to other planets? If yes, then the Sci-Fi genre was also an Isekai series this whole time. If no, then Sonic and the Black Knight is an Isekai.
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no but the episode of crest of the stars where they crash land on the planet that's racist against space elves and lafiel has to dye her hair and hide her pointy ears, and spends most of the arc sitting in her hotel grumpily reading magazines, i'm willing to concede might be an isekai
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SatoshiMiwa posted:I'm kinda of curious as to why shojo isekai dryed up in the 00's and switched over to just straight fantasy. Did the 80's and 90's stuff just burn out the audience so new series went straight fantasy or is there some other reason Yu Watase is still doing spinoffs of Fushigi Yuugi. Very good ones I hear, but they never get anime adaptations. I guess that could be proof of what you're talking about.
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homeless snail posted:no but the episode of crest of the stars where they crash land on the planet that's racist against space elves and lafiel has to dye her hair and hide her pointy ears, and spends most of the arc sitting in her hotel grumpily reading magazines, i'm willing to concede might be an isekai The planet isn’t racist against the Abh. The United Empire of Mankind took over the planet and they were the racist ones who want to kill Abh, so she has to hide her hair so they don’t get found out from the military. Give the people native to that planet some credit because all of those people help Lafier and Jinto out.
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May 16, 2022 06:08
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at least you didn't dispute she grumpily read her magazines
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NikkolasKing posted:As somebody who watches barely any new anime, learning about isekai was so confusing because everybody talked about it like it was a new thing but it just sounded like Fushigi Yuugi or Inuyasah to me. “Isekai” makes me feel old and crotchety because it’s like one of the oldest modern genres of fiction even ignoring the GOAT A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court there’s stuff like The Time Machine and The Sleeper Wakes that are basically just that. It just seems like such a broad genre that it seems easier to just call them fantasy/comedy/slice of live.
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The 7th Guest posted:it was weirdly dismissive of yuri, saying most of it was either 'murder lesbians' or 'purity lesbians' (she kept pointing at and framing the editing around Bloom into You as a latter example as well?? and grouping it with stuff like girls bravo) and that most yuri anime is "seinen" and made by dudes (ignoring the original manga authors) so she's not interested in yuri in general. and then she spent the last 10 minutes complaining about how the writer of madoka magica said "probably" rather than "yes" to a question about madoka and hamura being in love, in an interview that was doubly translated from japanese to german to english i don't understand basically any of what you're talking about but framing anybody from Bloom Into You as a representation of 'purity' is pretty hilarious considering most of the cast is explicitly pretty seriously broken.
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also the main characters smash without being married at the end which is kind of complicated considering they're women but would probably be regarded as an impure action in probably any traditional religion or morality system you care to name, so i don't think im just lacking context on that part. i think.
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Pissekai.
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Last Celebration posted:“Isekai” makes me feel old and crotchety because it’s like one of the oldest modern genres of fiction even ignoring the GOAT A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court there’s stuff like The Time Machine and The Sleeper Wakes that are basically just that. It just seems like such a broad genre that it seems easier to just call them fantasy/comedy/slice of live. Most modern isekai is just "video game, BUT REAL" and loses a lot of the wonder and charm of stories that depend on actual characters and plot as opposed to creative ways to make number go up.
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isekai makes sense because 90% of the time its referring to a specific period style of novel, and the boom of anime based on them. im not sure people who like SAO or whatever are going around thinking that mushoku tensei invented the idea, so I've never understood the desire to point out how historical the concept is. its like going hearing someone talking about law and order as a police procedural and going "well listen, back in the 1880s," trends in fiction tend to have broad names while theyre still occuring, and once the boom is behind us, the culture tends to assign more specific names to them. 80s action movies are a distinct genre, but were just action movies in the 80s
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Generally when Isekai's/another world fantasies started really doesn't matter but if your trying to do any crit or look at the work ignoring the past undermines your point a lot even if the current modern boom really has little to do with past works
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Waffleman_ posted:Unlike other mecha anime, this one focuses on the humans This zombie movie focuses on the survivors and who is the real monster
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Varinn posted:isekai makes sense because 90% of the time its referring to a specific period style of novel, and the boom of anime based on them. im not sure people who like SAO or whatever are going around thinking that mushoku tensei invented the idea, so I've never understood the desire to point out how historical the concept is. I would argue that at this point even the "isekai' itself is vestigial, and it's just a modern genre of fantasy where the fantasy world resembles a video game for no particular reason. This is what makes it distinct from older isekai works where the protagonists being outsiders was actually very important to the plot or themes.
