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PIZZA.BAT posted:So let's say eliminating the filibuster is off the table. Ok. Fine. The original reason that was ditched so that normal business could be conducted even when some senator or other had a snit about a particular bill. It's not totally useless these days, but the proportion of bills that get blocked is obviously paralyzingly high.
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It was worth it for this photo https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1529538867853926401?s=21&t=qWwe8LaYpnRPFfmeRT0K2g
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PIZZA.BAT posted:So let's say eliminating the filibuster is off the table. Ok. Fine. Schumer tried. Manchin blocked it.
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May 25, 2022 23:45
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marshmonkey posted:It was worth it for this photo https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1529538867853926401?s=21&t=qWwe8LaYpnRPFfmeRT0K2g double-wide blue line
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flight , fight or freeze instincts are deeply coded instincts and for high stress things you need a lot of practice and drilling so your high level thinking mind gets "bored" / okay with the stress and then is okay with off loading some stuff to your lower level subconscious so it can then use some mental bandwith for other things. this takes a ton of time and training and us cops are very poorly trained. this is why safety/OSHA egineers have to make their stuff like next level foolproof because a panicing group of people is very very dumb. Also high stress stuff also includes zero risk things such as try harding at games/sports or even just just doing highskilled things/hobbies.
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LionArcher posted:Why is this probed? This poster has a good point. Gun owners who don't like being called on the fact that they have a weird fetish try to gatekeep rules about guns by acting if you don't know what gun was used in WW2 you can't be apart of making the rules. Yet another garbage argument. Same. The poster they were responding to was doing some bit about "it doesn't mean 'assault rifle'" which is 1) bad faith 2) doesn't add to the discussion 3) is meaningless in this conversation and 4) "unoriginal" "already talked about" and other similar reasons related to probes I've seen that only list originality-adjacency. This bullshit "doesn't mean assault rifle" is an old as gently caress nra/fox/oann talking point. The probed post was rhetorically stating that gun fetish trivia was not relevant to the overall discussion. The Sean fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 26, 2022 |
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marshmonkey posted:It was worth it for this photo https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1529538867853926401?s=21&t=qWwe8LaYpnRPFfmeRT0K2g In an alternate universe that picture is in history books one day when they teach about gun reform.
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For those who were asking how to talk to their kids about this, here's some primers from the National Child Traumatic Stress Network.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:In an alternate universe that picture is in history books one day when they teach about gun reform. the rightist intelligentsia that try "debate me you coward" energy but never manage to not look like a twerp are staring in dismay at this stunt
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GreyjoyBastard posted:The original reason that was ditched so that normal business could be conducted even when some senator or other had a snit about a particular bill. It's not totally useless these days, but the proportion of bills that get blocked is obviously paralyzingly high. Oh no, we wouldn't want the Senate to be paralyzed and incapable of performing normal business.
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May 26, 2022 00:26
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Even in a war it can be hard to get soldiers to fire directly at people on the other side who are firing at them. There were studies on this after WWII. Maybe, although the guy who pushes this idea hardest is Dave Grossman, who is a crank who teaches cops to murder people.
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Silver2195 posted:Maybe, although the guy who pushes this idea hardest is Dave Grossman, who is a crank who teaches cops to murder people. Well one of the ways to get them to is dehumanizing whoever you’ve want them to shoot at and yes Grossman is absolutely a horrifying monster.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Even in a war it can be hard to get soldiers to fire directly at people on the other side who are firing at them. There were studies on this after WWII. Those studies have an enormous asterisk beside them due to dodgy methodology and conclusions not really supported by their findings. If I recall, the nugget of truth in it is closer to "in modern warfare, most soldiers never end up with individual enemies in their rifle sights."
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marshmonkey posted:It was worth it for this photo https://twitter.com/keithedwards/status/1529538867853926401?s=21&t=qWwe8LaYpnRPFfmeRT0K2g Condemned for making it a political agenda. What the gently caress else are we supposed to do? No one is doing anything.
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Killer robot posted:If I recall, the nugget of truth in it is closer to "in modern warfare, most soldiers never end up with individual enemies in their rifle sights." It’s behavioral though because it can be greatly reduced by training. The big example I remember is that a good chunk of the shots rather than being at enemy soldiers are over the heads of them. unfortunately the book that talks about it is packed.
