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TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

i say swears online posted:

also a rare ep over two hours wooo
hoping for at least 20 minutes on the portuguese adoption of the AR-10

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Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

yes the problem with the American left and Marxist analysis is that it’s not accepting of small business owners and racists. A+ theorypost

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

yes the problem with the American left and Marxist analysis is that it’s not accepting of small business owners and racists. A+ theorypost

BIG TENT!

wait, they’re not joining? let’s move a little more right.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

my man

Mayman10
May 11, 2019


It's a nice painting

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

yes the problem with the American left and Marxist analysis is that it’s not accepting of small business owners and racists. A+ theorypost
https://twitter.com/xoayquanh/status/1525661861122691072

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Once you understand how Marx’s theory applies to the modern day you’ll see that capitalism is where rural working class auto dealership owners labor under the yoke of urban minority elites like gay blue haired schoolteachers.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
ugh, 5 minute digression on the garbage-rear end G3 rifle instead of the superior AR-10 used by the paratroopers

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
the g3 were so famous you even learned about them in school in some manner like "they sucked but our military ingenuity made them work"

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Honest Thief posted:

the g3 were so famous you even learned about them in school in some manner like "they sucked but our military ingenuity made them work"
in what country? they don't suck, but the AR-10 was way cooler at the time and weighed probably 50% less with all the space age materials. portugal was one of the only nations that fielded them in any real number when doing imperial war crimes in angola :shobon:

fidel even bought a few in '58 when Batista's order from Armalite showed up from Holland too late for the intended recipient.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

TenementFunster posted:

in what country?

Right here in ol' Portugal. My mem is fuzzy but the feeling was tied to a national idea of perseverance over few resources and funding

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Honest Thief posted:

Right here in ol' Portugal. My mem is fuzzy but the feeling was tied to a national idea of perseverance over few resources and funding
oh poo poo! wild. that is probably because the G3 is the Iberian Operation Paperclip of rifles. a lot of grateful german arms designers found themselves between jobs made a home in Franco’s Spain around 1946 and designed the G3’s predecessor until they all went back to West German after NATO allowed germans to have a domestic arms manufacturing industry again (fool me once).

Portugal, especially paratroopers in the early 60s in Angola, used the AR-10, which was manufactured in The Netherlands for Armalite. they were well loved for being lightweight, accurate, and low recoiling. then the Portuguese ended up in the newspapers for their “activities” in Angola, even the Dutch turned off the tap. I think Ian McCollum called it “international politics” lmfao. in conclusion, i hate the G3. you know your country is bad when even the Belgians won’t sell you a rifle to do war crimes in africa and you have to go to the dutch.

ps did portugal really not have indoor plumbing and paved roads in the late 90s?! i knew it isn’t/wasn’t a wealthy nation, but this interview made it sound GRIM.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

TenementFunster posted:

ps did portugal really not have indoor plumbing and paved roads in the late 90s?! i knew it isn’t/wasn’t a wealthy nation, but this interview made it sound GRIM.

my cousin, ~10 years my senior, went to military service at 18, this would be late 90s, some of his bunkmates where from deep portugal and didnt knew how to write nor how to operate a shower

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

portugal is the 'peaked in high school' guy

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Honest Thief posted:

my cousin, ~10 years my senior, went to military service at 18, this would be late 90s, some of his bunkmates where from deep portugal and didnt knew how to write nor how to operate a shower
i was gonna ask how there even a “deep” portugal when it’s the size of florida, then i realized

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

TenementFunster posted:

ps did portugal really not have indoor plumbing and paved roads in the late 90s?! i knew it isn’t/wasn’t a wealthy nation, but this interview made it sound GRIM.

That was true for parts of Basilicata region of Italy and some of the other southern regions too in the 90s.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

TenementFunster posted:

i was gonna ask how there even a “deep” portugal when it’s the size of florida, then i realized

also the north half of it is very mountainous

i say swears online posted:

portugal is the 'peaked in high school' guy

a whole reactionary movement is about it and the historical what ifs about keeping the colonies

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Didn't the Portuguese ruling class basically bail, with the colonial income, to Brazil and setup shop over there? Long interesting history but a weirdo euro rump state in the modern era.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_the_Portuguese_court_to_Brazil

yeah napoleon was gonna gently caress 'em up, but the royals kept somewhat direct control of the old country from brazil until after he was defeated. i think he was pretty unsuccessful in reorganizing the country compared to his efforts in countries closer to france

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

i say swears online posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_the_Portuguese_court_to_Brazil

yeah napoleon was gonna gently caress 'em up, but the royals kept somewhat direct control of the old country from brazil until after he was defeated. i think he was pretty unsuccessful in reorganizing the country compared to his efforts in countries closer to france

The King was a weakling and a dolt, but he did manage to delay Napoleon with diplomatic missives, claims of lost messages and such when ol' Bonaparte asked him to break Portugal's eternal alliance with England. By the time the French got tired and marched south, he was already sailing to Brazil after cleaning out the treasury.

