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Koos Group posted:
So going by history they can just post dozens of times for for a couple of versions of this thread unhindered, and then you'll unban them?
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May 19, 2022 21:56
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Jaxyon posted:So going by history they can just post dozens of times for for a couple of versions of this thread unhindered, and then you'll unban them? No, they can't post in this thread or other future iterations of USCE until their threadbans are reconsidered. If it seems as though a threadbanned user was posting here it's probably because their threadban was undone privately and there's no way to note such on someone's rap sheet, as may have been the case with PeterCat.
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May 19, 2022 21:58
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Koos Group posted:No, they can't post in this thread or other future iterations of USCE until their threadbans are reconsidered. If it seems as though a threadbanned user was posting here it's probably because their threadban was undone privately and there's no way to note such on someone's rap sheet, as may have been the case with PeterCat. Like, you realize that's just a bullshit way of doing things right? "Maybe we didn't enforce a threadban and maybe we just had a doulbe-secret unban that nobody knew about including the moderation staff, don't worry what it looks like!" Like, list threadbanned users in the 1st post and put a date on it and then review that after a set period of time. It's not loving rocket science
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May 19, 2022 22:01
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Mr Hootington posted:This will probably be as close to her saying a recession will be happening as she can get.
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May 19, 2022 22:04
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Jaxyon posted:Like, you realize that's just a bullshit way of doing things right? There are no secret threadbans. If someone is threadbanned it's announced in the thread or noted their sheet (though not in this case because it's a whole batch and it's based on their overall history rather than specific inciting posts). We also try to inform people that undoing of threadbans has occurred by posting in the thread when the user is reported for dodging it.
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May 19, 2022 22:04
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Koos Group posted:There are no secret threadbans. If someone is threadbanned it's announced in the thread or noted their sheet (though not in this case because it's a whole batch and it's based on their overall history rather than specific inciting posts). We also try to inform people that undoing of threadbans has occurred by posting in the thread when the user is reported for dodging it. So my question is why PeteCat was unbanned and still unbanned when they've clearly kept up their usual BS.
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May 19, 2022 22:07
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LionArcher posted:So my question is why PeteCat was unbanned and still unbanned when they've clearly kept up their usual BS. My impression is that his posting isn't particularly bad, and he's not in the top 30 posters so it would be difficult for his presence to make the thread significantly worse. I will however watch future reports of him to look for what you're referring to.
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nine-gear crow posted:This is the correct answer. Musk is a lazy apathetic prick with ADHD. There’s no way he’d care enough to stand in even the shortest line to vote for anything or fill out and mail an absentee ballot. So...probably Musk 2028 is what you're saying? Oracle posted:Part of the problem with our voter outreach is we assume a ton of basic civic knowledge the average person doesn't possess, if they ever did. Most people can't even name the three branches of government let alone know how to the Senate works or why just having a bare majority means 'your side' isn't guaranteed to be able to get anything done, and that its by design. People need to know WHY the minority is able to let this happen and if it can, why bother caring about who's in the majority? Why does it matter? You can't just tell them its important they need to know why. Yeah, I've always maintained this is why the GOP doesn't want to fund education and, in fact, outright attacks it. The last thing they loving want is an educated populace. They want salesman, laborers with HS diplomas, marketing strategists and all the Jesus freaks. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:17 on May 19, 2022 |
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May 19, 2022 22:15
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Oklahoma goes hog loving wild without bothering to wait for the non-draft decisionquote:The Oklahoma Legislature gave final approval on Thursday to a bill that prohibits nearly all abortions starting at fertilization, which would make it the nation’s strictest abortion law. And of course it's got the vigilante lawsuit mechanism.
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May 19, 2022 22:22
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Koos Group posted:My impression is that his posting isn't particularly bad, and he's not in the top 30 posters so it would be difficult for his presence to make the thread significantly worse. I will however watch future reports of him to look for what you're referring to. They were in the top 30 posters of this thread while they was banned and then somebody randomly remembered they were and then you randomly remembered they weren't. They had 95 posts in a thread they were banned in. If you're going to selectively moderate at least put the slightest amount of effort in to pretend you're not. And don't use threadbans as a punishment if you can't get your poo poo together about them or be transparent. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Thread bans just seem like a bad way of handling things. Especially if not enforced. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 19, 2022 |
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May 19, 2022 22:29
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Koos Group posted:
Thread bans just seem like a bad way of handling things.
