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Me playing bogass standard milsim shooter: "haha the russian soldiers would never stand next to explosive barrels like that IRL, have they no sense of self preservation?"
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I bet nobody had that on their bingo card. 
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May 20, 2022 17:56
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yah but they had it on their bango card
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May 20, 2022 17:57
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Holy poo poo, ammonium nitrate fortification sandbags! I thought I'd read the dumbest thing with the cardboard flak vest.
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May 20, 2022 18:09
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I know ammonium nitrate is everybody's favorite ingredient for HME, but will it really explode that easily on its own? Either way  just use dirt you stupid fucks
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May 20, 2022 18:11
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I'm told the explosive fertilizer sandbags are only dangerous if you spill fuel on them, so the Russians are fine since they ran out of gas.
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May 20, 2022 18:13
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bees everywhere posted:I know ammonium nitrate is everybody's favorite ingredient for HME, but will it really explode that easily on its own? Naw. It'll happily burn like a motherfucker, but it needs confinement and prolonged heat to decompose to the point of really exploding, ala the West, Texas fertilizer plant or Beirut. Arrath fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 20, 2022 |
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May 20, 2022 18:13
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I'm picturing the 'shooting a pistol at a tank' scene from Saving Private Ryan. Ukraine soldier fires at some sand bags then stands there confused for a bit when the entire fortification goes kerblooey.
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May 20, 2022 18:14
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cruft posted:Holy poo poo, ammonium nitrate fortification sandbags! I thought I'd read the dumbest thing with the cardboard flak vest. would you rather: wear bulletproof vest but use anfo bags or wear cardboard plates but use sandbags
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May 20, 2022 18:16
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Alan Smithee posted:Me playing bogass standard milsim shooter: "haha the russian soldiers would never stand next to explosive barrels like that IRL, have they no sense of self preservation?" Clearly the developers of Goldeneye 64 knew something the rest of us didn’t.
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May 20, 2022 18:24
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Barcley posted:I'm told the explosive fertilizer sandbags are only dangerous if you spill fuel on them, so the Russians are fine since they ran out of gas. Anfo still needs a confined space and typically something stupid hot to detonate. I remember watching bench shots in quarries using anfo, it's more annoying to ignite but vastly more effective than just stuffing dynamite in a hole. Also isn't poo poo like tannerite half AN and half something like extremely fine copper or rust filings? At this rate I look forward to seeing twitter posts about russian tannerite sandbags in like, a week.
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May 20, 2022 18:27
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Stable, properly stored AN is not super reactive. This is Ukrainian agricultural AN that some Russian conscript stole to make sandbags out of. It probably wont explode? But like… don’t go anywhere near it.
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May 20, 2022 18:33
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How do you have way more fertilizer than you have sand. It's sand, my understanding is it gets everywhere
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May 20, 2022 18:34
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Its already bagged.
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fartknocker posted:Clearly the developers of Goldeneye 64 knew something the rest of us didn’t. Artillery - 51.2% Small arms - 31.8% Slappers - 2.7%
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May 20, 2022 18:35
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bees everywhere posted:I know ammonium nitrate is everybody's favorite ingredient for HME, but will it really explode that easily on its own? No, it's very hard to ignite and won't explode unless it's confined. There isn't any actual explosion hazard, but it's a really weird thing to put in sandbags. It will burn pretty intensely if it does ignite, anyway. It's a pretty big regardless.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Anfo still needs a confined space and typically something stupid hot to detonate. I remember watching bench shots in quarries using anfo, it's more annoying to ignite but vastly more effective than just stuffing dynamite in a hole. I don't know for sure, but sounds right. Tannerite is can be used as a catalyst for ANFO det, I know from academics. The terrifying video of the Beirut AN explosion was seeing that solid wall of pressure slowly pushing forward. That does bad things to squishy yogurt gundams.
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Look, if dashcams, cell phone footage and CCTV coming out of Russia is any indicator, nothing they do is dangerous as long as they're sauced up the wazoo zoux posted:How do you have way more fertilizer than you have sand. It's sand, my understanding is it gets everywhere Russians need the high ground okay Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 18:38 on May 20, 2022 |
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May 20, 2022 18:36
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my kinda ape posted:Simply have a submarine torpedo the bridge. Would a sub even carry enough torpedoes to knock it down? Torpedoes vs reinforced concrete?
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May 20, 2022 18:58
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's fair but also unpredictable and it wouldn't require a lot of defenders to make offensive building to building war impracticable, because the Ukrainians have to actually avoid civilian casualties. They can't just shell everything into smithereens. Total collapse and retreat would certainly be the Ukrainian goal though. That's all fair and good but riddle me this: what reason does a Russian grunt have to fight the Stalingrad of his time? Offensive wars are all fun and games as long as you're winning. Then you need more compelling reasons to die for. The most pressing issue for Russia is that they don't have any other reason for this war beyond "because we can." It appears the Russians are attempting to quickly gain ground to hold so they can call for an armistice before all the lend-lease equipment is fully deployed. At this point nobody expects Russia to negotiate in good faith though, so it's unlikely a call for a timeout will be met with anything but a "gently caress you, eat lead." But you play the cards you have left in your hand.
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May 20, 2022 18:59
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Well, TIL about the ignitability of Ammonium Nitrate, time to go down to Tractor Supply so I can reinsulate the basement.