British notes from the fleet who escorted them notice how the portuguese navy was obsolete and in terrible shape, and the nobles so ridden with lice that they had to shave everyone's heads along the way. The noble women wore improvised turbans when they arrived in Brazil, and the local moneyed class thought it was an european fashion style and quickly started wearing them too.

Later, he would do the same thing in reverse, scraping the brazilian treasury and running back to Portugal before the post-Napoleon reshuffle could eject him or make the place a republic.

So while D. Joao was a lazy and unremarkable ruler, he had the survival instincts of a cockroach.

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Honest Thief posted:

also the north half of it is very mountainous

a whole reactionary movement is about it and the historical what ifs about keeping the colonies

Please note that this movement is filled with failsons and grandfailsons of the past (and present!) Equivalent of landed gentry.and fascists.but i repeat myself.
Imagine finally kicking these people out in the carnation revolution and then letting them back in 15 years later. loving Portugal.

All this from marcelos caetanos memoirs that if only we had kept angola and mozambique, portugal would be the new switzerland.and that this state of affairs would in any way be possible well into the 21st century. All these people have brainworms and lead poisoning.unfortunatly they control 50% of the gdp. loving portugal, man.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Sephyr posted:

The King was a weakling and a dolt, but he did manage to delay Napoleon with diplomatic missives, claims of lost messages and such when ol' Bonaparte asked him to break Portugal's eternal alliance with England. By the time the French got tired and marched south, he was already sailing to Brazil after cleaning out the treasury.

British notes from the fleet who escorted them notice how the portuguese navy was obsolete and in terrible shape, and the nobles so ridden with lice that they had to shave everyone's heads along the way. The noble women wore improvised turbans when they arrived in Brazil, and the local moneyed class thought it was an european fashion style and quickly started wearing them too.

Later, he would do the same thing in reverse, scraping the brazilian treasury and running back to Portugal before the post-Napoleon reshuffle could eject him or make the place a republic.

So while D. Joao was a lazy and unremarkable ruler, he had the survival instincts of a cockroach.

if history was just he would have been beheaded but this kinda owns

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
https://twitter.com/Lefty_Jew/status/1528534669896994816

Antifa Poltergeist posted:

Please note that this movement is filled with failsons and grandfailsons of the past (and present!) Equivalent of landed gentry.and fascists.but i repeat myself.
Imagine finally kicking these people out in the carnation revolution and then letting them back in 15 years later. loving Portugal.

All this from marcelos caetanos memoirs that if only we had kept angola and mozambique, portugal would be the new switzerland.and that this state of affairs would in any way be possible well into the 21st century. All these people have brainworms and lead poisoning.unfortunatly they control 50% of the gdp. loving portugal, man.

somehow there's a signed copy for caetanos memoire on my parents bookshelves and no one knows where it came from, the small landowners cant escape their past

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

new ep up

edit dolan has a 3m x 2m commissioned "kurdish battlep painting" sitting in storage lol

i say swears online has issued a correction as of 04:59 on May 24, 2022

Masculine Thrust
Apr 23, 2022

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it's just fascism

Fascism is most likely going to come from the present day left, in alliance with the left-wing of capital, pushing austerity and social engineering via degrowth, which will require illiberal enforcement mechanisms.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Masculine Thrust posted:

Fascism is most likely going to come from the present day left, in alliance with the left-wing of capital, pushing austerity and social engineering via degrowth, which will require illiberal enforcement mechanisms.

drat dank theory bro

Masculine Thrust
Apr 23, 2022

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

there are 10x as many grocery workers than there are industrial workers these days. the service sector comprises the biggest chunk of the U.S. economy and the average salary is $22k/year and women outnumber men 2:1. retail + leisure and hospitality alone exceeds the entire goods-producing sector by more than 12 million workers.