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May 19, 2022 22:31
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How are u posted:The game is *not* explicitly set up to prevent any progressive action. The game *is* very stupid, and very hard, and requires literal lifetime dedication to win. That's our stupid system, I hate it. Want to reform it? Well your choices are either 1) dedicate your life to electing a new generation of reform-minded progressive millenials and zoomers who understand we need seismic systems change, engage in direct action, organizing, and build a mass movement of a hundred million Americans or 2) destroy the government in a violent revolution, fight a civil war, and rebuild it from scratch in the image you desire. The third option would be wait for the inevitable collapse and don't waste your life force to uphold the rule that lead us to this exact moment.
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May 19, 2022 22:33
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Jaxyon posted:They were in the top 30 posters of this thread while they was banned and then somebody randomly remembered they were and then you randomly remembered they weren't. Ah. I believe the probation in that thread was a miscommunication between GoutPatrol and I. He was referring to PeterCat's earlier threadban, not knowing it had been rescinded. Jaxyon posted:And don't use threadbans as a punishment if you can't get your poo poo together about them or be transparent. I'll certainly do my best to make them as transparent as possible.
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May 19, 2022 22:37
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haveblue posted:Oklahoma goes hog loving wild without bothering to wait for the non-draft decision Jesus Christ. I'm starting to feel like the do-nothing Democrats might be a preferable alternative to the do-something Republicans. Really loving how it never takes long before Republicans tear the mask off and remind everyone exactly who they are.
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May 19, 2022 22:38
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I know nothing will come of this and America seems to have made up it's mind, it's no biggie and several posters here found it funny but it's nice to see movement on it at least. I honestly think that 1/6 will go down as a real turning point in history, especially when the history books are all exclusively written by fascists CHUDS, but realize I'm in the minority. Anyways... https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/19/politics/barry-loudermilk-capitol-tour-january-6/index.html January 6 committee investigating Capitol tour given by GOP lawmaker on the eve of the insurrection quote:The House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection said Thursday it has evidence that GOP Rep. Barry Loudermilk led a tour of the US Capitol complex the day before pro-Trump rioters stormed the building, according to a letter requesting the Republican lawmaker’s voluntary cooperation with their ongoing probe. And every time I think about it, I wonder what that day and its aftermath might have looked like if BLM had done anything close.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Thread bans just seem like a bad way of handling things. I like the idea of mod challenges that force highly reported posters to only post in "I" statements for some prescribed amount of time. Ya know, really get in touch with those emotional states. Poster 1: "When I read what the politician man said I notice a feeling of anger come over me and it makes me want to vote/not vote." Poster 2: "When I read that you don't/do want to vote it makes me feel angry because, while what the politician man said also makes me feel angry, it makes me want to take the opposite action from you." And so on. This is fine too though. It's been a quiet meltdown may so something must be working here.
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Free Vitalsigns. It's been like two weeks since I've been probed so this seems pretty baseless. Not even the courtesy of a week off and a "Yer on thin ice" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 23:08 on May 19, 2022 |
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May 19, 2022 23:05
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Harold Fjord posted:Free Vitalsigns. It's based on long-term consideration of posting. And there aren't excessive warnings for threadbans because they can be rescinded more easily than other types of bans.
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May 19, 2022 23:09
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So this thread is about as functional as our current government. Sorry, it's just funny to read a thread made up of mostly pretty intelligent people ranting about how poo poo sucks and is hosed up, some of whom toss in some poo poo posts here and there, and we're arguing terms of censure like members of congress. Pretty apropos.
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It's more funny that the same poo poo that was an issue before and was supposed to be sent to cccc is back just as bad as ever and half the time current events aren't even talked about here, just endless ranting about how Dems suck Sidenote, I'd love to hear how the Oklahoma democratic party is supposed to stop that abortion bill, because it's loving Oklahoma and I sincerely doubt that the democratic.party has more then a token number of seats in a massive GOP supermajority of all parts of the government.