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May 20, 2022 19:00
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I assume the only thing worse than being a defender in a protracted urban siege is being a defender in a protracted urban siege where the local population actively wants you to dead and gone.
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May 20, 2022 19:01
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Blistex posted:Would a sub even carry enough torpedoes to knock it down? Torpedoes vs reinforced concrete? Non nuclear torpedoes probably not. A Japanese sub did launch a spread at the Golden Gate Bridge during WW2 but none of them exploded. IIRC one torpedo was found beached on a sand bar a few years later and the rest are still unaccounted for to this day.
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Alan Smithee posted:Russians need the high ground okay My fighting position would be made of bricks of hash.
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my kinda ape posted:Non nuclear torpedoes probably not. A Japanese sub did launch a spread at the Golden Gate Bridge during WW2 but none of them exploded. IIRC one torpedo was found beached on a sand bar a few years later and the rest are still unaccounted for to this day. They're still out there, fighting for the tenno
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:My fighting position would be made of bricks of hash. oh the fighting position is on fire again. drat
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aphid_licker posted:They're still out there, fighting for the tenno Like the Thresher, they remain on patrol.
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https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1527691142023847938 Russia's most elite heavy armored force may have lost 1/3 to 1/2 of its total strength in the fighting around Kharkiv.
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May 20, 2022 19:59
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:That's all fair and good but riddle me this: what reason does a Russian grunt have to fight the Stalingrad of his time? Yeah, I don't see a Russian withdrawal being some kind of "Death or glory! Hold the festung for the fatherland!" situation. First of all they just aren't going to have the supply for it and LOL at the idea of Russia ordering risky night helo ops for resupply ala Mariupol.
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my kinda ape posted:Non nuclear torpedoes probably not. A Japanese sub did launch a spread at the Golden Gate Bridge during WW2 but none of them exploded. IIRC one torpedo was found beached on a sand bar a few years later and the rest are still unaccounted for to this day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEA0dN3aTR0 Good video on this.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:That's all fair and good but riddle me this: what reason does a Russian grunt have to fight the Stalingrad of his time? per local propaganda, nazis then and nazis now!
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DurosKlav posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEA0dN3aTR0 look at those giant rear end concrete piers the bridge is standing on. What the gently caress are a bunch of torpedoes going to do to that?
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Three months ago when we were all bracing for this invasion I was expecting that six months later we'd be in a situation where NATO would be doing a peacekeeping mission in eastern Poland, assisting displaced Ukrainian military elements for a counter-attack to retake their homeland, and the Canadian Forces would be setting up a Tim Hortons at a barely improved airstrip to keep everyone somewhat happy with memories of home in a brutal warzone. That it would be the invasion of Afghanistan for my own slightly later generation, but with the lingering threat of nuclear escalation in Europe. Boy, I don't think I've ever been so happy to be so incredibly loving wrong about something.
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Kazinsal posted:Three months ago when we were all bracing for this invasion I was expecting that six months later we'd be in a situation where NATO would be doing a peacekeeping mission in eastern Poland, assisting displaced Ukrainian military elements for a counter-attack to retake their homeland, and the Canadian Forces would be setting up a Tim Hortons at a barely improved airstrip to keep everyone somewhat happy with memories of home in a brutal warzone. That it would be the invasion of Afghanistan for my own slightly later generation, but with the lingering threat of nuclear escalation in Europe. Yeah, I was expecting NATO to be distributing stingers, javelins, and advanced IED components to insurgent groups covertly through the border to slowly bleed Russia like we did in Afghanistan. This is better.
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still don't understand the motivation. Putins last blast? bust out the red flag again? makes no sense. 60 years of credibility as a superpower reduced to yakkety sax and ukraines pr clowning on you multiple times a day. even if you win you still lose.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, I was expecting NATO to be distributing stingers, javelins, and advanced IED components to insurgent groups covertly through the border to slowly bleed Russia like we did in Afghanistan. yeah, this is what i expected too
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sneakyfrog posted:still don't understand the motivation. Putins last blast? bust out the red flag again? makes no sense. 60 years of credibility as a superpower reduced to yakkety sax and ukraines pr clowning on you multiple times a day. sneakyfrog, and I say this as a fellow Floridian, when was the last time any of this made sense? The fascists, overall, are high as gently caress on their own supply. "That's the beauty of it. It doesn't do anything!"
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, I was expecting NATO to be distributing stingers, javelins, and advanced IED components to insurgent groups covertly through the border to slowly bleed Russia like we did in Afghanistan. Yeah i think this is what we all thought. Quick invasion followed by years of insurgency where we funneled intel and arms. This timeline still proves to be insane and surprising.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, I was expecting NATO to be distributing stingers, javelins, and advanced IED components to insurgent groups covertly through the border to slowly bleed Russia like we did in Afghanistan. This is so enormously better it's crazy. Even and especially PR wise. Even an anti NATO, anti war person (who isn't a lost cause tankie ofc) should clearly see the difference between arming random unvetted insurgent groups and arming the legitimate, elected government of Ukraine passing laws in their traditional halls of power. Stop arming Ukraine? We're just making it worse? That's not what their lawfully elected representatives told us. They should sign a peace deal? Take it up with them, the government of Ukraine will decide what they will or won't sign. I doubt there's much opinion polling going on in Ukraine but I have to imagine Zelensky's approval rating is pretty good.
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