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SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Honestly, there haven't really been many games trying the shopkeeper experience. There are kind of community building games out there, but they use much different mechanics to do their thing.

And in general, the way that a lot of games these days are trying to reduce their cutscenes, scripting, and artifice in order to be more systems-driven means that a lot less games are even creating experiences that would be aesthetically similar what you're talking about with Recettear. Moonlighter is like playing Recettear on new game plus or after paying off your debt and all that's left is doing more dungeon exploration. Maybe you'd be more interested in something more like a visual novel, like Coffee Talk or VA-11 Hall-A? There's also a few more games that are about having a relatively dull (yet still engaging) day job that periodically scripted characters will show up at, but all the ones I know are edgy or dark like Papers Please, Not Tonight, or Beholder. Graveyard Keeper is kind of an edgy version of Stardew Valley without relationship systems. Maybe some incarnation of Rune Factory is still around? There's also some porn games that have that sort of simpler day job with intersecting scripted scenes, except those lead to fuckin'. Whether you'd be into or tolerate that.

If what you want is more like small-town community building, all I can think of is like the Hateno Village sidequest in BOTW or...I think Dragon Age Builders?

deep dish peat moss posted:

Nova Drift is an excellent roguelite Asteroids with a lot of weapon and build variety, and one of the weapons is a very fun swarm missile. Controls take a little getting used to (you aim with your mouse and can only move in the direction you're aiming) but it works in the game's favor, it would be a very different game with a different control scheme.

I don't know if any of the trailers show the swarm missile but it has many weapon types that end up feeling similar even if they're not missiles:
https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/256746274/movie480.webm?t=1553682807

e: You can see a little bit of missiles at around 10sec in this one

I guess along those lines, Luftrausers has a similar experience, but a lot simpler with less flashing colors, so that might be an easier way to ramp up to things. It's also on sale right now.

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Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR
Do you mean Dragon Quest Builders? Dragon Quest Builders 2 is a great building game but it's not a store game or at least I haven't gotten to that part if it's there :)

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

Mayveena posted:

Do you mean Dragon Quest Builders? Dragon Quest Builders 2 is a great building game but it's not a store game or at least I haven't gotten to that part if it's there :)

Yeah it isn't a store based, but it is 100% small community building

pun pundit
Nov 11, 2008

I feel the same way about the company bearing the same name.

Vadun posted:

What games have the best Itano Circus moments?

I've been playing a lot of Sky Force lately and desire a lot more missile spam. Doesn't need to be a vertical shooter necessarily, but I'm not sure how another genre would handle it.

Doesn't matter if its a consumable item like a traditional bomb, on a cooldown or some sort of boss-finishing execution move. I just want lots of missiles.

Starsector. Especially with mods. Go ask in the thread about current mods, it's been a bit since I played it last.

spaceblancmange
Apr 19, 2018

#essereFerrari

Is Forager any good? Looking for something Stardewey

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

spaceblancmange posted:

Is Forager any good? Looking for something Stardewey

It's fun, but doesn't have a lot of a actual content; you'll burn through it all pretty quick and there isn't really any replay value.

There's a new game called Little Witch in the Woods that is being called Stardew but Potions, maybe check that out.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Vadun posted:

What games have the best Itano Circus moments?

I've been playing a lot of Sky Force lately and desire a lot more missile spam. Doesn't need to be a vertical shooter necessarily, but I'm not sure how another genre would handle it.

Doesn't matter if its a consumable item like a traditional bomb, on a cooldown or some sort of boss-finishing execution move. I just want lots of missiles.
Travel back in time ~13 years and play SotS 1 Hivers

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


I miss playing HOMM 3, graphics don't matter to me but I have a weirdly high level of intolerance for bad UI/UX. Are there some obvious best-in-breed HOMMlikes I should be looking at? (I know Songs of Conquest and Hero's Hour have gotten rad reviews, but both games are recent and in EA, so I don't trust 'em.)

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Omi no Kami posted:

I miss playing HOMM 3, graphics don't matter to me but I have a weirdly high level of intolerance for bad UI/UX. Are there some obvious best-in-breed HOMMlikes I should be looking at? (I know Songs of Conquest and Hero's Hour have gotten rad reviews, but both games are recent and in EA, so I don't trust 'em.)
What makes something HOMM 3 to you that nixes HOMM 4 and 5? Can't find a way to phrase that that doesn't sound accusatory but I'm genuinely just asking for calibration reasons.