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FishBulbia posted:I honestly think at this point there is nothing to be said but assume americans actually approve and support such shootings. They do. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It is inconceivably stupid that the current talking points are "the transes did it," "the transes made god do it," and "there are too many doors in public school buildings." I look at this sort of thing and I'm incapable of seeing it as sincere because it's just so completely wrong by every metric I understand. But I work with conservatives who, apparently, actually really do believe that these things are true and that addressing them would fix the problems society has. I don't think that Ted Cruz has a sincere bone in his meat sack, but I know that there are a very large number of adults with jobs and children who believe that if the school had but one door, and that door had armed guards, this would solve the problem of school shootings. Because none of them have ever heard of the shirtwaist factory or understand why any kind of regulations exist at all, even. I would like to believe that there are ways of reaching an accord and moving forward, but these same people, when shown a workplace problem that caused deaths, and was resolved by policy changes, and understands the policy changes are what stopped the deaths would still say the policies are not necessary because these things don't happen any more. How can you have legislation of any kind when a sizable chunk of the country would apparently immediately decide that whatever legislation you just passed was onerous and unnecessary the moment the problem it fixed was fixed? To say nothing of the half that think the problem is good, actually. It's just. Ugh.  e2a: I guess to do ... something with this bullshit nonsense -- the thing I'm trying and failing to describe in any kind of eloquent way is what I think leadership lacks on the left. If Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens can effect public opinion on issues by being whatever the gently caress kind of sideshow they are, surely it would be possible for someone to firmly and directly say "people should not have guns" and have that message gain approval just by having someone say it repeatedly without qualifying it. That's not an insane thing to think, right? Ershalim fucked around with this message at 02:50 on May 26, 2022 |
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Silver2195 posted:Maybe, although the guy who pushes this idea hardest is Dave Grossman, who is a crank who teaches cops to murder people. I feel that any mention of this idiot is incomplete without also noting that he was a co-author of a military scifi series where the main character literally fucks a tank. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 03:34 on May 26, 2022 |
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eviltastic posted:I feel that any mention of this idiot is incomplete without also noting that he was a co-author of a military scifi series where the main character literally fucks a tank. Stopped clock is right twice a day etc etc
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Ershalim posted:e2a: I guess to do ... something with this bullshit nonsense -- the thing I'm trying and failing to describe in any kind of eloquent way is what I think leadership lacks on the left. If Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens can effect public opinion on issues by being whatever the gently caress kind of sideshow they are, surely it would be possible for someone to firmly and directly say "people should not have guns" and have that message gain approval just by having someone say it repeatedly without qualifying it. That's not an insane thing to think, right? Anyone that does so will fairly quickly be coopted, corrupted, or assassinated on behalf of capital.
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CmdrRiker posted:Condemned for making it a political agenda. What the gently caress else are we supposed to do? No one is doing anything. Beto listed a bunch of actions the governor could take right loving now to help. A lot of stuff that is considered untenable through federal legislation is possible at the state and local level, and in Texas the governor has a lot of power. Abbott has used his power effectively to do as much harm to his state as he can.
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A big flaming stink posted:did they specify whether or not he had ballistic plates within the plate carrier? He was technically "wearing" body armor if he has just the plate carrier on, it just does absolutely nothing bans or severe restrictions on hand-guns is how you reduce most gun crime. bans or severe restrictions on semi-automatic rifles is how you reduce mass shootings.
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https://twitter.com/PabloReports/status/1529631169834360832 Jesus christ.
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CmdrRiker posted:Condemned for making it a political agenda. What the gently caress else are we supposed to do? No one is doing anything. If you want something done you're going to have to do it yourself, for example: https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683 quote:UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team. Really sounding like the cops just sat around waiting for him to run out of ammo blowing holes in 8 year olds .
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FishBulbia posted:I honestly think at this point there is nothing to be said but assume americans actually approve and support such shootings. Republicans do. Otherwise they wouldn't actively block and obstruct any attempts at change It's one thing to ignore it and do nothing. It's another thing entirely to deliberately ensure the problem cannot be addressed. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 04:54 on May 26, 2022 |
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Manchin is the more damaging of the two but god I loving hate her more and I already hate Manchin a lot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kalli posted:If you want something done you're going to have to do it yourself, for example: Jesus loving Christ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kalli posted:If you want something done you're going to have to do it yourself, for example: Fact Check, Not True!! they were also supposedly getting their own kids out of classes while hoping the guy would either run out of ammo or off himself
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Nicholas Kristof has a fairly detailed, cited opinion piece in the NYT on gun control policy: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/06/opinion/how-to-reduce-shootings.html  The claim that the police were getting their own kids out of classrooms appears to originate in a new york post article that may paraphrasing a quote in a manner designed to invite misinterpretation. quote:Police officers rushed into the school to get their own children out of the school, he added.