and that's before you add logistics and warehouse workers. this sector is also disproportionately non-white and, if we include amazon warehouses in this, is seeing an increase in militant labor activity. and it's a sector that's suffering from a labor shortage. so that seems like the logical place to start to me.

you also must consider where your cadres are already working, and where people open to these ideas are. particularly young people.

you need to develop practical experience organizing with people. a twitter social mileau is simply not going to do it.

unless your plan is to take a bunch of leftists and order them to become small business owners. you see how that doesn't make any sense? trotskyists used to do this where they'd order all their members to uproot their lives, move across the country, and all go get factory jobs in a particular industry, and then the party central committee would change gears and order them all to move again and get a job in a different industry over and over again.

I'm not saying to become small business owners.

I'm saying ignoring the petit bourgeoisie when them, and people like them in the "middle class" broadly speaking, have played a significant role in revolutionary movements is silly, especially in the age of monopoly capital which is constantly ejecting these people out of their class position into lower ones, or otherwise proletarianizing them via usurious loans.

Also not saying anything about Twitter or whatever.

True retail makes up a big portion of the economy, but the industrial sector in America, as well as ports and trucking, are basically national security level risks if they became militant. This is also true for Amazon and Walmart distribution for the same reason.

Retail is decentralized, but the string of plants and ports for the oilfield, production/refining, and international shipping are not. Whoever organizes these, owns trucking, and owns agribusiness, owns the whole economy, because they meditate the rest of it.

No matter how you slice it, you need to win the dudes in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Dakota, California, West Virginia, who work these industries, and ones related ones.

20 guys on a rig are worth 200 retail workers, regardless of identity.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


i say swears online posted:

new ep up

edit dolan has a 3m x 2m commissioned "kurdish battlep painting" sitting in storage lol

it’s criminal they didn’t include a pic in the show notes

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Masculine Thrust posted:

Fascism is most likely going to come from the present day left, in alliance with the left-wing of capital, pushing austerity and social engineering via degrowth, which will require illiberal enforcement mechanisms.

Lmao

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
fascism degrowed my dick

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Masculine Thrust posted:

Fascism is most likely going to come from the present day left, in alliance with the left-wing of capital, pushing austerity and social engineering via degrowth, which will require illiberal enforcement mechanisms.

Source your quotes

No, really. What Stormfront thread did you lift this garbage from?

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Masculine Thrust posted:

Fascism is most likely going to come from the present day left, in alliance with the left-wing of capital, pushing austerity and social engineering via degrowth, which will require illiberal enforcement mechanisms.
:yeah:

Kaveman
Jul 25, 2009

NEVER!!!


Masculine Thrust posted:

Fascism is most likely going to come from the present day left, in alliance with the left-wing of capital, pushing austerity and social engineering via degrowth, which will require illiberal enforcement mechanisms.

It's actually going to come from the fascists already in power hth

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

pack it up you blue haired queer freaks, the real revolutionary vanguard is a jet ski dealer named Dale who worked on an oil rig once to prove he was a real man so his dad would let him in the will

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Quantity has a quality of its own? Pffft. Yeah right. What the revolution needs is oiled up beefcakes.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Masculine Thrust posted:

Fascism is most likely going to come from the present day left, in alliance with the left-wing of capital, pushing austerity and social engineering via degrowth, which will require illiberal enforcement mechanisms.

Degrow your posting

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

mind boggling over the phrase "the left-wing of capital"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Masculine Thrust posted:

Retail is decentralized, but the string of plants and ports for the oilfield, production/refining, and international shipping are not.
there's a dual character to both with obstacles to organizers and opportunities. i'm totally fine with using decentralized, asymmetric strategies

Masculine Thrust posted:

20 guys on a rig are worth 200 retail workers, regardless of identity.
there are 219,000 workers in oil and gas extraction in the U.S., so using your math, that's equivalent to 2.1 million retail workers

there are 15.7 million people employed in the retail industry in the U.S.

i'm not saying the former are not important, but i think another problem is that an aggressive organizing push right away in the sectors that are "basically national security level risks if they became militant" is going to face retaliation. without the increase in quantity, an increase in quality alone will produce defeat. the retail workers among other industries in this new service economy is like our "countryside" and the primary sector industries are the "cities."

:goatsecx:

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://t.me/asbmil/1588

ukrainian technicals

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animist
Aug 28, 2018
like the fiat with a rocket launcher

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