Also how about HOMM 3: https://www.gog.com/game/heroes_of_might_and_magic_3_complete_edition

Omi no Kami
Feb 19, 2014


Splicer posted:

What makes something HOMM 3 to you that nixes HOMM 4 and 5? Can't find a way to phrase that that doesn't sound accusatory but I'm genuinely just asking for calibration reasons.

Also how about HOMM 3: https://www.gog.com/game/heroes_of_might_and_magic_3_complete_edition

Yeah for sure- the guilty answer is mainly "I never played 4 or 5". I had a ton of fun with 3 when it came out, but when 4 and 5 hit I had a lot less free time and the reviews I found all went "Ehh, it's alright but I'd just stick with 3," so I never felt particularly motivated to try the later stuff.

If it's helpful, what really clicked in HOMM 3 for me were the parts that feel like what I imagine a single-player MOBA would be like: you've got an economy you can't neglect, but you've also gotta grind up your big tough hero guys, but if you focus on heroes to the exclusion of developing your army, a few tough dudes will easily get zerged down by a strong army even if it has inferior generals. That stuff is awesome, and the mechanical clockwork of balancing all of these priorities like a hero version of a 4x is great.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Omi no Kami posted:

Yeah for sure- the guilty answer is mainly "I never played 4 or 5". I had a ton of fun with 3 when it came out, but when 4 and 5 hit I had a lot less free time and the reviews I found all went "Ehh, it's alright but I'd just stick with 3," so I never felt particularly motivated to try the later stuff.

If it's helpful, what really clicked in HOMM 3 for me were the parts that feel like what I imagine a single-player MOBA would be like: you've got an economy you can't neglect, but you've also gotta grind up your big tough hero guys, but if you focus on heroes to the exclusion of developing your army, a few tough dudes will easily get zerged down by a strong army even if it has inferior generals. That stuff is awesome, and the mechanical clockwork of balancing all of these priorities like a hero version of a 4x is great.
They're a bit more 4Xey but the Age of Wonders series is on sale right now! You can get it on steam or direct from paradox.

e: https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/367/Age_of_Wonders_Franchise/ a steal at 30 bux. I'd genuinely even start with AoW II and play the campaign (and then shadow magic).

e: If fantasy is not important Planetfall is the best mechanically though. Heroes are a bit less, uh, immortal.

Splicer fucked around with this message at 11:49 on May 22, 2022

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

HoMM 5 is a pretty good follow-up. Been a long time since I touched 4 but from what I recall, it was kinda unfinished. It had a lovely development cycle because the studio was going bankrupt.

I don't think its possible to capture the lightning in a bottle that was 3 though. There's an HD mod that updates it for modern displays, Horn of the Gods has some good campaigns and In the Wake of the Gods adds a lot of new content and mechanics. You can also get the Heroes Chronicles on GOG that are 7 standalone campaigns 3DO made for heroes 3. They are pretty good and have an overarching plot.

E: and yeah like folks said, the Age of Wonders/Planetfall games are all really good and use many of the same mechanics. Still all about the movement economy, preserving/upgrading your army and finding a good synergy between units and heroes. The combat is extremely good, but plays more X-Com. Probably the best combat system I've seen in any 4x... BUT its also very time consuming. You may find yourself relying on the autobattle option much more than in Heroes 3.

Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 11:55 on May 22, 2022

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.

Omi no Kami posted:

If it's helpful, what really clicked in HOMM 3 for me were the parts that feel like what I imagine a single-player MOBA would be like: you've got an economy you can't neglect, but you've also gotta grind up your big tough hero guys, but if you focus on heroes to the exclusion of developing your army, a few tough dudes will easily get zerged down by a strong army even if it has inferior generals. That stuff is awesome, and the mechanical clockwork of balancing all of these priorities like a hero version of a 4x is great.

Age of Wonders 3 and Planetfall.

- Economy you can’t neglect, but still simpler than major 4X like civilization.
- Heroes are mighty with multiple viable builds and loadouts that synergize with their armies, but never become so powerful they obsolete the armies they lead.
- Extremely robust combat with tactics that really matter and an AI that is very good at exploiting your mistakes to kill overextended units.
- Massive replayability with big differences in turn-to-turn feel and decisions due to the decisions you made in picking your starting race and leader.

spaceblancmange
Apr 19, 2018

#essereFerrari

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

It's fun, but doesn't have a lot of a actual content; you'll burn through it all pretty quick and there isn't really any replay value.

