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FlamingLiberal posted:You’re reading too much into this He's a person that openly donated to the GOP prior to 1/6 and openly courted Trump, and I suspect the GOP would love to have him on their side. Its just a hypothesis, no basis in reality other than his recent explosions.
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There is no way that Musk has ever voted democrat
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A lot of people in this thread are very angry about the political and electoral reality in this country and are venting their frustrations onto Democrats. I've said this so many times in my life because it's just so shocking: since I came to this country, Republicans have won the popular vote exactly once and exactly twice since I was loving born. If we had a proper electoral system in which conservatives don't get outsized influence, in which a 50/50 Senate has 10s of millions more votes for the Democrats, in which bullshit gerrymandering is legal, etc. etc. etc., we'd be planning on how to most effectively tax the rich to pay for M4A now instead of worrying about abortion rights. Contrary to the silly people glibly screaming "do something!" at the Democrats about the situation, there's not much to do except to vote and get as many loving Democrats elected as possible. Democrats are fighting an uphill battle by both being the only party that does anything for people but being unable to meet expectations (while Republican voters have no expectations), and fighting against a system that simply favors conservatism. So unless some of yous have a way of amending the Constitution and changing the minds of "Democrats are socialists and Bernie's a communist" voters in rural states, you're just screaming at the wind.
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haveblue posted:There is no way that Musk has ever voted democrat Musk is just tired of being held accountable for poo poo so he's decided to become a republican where it doesn't matter what the gently caress you do.
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Dietrich posted:Musk is just tired of being held accountable for poo poo so he's decided to become a republican where it doesn't matter what the gently caress you do.
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May 19, 2022 20:05
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Elon Musk has probably never actually voted at all, if we're being completely honest.
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May 19, 2022 20:06
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small butter posted:It probably would have been a 5-4 liberal Supreme Court and Clinton would have won reelection. It's also likely that she would have been running against Trump again. Remember that a lot of the pro-Covid and anti-masking bullshit came from Trump himself in order to pretend that everything was fine, which was amplified by Republicans. Republicans would have been up in arms over the death tolls, etc. and would have pointed out the "failures" of the Clinton administration by imposing Covid safety rules. Then 2020 comes and it's like... you want to entrust that guy with your safety? If you find it impossible to believe, it suggests you are deeply unfamiliar with US politics E: to add a little more substance to my post, credibility with who? With the base? Why would the base turn on them for doing something they want? TheIncredulousHulk fucked around with this message at 20:16 on May 19, 2022 |
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May 19, 2022 20:11
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Elon is foreign born, no dice there, though I guess nothing is stopping him from running anyway if he's just trying to spoiler. It didn't work with Kanye because Kanye is an even worse ally than he is an enemy, and I doubt it'll work with Musk if they try because his fanbase is almost entirely hustle grinding libertarians and Rogan weirdos, and more to the point if the Twitter thing falls through he'll probably be banned and respond by blowing up an orphanage or something
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May 19, 2022 20:14
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https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1527366646725169152 Not surprising, but the GOP held tours with rioters the day before and covered it up.
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May 19, 2022 20:17
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Looking like the tranquilizers wore off, the coke kicked in, someone was holding Madison’s phone on election night, or all three. https://twitter.com/themaxburns/status/1527366314507239425?s=21&t=Pig8S4WSDfTNSnP-xgbPKw
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May 19, 2022 20:21
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Zophar posted:Elon Musk has probably never actually voted at all, if we're being completely honest. This is the correct answer. Musk is a lazy apathetic prick with ADHD. There’s no way he’d care enough to stand in even the shortest line to vote for anything or fill out and mail an absentee ballot. This whole thing is an attention grabbing fad soon to be forgotten about and discarded, like going to live on Mars, his $500 mass market flamethrower, solving world hunger, his serial number son, and trying to buy Twitter.