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https://twitter.com/sophiekleeman/status/1527414364688502812?s=20 I suppose this is what he meant that “political attacks” against him were incoming.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Sidenote, I'd love to hear how the Oklahoma democratic party is supposed to stop that abortion bill, because it's loving Oklahoma and I sincerely doubt that the democratic.party has more then a token number of seats in a massive GOP supermajority of all parts of the government. 7 democrats out of 101 state representatives 9 democrats out of 48 state senators Oklahoma is not fixable, focus on swing states and the federal level haveblue fucked around with this message at 23:34 on May 19, 2022 |
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UCS Hellmaker posted:It's more funny that the same poo poo that was an issue before and was supposed to be sent to cccc is back just as bad as ever and half the time current events aren't even talked about here, just endless ranting about how Dems suck Most of the current events are Dems doing conservative things or doing nothing as creeping fascism takes over our institutions... so yes, people are justifiably furious at them. I don't believe anyone has demanded that state minority party Dems do something about the abortion issue.
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haveblue posted:
Yeeeaahhh....about that last part. I uh...well, you know. We've flushed any hope at all of that down the toilet for the next decade and will be dealing with Trump and Bush judges for the rest of my lifetime. Also I corrected/embellished your post
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/sophiekleeman/status/1527414364688502812?s=20 I just don't believe at all that the incel cult hero was credibly accused of sexual assault.
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haveblue posted:Oklahoma is not fixable, focus on swing states and the federal level Pretty curious position to take considering Dems had a trifecta as recently as 2004 and controlled the executive as recently as 2010. But Oklahoma’s “not fixable.”  UCS Hellmaker posted:Sidenote, I'd love to hear how the Oklahoma democratic party is supposed to stop that abortion bill, because it's loving Oklahoma and I sincerely doubt that the democratic.party has more then a token number of seats in a massive GOP supermajority of all parts of the government. They could probably start by not being more of the same empty suit milquetoast centrists that infest the rest of the Democratic Party. Nobody wants to vote for them because they suck and offer nothing. Oklahoma had among the highest % of voters go for Debs in 1920. The culture in Oklahoma hasn’t changed that much in a century. Most of those socialists were also extremely religious. Sounds like the Dems have to actually offer poo poo people want to get elected.
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Koos Group posted:
It seems like the trick to fool the mods is to just not get mad and incessantly post in bad faith. If you accidentally believe in something and post poorly because you aren't a robot, that's what gets attention paid to you. Makes sense, thanks for clarifying
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Lemming posted:It seems like the trick to fool the mods is to just not get mad and incessantly post in bad faith. If you accidentally believe in something and post poorly because you aren't a robot, that's what gets attention paid to you. Makes sense, thanks for clarifying Toxic optimism is a bad thing and also bad faith, btw. Zophar posted:I just don't believe at all that the incel cult hero was credibly accused of sexual assault. "If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light," he wrote, calling the story a "politically motivated hit piece." Full on "if I did it" energy. The Sean fucked around with this message at 23:59 on May 19, 2022 |
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May 19, 2022 23:54
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Jaxyon posted:I'm sure also I barely eat beef and don't care. I haven't had beef since '86. I used to be ginormous.
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Oracle posted:You realize there are still three liberal justices on the Supreme Court that are a hell of a lot more likely to be gunned down by rightwing extremists, right. This isn't just about 'decorum' its about not wanting the first black female justice assassinated. I'm not against the security, more amazed that Democrats would oppose people protesting at the justices' residences.
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Koos Group posted:It's based on long-term consideration of posting. And there aren't excessive warnings for threadbans because they can be rescinded more easily than other types of bans. You get that it's a terrible look to do this and not provide a detailed explanation after several days of pretty visible non-moderation, and a longer period of highly inconsistent moderation?
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The Sean posted:Toxic optimism is a bad thing and also bad faith, btw. My point is the mods have pretty clearly wildly misidentified the people who should be threadbanned and have picked posters who sometimes make stupid posts in earnest instead of the people who only post to blatantly troll the thread
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TipTow posted:Pretty curious position to take considering Dems had a trifecta as recently as 2004 and controlled the executive as recently as 2010. How in the hell does 100 years ago equate to right now in modern 21st century politics edit: and reminder, that many of the southern states had democratic controlled legislatures, led by blue dogs or literal GOP members with a D next to them due to gerrymandering. It is not equal to actual arguments after the realignment that has occurred in the last 20 years UCS Hellmaker fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 20, 2022 |
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UCS Hellmaker posted:How in the hell does 100 years ago equate to right now in modern 21st century politics Considering our politics still revolves around the legacy of slavery and the failure of Reconstruction, I’d say a decent amount!