There's a new game called Little Witch in the Woods that is being called Stardew but Potions, maybe check that out.

Thanks, what else is out there that might scratch that itch? I tried My Time at Portia and it didn't do a lot for me. Terraria has been on my to play list for years.

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012


spaceblancmange posted:

Thanks, what else is out there that might scratch that itch? I tried My Time at Portia and it didn't do a lot for me. Terraria has been on my to play list for years.

What do you like about SV?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

spaceblancmange posted:

Thanks, what else is out there that might scratch that itch? I tried My Time at Portia and it didn't do a lot for me. Terraria has been on my to play list for years.

If you have a bit of time, you may be interested in skimming the YouTube channel LadyShelab that plays through pretty much every Stardew / Portiaesque game that gets released. There's a bunch.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

spaceblancmange posted:

Thanks, what else is out there that might scratch that itch? I tried My Time at Portia and it didn't do a lot for me. Terraria has been on my to play list for years.

Dragon Quest Builders 2, maybe

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


Any new good co-op games on gamepass?

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

poisonpill posted:

Any new good co-op games on gamepass?

Aliens Fireteam Elite is fuckin hilarious fun co op.

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



Mayveena posted:

Do you mean Dragon Quest Builders? Dragon Quest Builders 2 is a great building game but it's not a store game or at least I haven't gotten to that part if it's there :)

There is an item shop component to Builders 2. It's at first part of the second area on your main island, the pyramid. It is entirely optional after completing the one.

Vadun
Mar 9, 2011

I'm hungrier than a green snake in a sugar cane field.

Thanks for all the Missile Spam suggestions. Most of those went on my wishlist, and i'll have to put more time into Nova Drift

It's the boyfriends birthday today, and he says he'd like to play something "Like Heroes of Hammerwatch, but without the Roguelike elements". I can think of Gauntlet and the original Hammerwatch, but what else am I missing?

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Has there been any good racing game in the last 5, maybe 10 years, that plays similarly to either NFS Most Wanted or Burnout Paradise?

chainchompz
Jul 15, 2021

bark bark

Jack Trades posted:

Has there been any good racing game in the last 5, maybe 10 years, that plays similarly to either NFS Most Wanted or Burnout Paradise?

Racing games aren't my cup of tea but if you're on PC there's a racing game themed sale on steam right now. At the very least you can see what's out and if you like anything snag it while it's on sale.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

chainchompz posted:

Racing games aren't my cup of tea but if you're on PC there's a racing game themed sale on steam right now. At the very least you can see what's out and if you like anything snag it while it's on sale.

Yeah, That's why I was asking.
Apparently Need for Speed has turned to poo poo like every other EA properly, as far as I've heard, and Burnout is dead, so I was wondering if there are any actual good arcadey racing games out there, because I don't really follow that genre, I just liked going fast and smashing other cars in Most Wanted and Burnout.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME
Having never played it, I think The Crew 2 captured that Burnout: Paradise feeling for some?

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Jack Trades posted:

Yeah, That's why I was asking.
Apparently Need for Speed has turned to poo poo like every other EA properly, as far as I've heard, and Burnout is dead, so I was wondering if there are any actual good arcadey racing games out there, because I don't really follow that genre, I just liked going fast and smashing other cars in Most Wanted and Burnout.

NFS Heat rules, Payback was the only stumble, the modern NFS games are terribly underrated

Funktor
May 17, 2009

Burnin' down the disco floor...
Fear the wrath of the mighty FUNKTOR!
Came here to ask the same thing. Are there any racers in the Steam sale that hit that sweet arcadey Burnout feel?

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Deltasquid posted:

Having never played it, I think The Crew 2 captured that Burnout: Paradise feeling for some?

I tried playing The Crew 2 trial that they have available but the game keeps kicking me back to the menu with "an error has occurred" after 30 seconds of gameplay, and there are literally zero solutions to this problem online.

Bought NFS Heat instead, and it seems alright. No crashing your opponents though, unfortunately.