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May 19, 2022 20:23
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Willa Rogers posted:Ok, so you would text those voters what you wrote? Part of the problem with our voter outreach is we assume a ton of basic civic knowledge the average person doesn't possess, if they ever did. Most people can't even name the three branches of government let alone know how to the Senate works or why just having a bare majority means 'your side' isn't guaranteed to be able to get anything done, and that its by design. People need to know WHY the minority is able to let this happen and if it can, why bother caring about who's in the majority? Why does it matter? You can't just tell them its important they need to know why. And just sub 'people like you' for working families. Feels more targeted and personal and has the bonus of always being correct if the person you're talking to is retired or a homemaker or what have you.
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May 19, 2022 20:25
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yep. I'm not telling you I know what precisely would happen. But you shouldn't blindly reassign three successful Supreme Court appointments from Trump to Hillary based purely on the 2016 election going differently. I'm trying to persuade voters to turn out, not write historical fiction to your satisfaction.
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May 19, 2022 20:27
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Oracle posted:You realize there are still three liberal justices on the Supreme Court that are a hell of a lot more likely to be gunned down by rightwing extremists, right. This isn't just about 'decorum' its about not wanting the first black female justice assassinated. Is there any evidence to suggest this was part of their calculus or is it just something you made up
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Epic High Five posted:Elon is foreign born, no dice there, though I guess nothing is stopping him from running anyway if he's just trying to spoiler. It didn't work with Kanye because Kanye is an even worse ally than he is an enemy, and I doubt it'll work with Musk if they try because his fanbase is almost entirely hustle grinding libertarians and Rogan weirdos, and more to the point if the Twitter thing falls through he'll probably be banned and respond by blowing up an orphanage or something Oh the starry-eyed techno-futurists who fervently believe in Great Man Theory are still quite fanboyish about him, too, though more recent events may have done some to tarnish that.
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May 19, 2022 20:30
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nine-gear crow posted:This whole thing is an attention grabbing fad soon to be forgotten about and discarded, like going to live on Mars, his $500 mass market flamethrower, solving world hunger, his serial number son, and trying to buy Twitter. Unfortunately for musk it’s not looking like he going to be allowed to forget about buying Twitter.
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May 19, 2022 20:41
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Trump voted Dem for years so I’m not sure that’s the best litmus test of anything.
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FizFashizzle posted:Looking like the tranquilizers wore off, the coke kicked in, someone was holding Madison’s phone on election night, or all three. gentile politics? lol surely he meant gentle e: unless he did mean gentile and now wants to do jewish politics like the globalist cabal he imagines to exist? 
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May 19, 2022 20:57
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CommieGIR posted:Okay, at this point: Prove they could have done something. Their excuses is the very system that we are expecting them to work in, which is a very valid excuse. Seen the bolded over and over again lately, and I actually want to know what you expect people to take away from that. If the game is explicitly set up now to prevent any progressive, or hell even nominally status quo preserving, action, why should I give any consideration towards the group of people who let it get to that point? I'm not even saying that in a "ugh succ dems!" manner, even if the Democratic Party legitimately got outplayed by the GOP, why should I engage with them? At this point all that's going to be left is localized direct action.
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Oracle posted:I'm trying to persuade voters to turn out, not write historical fiction to your satisfaction. Fair enough, but in that case, I might suggest that if you're not going to be constrained by the truth, you could probably come up with a more succinct line of bullshit.
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ReidRansom posted:gentile politics? lol I think he means genteel.
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Every day people just as valuable and worthwhile as three Supreme Court judges die because of inequities in our system. I am beyond caring what happens to the people in charge of this country. It’s not an argument that works on me, speaking of relying on Great Man theories of politics; if they were that important we’d know it by now. The liberal justices are placatory appointments with essentially no power to affect anything about how the nation is run unless their demented colleagues allow them to have it.