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Clarste posted:I would argue that at this point even the "isekai' itself is vestigial, and it's just a modern genre of fantasy where the fantasy world resembles a video game for no particular reason. This is what makes it distinct from older isekai works where the protagonists being outsiders was actually very important to the plot or themes. That can't be true because then it would exclude my favorite Isekai, Army of Darkness.
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The 7th Guest posted:it was weirdly dismissive of yuri, saying most of it was either 'murder lesbians' or 'purity lesbians' (she kept pointing at and framing the editing around Bloom into You as a latter example as well?? and grouping it with stuff like girls bravo) and that most yuri anime is "seinen" and made by dudes (ignoring the original manga authors) so she's not interested in yuri in general. and then she spent the last 10 minutes complaining about how the writer of madoka magica said "probably" rather than "yes" to a question about madoka and hamura being in love, in an interview that was doubly translated from japanese to german to english There's a fascinating history to all of this stuff but I think really engaging with it requires actively wrestling with subconscious attitudes about japan being socially "backwards" and that's pretty tough
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japan is backwards as gently caress but so is the entire first world and hell probably the entire planet really. meanwhile i am an enlightened god gamer. uphold the eightfold path of the Xbox dpad
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Sakurazuka posted:I can't believe an anime YouTube video was superficial and poorly researched I'm not surprised tbh.
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Finished rewatching all of the Urusei Yatsura movies. I'm now ready for the new anime to be decent but underwhelming. Yeah!!
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Larry Parrish posted:i am an enlightened god gamer i am not alone..
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Waffleman_ posted:Unlike other mecha anime, this one focuses on the humans Oh word?
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https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1526201993353736197?s=20&t=JV6sjrU0Q_hXmVM62PWQMw Oh right, this exists!
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It seems fine if you like Blade Runner. I think the movies are good, but I wouldn't particularly call myself a fan of the franchise, so it didn't really do much for me.
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Terry van Feleday posted:This kinda stuff is frustrating, I've noticed some folks lately making this unquestioned mental jump from "in a publication ostensibly marketed for men" to "by men for men totally blithe to queer interests" in a way that completely deletes women's agency in the field when in reality most approaches/patterns seinen publications use regarding queer themes can be directly traced back to women's yuri/doujin works. Kirara Carat has been all but taken over by yuri artists at this point. You can't really talk about queerness in madoka magica without talking about hidamari sketch and you can't talk about that without talking about Aoki Ume's roots in the doujin scene i once saw someone doing a youtube video about their dislike of vlad love compared to other yuri anime, that i generally agreed with in it not being a very interesting core relationship and them not really making a lot of funny jokes around the main two in particular, and then at the end it randomly segued into talking about class s and how class s casts a pall over all lesbian stuff in japanese art and media and makes us question if whether any of this is really gay. and one of their examples they showed in video footage while talking about it was. the lesbian azumanga daioh girl who is specifically famous for having a gag in the anniversary chapters where she gets pressed on whether she's gay and says "the correct term is lesbian. NOT THAT I'M A LESBIAN." and then goes on to explicitly, without any room for doubt whatsoever, say that she's romantically interested in sakaki. one of their other examples was citrus. at this point i'm convinced that doing youtube videos about niche stuff in anime casts some kind of mind curse that makes you incapable of discussing stuff on a more nuanced level with an actual understanding of what you're saying The Colonel fucked around with this message at 15:23 on May 16, 2022 |
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It feels like a lot of people keep internalizing the idea that Japan is entirely backwards when it comes to queer stuff and that gay people don't exist there, whether they think that's positive or negative.
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surf rock posted:Was the Blade Runner show any good? How do you feel about the third season of Ghost in the Shell SAC? Or how do you feel about Shini Aramaki CGI anime in general?
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surf rock posted:Was the Blade Runner show any good? Eh. There were some decent bits.
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Arc Hammer posted:How do you feel about the third season of Ghost in the Shell SAC? Or how do you feel about Shini Aramaki CGI anime in general? Haven't seen it yet! I got good advice last year about the Ghost in the Shell shows and which hones to watch/avoid, but haven't gotten to it yet. In general, though, I dislike the look of CGI anime.
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