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009

Just a funny av. Not a redtext or an own ok.
I also played The Crew 2 trial, and while it did work, it has an extreme case of the Ubisoft disease. Busy lovely UI, million different menus, DLC ads, pointless story cutscenes, and of course the lovely ubi launcher.

The driving itself is fine I guess.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Looking for recommendations for co-op games, preferably farming, FPS, or survival.

For anyone else looking for something similar, here's a list of what we've tried and enjoyed. I'm happy to go into more detail about a few of these by request.

Played and loved:
Stardew Valley
Halo
Don't Starve Together
Overcooked 1 & 2
Haven (Warning, lots of sex and relationship chat, you each play one of a pair of lovers)
Vermintide 1 & 2

Played and Enjoyed:
Factorio
Core Keeper
Valheim
Gunfire Reborn
Garden Paws
Gears of War
Alien Swarm: Reactive Drop
Terraria (more metroidvania than survival, but we enjoyed it)
Diablo 2 & 3
Torchlight 2
Victor Vran

Meh:
Satisfactory (too grindy - you have to duplicate solved problems over and over again with power and there's no shortcut)
Orcs Must Die series
Sanctum 1 & 2

Didn't like:
EDF (not sure why)
7 days to die (spawns you too far apart so we lost interest before getting over the initial learning hump)
Left For Dead series (wave shooters are fine, we've tried several games in this series and never enjoyed them, not sure why)
Deep Rock Galactic

LLSix fucked around with this message at 02:15 on May 27, 2022

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

LLSix posted:

Looking for recommendations for co-op games, preferably farming, FPS, or survival.

Deep Rock Galactic

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

LLSix posted:

Looking for recommendations for co-op games, preferably farming, FPS, or survival.

For anyone else looking for something similar, here's a list of what we've tried and enjoyed. I'm happy to go into more detail about a few of these by request.

Played and loved:
Stardew Valley
Halo
Don't Starve Together
Overcooked 1 & 2
Haven (Warning, lots of sex and relationship chat, you each play one of a pair of lovers)
Vermintide 1 & 2

Played and Enjoyed:
Factorio
Core Keeper
Valheim
Gunfire Reborn
Garden Paws
Gears of War
Alien Swarm: Reactive Drop
Terraria (more metroidvania than survival, but we enjoyed it)
Diablo 2 & 3
Torchlight 2
Victor Vran

Meh:
Satisfactory (too grindy - you have to duplicate solved problems over and over again with power and there's no shortcut)
Orcs Must Die series
Sanctum 1 & 2

Didn't like:
EDF (not sure why)
7 days to die (spawns you too far apart so we lost interest before getting over the initial learning hump)
Left For Dead series (wave shooters are fine, we've tried several games in this series and never enjoyed them, not sure why)

Aliens Fireteam Elite is great co op. Vermintide/L4D style FPS.

New game V Rising is super popular right now. Survival like Don't Starve and Valheim, but with top down Diablo camera, and you're vampires.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

LLSix posted:

Looking for recommendations for co-op games, preferably farming, FPS, or survival.

Didn't like:
7 days to die (spawns you too far apart so we lost interest before getting over the initial learning hump)

This is my brother's and my favorite game for co-op. I wouldn't normally tell someone to just try a game again because I like it, but your problem here is pretty easy to solve by using admin commands to teleport together. Here's a quick and easy to follow guide on how to do that: https://commands.gg/7dtd/blog/teleport. Up to you of course, but I personally think it would be worth giving it another go with the teleport.

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
I agree, 7D2D is such a great co-op game.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

LLSix posted:

Looking for recommendations for co-op games, preferably farming, FPS, or survival.

It's kinda similar to L4D2 as a wave shooter, and I have not played in like five years, but I loved Payday 2 to absolute pieces. I might still be playing it today, except I can't really do the FPS's anymore.

It is on sale right now (and fairly often) and is DLC supported so there is a lot of content, some good, some bad.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

LLSix posted:

Looking for recommendations for co-op games, preferably farming, FPS, or survival.

Conan Exiles is an option. It does contain slavery though which can be a dealbreaker. I would recommend changing the time it takes to break thralls if you're playing on your own server though, the times are balanced for the online PVP quasi-MMO mode it feels like.