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Crain posted:Seen the bolded over and over again lately, and I actually want to know what you expect people to take away from that. The game is *not* explicitly set up to prevent any progressive action. The game *is* very stupid, and very hard, and requires literal lifetime dedication to win. That's our stupid system, I hate it. Want to reform it? Well your choices are either 1) dedicate your life to electing a new generation of reform-minded progressive millenials and zoomers who understand we need seismic systems change, engage in direct action, organizing, and build a mass movement of a hundred million Americans or 2) destroy the government in a violent revolution, fight a civil war, and rebuild it from scratch in the image you desire. It's a lifetime of hard work, either way you choose. There are no quick and easy answers, no one weird trick to getting everything you want and deserve. Lifetime. Dedication. e: and shitposting online counts for nothing. It's as helpful as a warm bucket of piss. Change requires going out into the world and building power with people.
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Crain posted:At this point all that's going to be left is localized direct action. That's fine, but this subject would be more on topic in the appropriate Your City Sucks thread.
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FizFashizzle posted:I think he means genteel. Oh yeah, probably that
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How are u posted:The game is *not* explicitly set up to prevent any progressive action. The game *is* very stupid, and very hard, and requires literal lifetime dedication to win. That's our stupid system, I hate it. Want to reform it? Well your choices are either 1) dedicate your life to electing a new generation of reform-minded progressive millenials and zoomers who understand we need seismic systems change, engage in direct action, organizing, and build a mass movement of a hundred million Americans or 2) destroy the government in a violent revolution, fight a civil war, and rebuild it from scratch in the image you desire. Yeah, it's all calvinball. No poo poo. The options for changing the system are death and violence or a lifetime of "civil service". Again, no poo poo. That's not really an answer to my question. And I'll ask you now too: What exactly do you expect me to do with that answer? Or how to you expect people to react to it? Cause all I can take from it right now is that it's just there to reinforce doomerism. Flying-PCP posted:That's fine, but this subject would be more on topic in the appropriate Your City Sucks thread. I'm not here to hash out direct action. I'm just really curious what this thread, or at least the "tastemakers" who seem to dominate it expect people to take away from that kind of messaging. Crain fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 19, 2022 |
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I cant really take anything Elon Musk says at face value and know he just absolutely loves to troll so even him saying stuff like he switches to being Republican blablabla just comes across as more trolling rather than explicitly true. The man doesn't seem to have any inherent beliefs and just seems like an all around terrible person though so he would be a good fit for the modern GOP all the same, but the way he followed up with a popcorn emoji says more childish antics than anything. I somehow cant see the guy swearing fealty to Donald Trump somehow because that would mean putting someone else ahead of himself and a possible limit on future memes and shitposting antics.
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Crain posted:Yeah, it's all calvinball. No poo poo. The options for changing the system are death and violence or a lifetime of "civil service". Again, no poo poo. Reality has a well-known doom bias. How people react to being confronted with a grim reality really is the question of our age.
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Crain posted:Yeah, it's all calvinball. No poo poo. The options for changing the system are death and violence or a lifetime of "civil service". Again, no poo poo. Sorry the answer sucks, what answer did you want? Sorry its not the one you want. I don't have answers to give you, because its a broken system that is slowly imploding, so expecting people who's job it is to work in the system to suddenly buck that system is unlikely.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Reality has a well-known doom bias. We're all doomed. Let's loving party while we can!
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Crain posted:Yeah, it's all calvinball. No poo poo. The options for changing the system are death and violence or a lifetime of "civil service". Again, no poo poo. The disconnect you're experiencing is that you're essentially dealing with a religion here more than you are a political philosophy
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How are u posted:The game is *not* explicitly set up to prevent any progressive action. unfortunately there's a founding father with a musical about him who wrote, at great length, explicitly to the contrary. the game was explicitly set up, by him and his allies, to prevent 'the great beast men call 'the people'" from ever wielding any influence in his glorious directorship, ruled by, for, and to a small number of mercantile interests in New York City this gambit- to make Washington king in all but name, and Hamilton the prince-in-waiting- was a miserable failure for a host of reasons, but all the baffles set up explicitly to prevent popular will from exerting any influence over national politics are still in place. From Jefferson to Jackson to Johnson to Truman, every time there's been a sea change in American politics, it has been decided that Hamilton's bulwarks against democracy are still too useful to be removed.