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TipTow posted:Considering our politics still revolves around the legacy of slavery and the failure of Reconstruction, I’d say a decent amount! In that case, we'd better start voting for radical Republicans, because I'm sure the meaning of that term hasn't changed in 100 years either
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haveblue posted:In that case, we'd better start voting for radical Republicans, because I'm sure the meaning of that term hasn't changed in 100 years either Are you implying our politics don’t revolve around race and the failure to adequately redress it? UCS Hellmaker posted:edit: and reminder, that many of the southern states had democratic controlled legislatures, led by blue dogs or literal GOP members with a D next to them due to gerrymandering. It is not equal to actual arguments after the realignment that has occurred in the last 20 years I am well aware of my own state’s party history wrt realignment, thanks. For all the blue dogs the true rightward lurch in OK policy didn’t happen until they were out of power.
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BiggerBoat posted:Yeeeaahhh....about that last part. I uh...well, you know. We've flushed any hope at all of that down the toilet for the next decade and will be dealing with Trump and Bush judges for the rest of my lifetime. Indiana, Florida, Iowa and Ohio all voted for a Democratic president a mere 14 years ago. West Virginia was reliably Democratic over most of my lifetime. This was the electoral outcome by state in 1976:  You're correct that you'll be dealing with Trump & Bush judges for the rest of your life, but it's not as if state party switches are a force of nature, happening organically, and not due to policy proposals & legislation. State pols are the ones who determine election law, so it's almost always worthwhile to at least try to take back a party town-by-town, county-by-county, state-by-state--not with people grown in political lab vats, but through personal connection with the voters, ideas that resonate with voters, and effective messaging with voters. That's why that lunk from Pennsylvania did so well the other day against the lab-vat candidate; between his win & some of the House results, the powers that be the DCCC would be well-served by paying as much attention to the zeitgeist as they're currently paying to donors & capital (but I repeat myself).
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As funny as it feels to be saying it, the solution to Bush and Trump era judges would be to vote more Democrats who are willing to change how our judicial system works and toss out throw judges. I wonder if enough exist but that's an actual direct clear line to something more Democrats could do.
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It's not just voting more Democrats; it's electing more Democrats, which is why the bizarre modern-day reductivism of politics into team sports & media/social media echo chambers strikes me as weirdly counterproductive from a political standpoint, especially for the long term.
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I will begrudgingly concede that the democrats are not in fact doing anything - they are doing the absolute bare minimum which, to their credit, is by definition "more than nothing." They (mostly) cast the votes their constituents and PAC donors send them to congress to cast, so they're at least fulfilling their basic duties as elected officials. I'll even give extra credit to Cori Bush and AOC for that one time they actually did do more than the bare minimum and rallied on the steps of the Capitol to get the eviction moratorium extended. But what are they doing the rest of the time? They're not out in the streets with protestors. They're not leading marches on government buildings. They're livestreaming a monologue on instagram while they cook dinner at best, or being entertained by the very capitalist monsters that have a chain around the neck of every American that depends on a regular income to meet their material needs at extravagant fundraisers if they're the crypt-keeping old guard. It took Tucker Carlson - Tucker loving Carlson attacking her over no-showing at the Amazon union rally to get AOC to show up - and if you're thinking "sure but what's Tucker's motivation in going after her about that" (to which the answer is equal parts for the views and because he's a terrible, racist, misogynist piece of poo poo) ask yourself what whatever outlet you plug yourself into has as motivation to give her a pass on not showing up of her own volition. Certain" experts" may disagree, but I think that if you're going to ask "why did X cover Z?" it's just as worthwhile to question "why didn't -X cover Z?" I'm sure there's some esoteric rule or standard or parliamentarian decree that congress critters aren't allowed to participate in direct action but you know what? I don't give a gently caress. Go ahead and have AOC arrested for protesting outside of ACB's home. You want a left wing martyr? Because that's how you get a left wing martyr and really energize a movement.
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