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

Magnetic North posted:

It's kinda similar to L4D2 as a wave shooter, and I have not played in like five years, but I loved Payday 2 to absolute pieces. I might still be playing it today, except I can't really do the FPS's anymore.

It is on sale right now (and fairly often) and is DLC supported so there is a lot of content, some good, some bad.

It also has a free VR DLC that is very good, considering the game wasn't originally designed for VR.

Rollersnake
May 9, 2005

Please, please don't let me end up in a threesome with the lunch lady and a gay pirate. That would hit a little too close to home.
Unlockable Ben
What's a good car game for PC (or perhaps PS3) that would be accessible and fun for a kid who's still learning how to use a controller? Something nonviolent that lets you leisurely drive off-road would be ideal. Bonus points if it has actual car models, since he's a bit of a nerd about that. I've never been into driving games outside of MarioKart, F-Zero, and GTA, so I honestly have no idea.

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



Rollersnake posted:

What's a good car game for PC (or perhaps PS3) that would be accessible and fun for a kid who's still learning how to use a controller? Something nonviolent that lets you leisurely drive off-road would be ideal. Bonus points if it has actual car models, since he's a bit of a nerd about that. I've never been into driving games outside of MarioKart, F-Zero, and GTA, so I honestly have no idea.

Learning how to use a controller + driving is a big ask. A Trackmania game may be your best bet. There are a LOT of user-created levels in different styles. You would have to do some curation.

I like to suggest Flower for people that aren't familiar with controllers.

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ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Funktor posted:

Came here to ask the same thing. Are there any racers in the Steam sale that hit that sweet arcadey Burnout feel?

For a modern Burnout-style game I think Wreckfest is your least bad option? Personally I tried both that and Burnout Paradise but ultimately settled on playing Burnout Takedown in emulation. :argh: You can't just remove crash junctions from Burnout Paradise and expect us not to notice!

tildes posted:

I guess moonlighter, as mentioned, is probably the closest. I wasn’t a huuuge fan but it’s definitely hewing close to the formula. My impression is some Atelier games might but be in this vein but I haven’t played them.

I've played a bunch of Atelier games (although not any of the really recent ones), so I can burble about this some. I'd never really thought of the Atelier series as cousins to Recettear, but there are actually some strong parallels!

First of all, let's set aside the Atelier Iris trilogy, since those are straight-up JRPGs, just with a more robust crafting system than usual.

Apart from those, Atelier games are generally minor variations on the following three activities, all of which you'll constantly cycle between:

- pick some party members and go exploring
- - collect ingredients
- - fight monsters
- - may trigger events with your party members (or, sometimes, other potential party members and/or non-playable NPCs who are also out in the wilderness)

- wander around town
- - chat with people
- - visit stores to buy ingredients, recipe books, etc and sell stuff you've created
- - pick up new jobs from the job board

- work in the atelier
- - Alchemy!
- - Townsfolk and party members will stop by from time to time to chat with you
- - Some of them may have specific requests for you they don't want to put on the job board

There's also, like Recettear, an overarching time limit which is consumed by most of these activities, but it tends to be very generous for normal play (as opposed to aiming for secret endings/challenge achievements/etc).

The actual dungeon crawling bits are completely different from Recettear (hand-crafted zones, pre-placed encounters with turn-based party combat), but outside the dungeon there is a heavy emphasis on staying current with happenings in town and spending lots of time in the atelier crafting things and chatting with whoever shows up. Unlike Recettear there's no "shop management" layer, though -- you aren't decorating your workshop to attract customers or setting out items for people to buy off the rack, you're just doing alchemy and occasionally someone from town will knock on the door to say hi and/or ask for you to make something for them.

Mzbundifund posted:

Age of Wonders 3 and Planetfall.

- Economy you can’t neglect, but still simpler than major 4X like civilization.
- Heroes are mighty with multiple viable builds and loadouts that synergize with their armies, but never become so powerful they obsolete the armies they lead.
- Extremely robust combat with tactics that really matter and an AI that is very good at exploiting your mistakes to kill overextended units.
- Massive replayability with big differences in turn-to-turn feel and decisions due to the decisions you made in picking your starting race and leader.

I should play Planetfall one of these days.

Although I confess that one of the things I liked about AoW Shadow Magic, that 3 backed off on, is being able to just absolutely loving wreck the game by building supercombatant heroes that can single-handedly throw down with an entire nation.

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