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Crain posted:And I'll ask you now too: What exactly do you expect me to do with that answer? Or how to you expect people to react to it? I would hope that you would find some progressive / youth / climate organizations and/or movements in the area in which you live and join them in working to make change. I'm sorry if it's not inspiring. If you're looking for somebody to tell you "utopia is just around the corner, all we need to do is X" then that won't be me. I do think we can win and reshape the world, but I don't think that is guaranteed or that it will be easy or that it will be quick. It could very well be something that's achieved after I'm dead. I've come to terms with that.
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CommieGIR posted:Sorry the answer sucks, what answer did you want? Sorry its not the one you want. Honestly I wasn't expecting an answer. I'm well past the point of thinking there will be anything more than the slow acceleration of decline. The reality of that juxtaposed with people offering nothing but "VOTE!" in the same breath of "How dare you accuse them of not trying! They could have never succeeded!" or people throwing "Well why don't you go be our new lord and savior of the country by getting into politics!" is just, well, crak-ping!. Not really sure what else to call it. Especially since 2020, but starting in 2016, it's really felt like mentally I can't even bother with sparing attention towards politics that doesn't directly involve how to care for me and mine. The gently caress do I care about some midterm or who got ratfucked how when I've had to spend hours of my time helping friends with babies find formula. How are u posted:I would hope that you would find some progressive / youth / climate organizations and/or movements in the area in which you live and join them in working to make change. yeah, I wasn't looking for reassurance. I'm well past that. Crain fucked around with this message at 21:41 on May 19, 2022 |
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Crain posted:Honestly I wasn't expecting an answer. I'm well past the point of thinking there will be anything more than the slow acceleration of decline. The reality of that juxtaposed with people offering nothing but "VOTE!" in the same breath of "How dare you accuse them of not trying! They could have never succeeded!" or people throwing "Well why don't you go be our new lord and savior of the country by getting into politics!" is just, well, crak-ping!. Not really sure what else to call it. Well, there's the other side of this: Some of this DOES matter: Biden has used the Defense Production Act to enable more baby food production, the Dems are passing stuff to get formula moving. The GOP has largely voted against it repeatedly, and they set this bear trap re: formula under Trump that we just happened to step in and they are personally vested in ensuring it gets worse. They would likely tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps had this happened under their watch. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 21:45 on May 19, 2022 |
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Crain posted:people offering nothing but "VOTE!" I am very explicitly and clearly offering more than that. "VOTE!", "just vote harder!", etc. Those are strawmen. You know that the solution is not "just vote more".
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How are u posted:I am very explicitly and clearly offering more than that. "VOTE!", "just vote harder!", etc. Those are strawmen. You know that the solution is not "just vote more". Not sure why you took that as personally targeted but ok. Yes, you have also talked about local direct action and community support groups. Which will be needed, though might end up being explicitly "extra-legal" depending on how far the GOP pushes. (That last bit isn't a dig at you. Just lamenting how bad things might get)
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 After a good deal of consideration, we've decided to ban the following users from USCE. How are u VitalSigns Mellow Seas Harold Fjord Threadbanned users can ask for reconsideration eventually, and may of course continue posting in the US Pol thread in CCCC.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:unfortunately there's a founding father with a musical about him who wrote, at great length, explicitly to the contrary. Yeah even Lin-Manuel is like "I'm writing a musical here but Hamilton had some extremely bad ideas about government"
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ReidRansom posted:gentile politics? lol Possibly or... https://twitter.com/saltybroad503/status/1527385449416642573
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