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Discendo Vox posted:Headsup, there's a really big recall of Jif peanut butter and related products due to possible salmonella infection. This recall has since exploded in scale; since they haven't nailed down the source yet and peanut butter from the factory is used in many other products (fudge, candy, ice cream, etc, especially lunch "snack packs"), it's expanded massively to other products. I recommend folks check the general FDA recalls page.
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Discendo Vox posted:Nicholas Kristof has a fairly detailed, cited opinion piece in the NYT on gun control policy: Yeah not sure why folks need to go down that route when there are already numerous articles and eye witness reports that the cops stood still and let a dude freely murder children. Isn’t that bad enough as it is?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Onion finally found a way to take their infamous mass shooting article to the next level. Thank you TheOnion. 
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Interesting precedent that you can literally open fire on American cops and they won't even try to return fire until they have backup and think you're low on ammo.
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Kalli posted:Really sounding like the cops just sat around waiting for him to run out of ammo blowing holes in 8 year olds . Whoa now, that's not true. They took immediate, decisive action to aggressively restrain parents who were trying to get in and rescue their dying children. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 06:54 on May 26, 2022 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Retributive justice isn’t the only type of justice. Sure, it isn't. But you cannot simply look at what is happening and say that it is just. Actually even if it is complex and as nuanced as you are saying it is, a claim I disagree with because it appears based on the idea that justice is being worked towards at all, it can still be obvious who possesses guilt. There is also the fact that power needs using in this instance.
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In my (contracting)line of work, I am often in public schools. On the day of the shooting, I was in a small town elementary school. That day another local elementary school had a gas leak or something, I forget what, and the children there had been brought to the school I was in for the day, so the place was buzzing. I love kids, always have. They’re just so adorable and friendly, always so interested in who I am and what I’m doing, I can’t help but laugh at how they jump and play and run up to me and wave and and yell “HI” over and over and have to be dragged away by their teachers explaining to them that I’m working and busy. When the news broke, it hit me that the children who died that day could have been just like any of the children I had interacted with the same day. They probably had that same adorable energy, and hell, it’s barely even a metaphor. The same exact children I had seen that day could one day die in a mass shooting right here, and it wouldn’t even be shocking anymore. I held it in as best I could and cried on the drive home. It’s no longer that we’ve turned our backs on the children on this country. When this happens, and we do nothing, and it happens again, and we still do nothing, as I suspect….and will happen again, in the future, inevitably. It’s as though in so many ways, we hold the children of this country by the shoulders, look them straight in the eyes, and say “I don’t care about you. Whether you live or die makes no difference to me.” I feel a bit cringe writing all of this. I just really need to vent somewhere.
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Arizona elected a vacuous remedial child trapped in an adult's body to be one of their United States Senators. A woman who is literally distracted by cookies and juice boxes and shiny objects. Someone tell Chuck Schumer to jingle some keys in front of her face and see if that can trick her into voting to abolish the filibuster.
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nine-gear crow posted:Arizona elected a vacuous remedial child trapped in an adult's body to be one of their United States Senators. A woman who is literally distracted by cookies and juice boxes and shiny objects. Hi Arizonan here and multiple Sinema voter through her Congress and Senate runs. All I can say is right up until she was elected to the Senate she seemed like a Republicans worst nightmare. She would call herself a "Prada Socialist" a decade ago and the Republicans would run the most hilarious attack ads about it which to my mind just made her a more attractive candidate. Then she got elected to the Senate and I don't know what the gently caress happened but she hoodwinked the hell out of us. I don't know if she's getting bankrolled by the Republicans now but it sure seems like it.
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Charliegrs posted:Hi Arizonan here and multiple Sinema voter through her Congress and Senate runs. All I can say is right up until she was elected to the Senate she seemed like a Republicans worst nightmare. She would call herself a "Prada Socialist" a decade ago and the Republicans would run the most hilarious attack ads about it which to my mind just made her a more attractive candidate. I pray people like her and AOC are just bad people because the alternative is that the system is that powerful.
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