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Brown dwarves are basically massive gas planets that fail to ignite into stars, right? For a second, I got my space phenomena mixed up and was like, "uhhh Pike why are you going into the surface of a STAR?"
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hiddenriverninja posted:Brown dwarves are basically massive gas planets that fail to ignite into stars, right? For a second, I got my space phenomena mixed up and was like, "uhhh Pike why are you going into the surface of a STAR?" Yes. They're called brown dwarfs because they're made of gas and generate a LOT of internal heat from the collapse caused by their own gravity, but they don't collapse enough to start fusion. They're often hot enough to be spotted by infrared telescopes from light-years away.
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May 27, 2022 18:05
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hiddenriverninja posted:Brown dwarves are basically massive gas planets that fail to ignite into stars, right? For a second, I got my space phenomena mixed up and was like, "uhhh Pike why are you going into the surface of a STAR?" Yep. That was the one astronomy thing in the show that was correct.
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May 27, 2022 18:19
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Not hot enough to fuse hydrogen, they still fuse 2H and Li. But also it's kind of a fuzzy boundary between what is a really really hot brown dwarf and what is a really really cool star. They are also at minimum 10x Jupiter masses so if you ever hear someone say "You know Jupiter is just a failed star" they are wrong.
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May 27, 2022 18:20
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Like most things the human imposed categories are imperfect. But the show saying "brown dwarf is basically a really big gas giant" is more or less correct.
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May 27, 2022 18:22
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Grand Fromage posted:Like most things the human imposed categories are imperfect. But the show saying "brown dwarf is basically a really big gas giant" is more or less correct. Oh for sure, but the guy above asked a more precise question. For Star Trek it's the equivalent of a master's thesis. e: also I'm not an astronomer or anything, just a guy who's watched a bunch of youtube astronomy documentaries, of which there are many excellent ones. zoux fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 27, 2022 |
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May 27, 2022 18:34
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I enjoyed the part where they were super deep in it and it was still gas. I often think about the science advisor in TV shows. I've talked to one once and asked what the deal was and was told that his job was essentially to get a script, make a bunch of corrections and suggestions, then watch the producers throw all the notes into the trash and try not to be sad. It's a nice paying side gig but if you're the type who enjoys being appreciated and respected it is a dire path.
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May 27, 2022 18:44
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skasion posted:Tbf, Star Trek does predate the discovery of actual black holes. You can actually see this kind of pop-science understanding on foot in “The Galileo Seven”, where Kirk and the Enterprise are investigating a “quasar-like formation” in a context which shows that neither Kirk nor the writers understood what a quasar was—nor could they have, since contemporary physicists didn’t yet have a firm explanation of them either. One of the episodes they encounter a "black star" that is essentially a black hole before it had an official name and it catapults them through time
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May 27, 2022 18:47
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The transport tube was cool, it seemed to me to be a very 60's / TOS / Enterprise level solution for evacuating a ship. Though they should have had a regulation not to use it in a potential battle zone.. But I also bet that StarFleet rarely comes across aliens as bloodthirsty and ruthless as the Gorn, hopefully they'll stay a threat and we'll just know that they soften up by the time of Lower Decks..
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May 27, 2022 18:54
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Binary Badger posted:The transport tube was cool, it seemed to me to be a very 60's / TOS / Enterprise level solution for evacuating a ship. They had the tubes in TNG when they were in space dock too.
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May 27, 2022 18:58
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I think there was a space tube in disco too
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May 27, 2022 19:01
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The Ferengi's tubes were prehensile
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Grand Fromage posted:I enjoyed the part where they were super deep in it and it was still gas. Sounds like script writing in general to be honest. Practically everything gets rewritten five or six times completely from pitch to shooting.
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May 27, 2022 19:18
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Binary Badger posted:The transport tube was cool, it seemed to me to be a very 60's / TOS / Enterprise level solution for evacuating a ship. They did have a throwaway explanation; the refugee ship's hull was too thick for transporters because it was designed to carry dangerous radioactive stuff. I forget if they said this or just implied it but the Gorn probably let the civilians take that specific ship so that Enterprise would have to be vulnerable to rescue them.
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Probably Magic posted:Sounds like script writing in general to be honest. Practically everything gets rewritten five or six times completely from pitch to shooting. Hell, it’s not uncommon to have rewrites in post.
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The Bloop posted:Honestly the primary issue with Voyager is that it squanders and even ignores its own premise so terribly I'd kill for a Strange New Worlds style remake where it stays a little closer to the premise. But not bleak like Battlestar.
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I think you’d please no one with a Voyager remake. People that love it seem to like the fact that it’s just sort of a goofy show. Tonally, it’s a mess and most of the cast is wasted. If they remade it, it would absolutely just be bleak like BSG given how most of nu-Trek has turned out.
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Nullsmack posted:I'd kill for a Strange New Worlds style remake where it stays a little closer to the premise. Issue there is that requires writers who can maintain a serialized story arc across multiple seasons, which some argue BSG didn't even do well (what was the Cylons' Plan again?) and NuTrek has shown they are very not good at doing even 1 serialized season. One day maybe, but I'd want to wait about a decade for the writers/producers to change up. I suppose 1 thing that works is that by then, in the inevitable "Bring Kate back in" episode she'll be the real older Admiral "F off Temporal Prime Directive" Janeway we saw in Endgame. In fact I would suggest the show start off with her trying to stop the ship from leaving, and thus they get trapped in the Delta Quadrant anyways under completely different circumstances. But I'll say it'd be better to just make an entirely new show. We've had hard and soft reboots as well as 3 prequels series, 1 was cancelled and another had to turn itself into a sequel series cause they screwed up the writing so bad. Trek should really keep moving forward, Strange New Worlds so far has worked but we're already seeing continuity issues cause it's basically impossible not to.
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It’s crazy how TV production schedules work for streaming now. In a recent interview, someone said they were filming episode 7 of season 2 already. Must be pretty nerve wracking for everyone involved to not have any public feedback on your show until you’re over midway done with your second season. On the flip-side, they were still writing Disco’s first season when it started airing - thanks to the messy production.
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They should just go to a relatively unexplored era. We've covered TOS, they clearly don't really want to touch the fallout of the Dominion war since Prodigy is set far enough away to disregard it and Lower Decks just jokingly references it, the destruction of Romulus is stupid and just ties their hands even further. The period between TOS and TNG would be interesting, or maybe just doing what TNG did and going like 100 years out from the destruction of Romulus and showing us a galaxy with a new status quo and building from there.
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Orthanc6 posted:Issue there is that requires writers who can maintain a serialized story arc across multiple seasons, which some argue BSG didn't even do well (what was the Cylons' Plan again?) and NuTrek has shown they are very not good at doing even 1 serialized season. Voyager didn't need a serialized story arc, it just needed some actual lasting consequences from episode to episode.
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holefoods posted:They should just go to a relatively unexplored era. We've covered TOS, they clearly don't really want to touch the fallout of the Dominion war since Prodigy is set far enough away to disregard it and Lower Decks just jokingly references it, the destruction of Romulus is stupid and just ties their hands even further. The period between TOS and TNG would be interesting, or maybe just doing what TNG did and going like 100 years out from the destruction of Romulus and showing us a galaxy with a new status quo and building from there. I just want them to make a post-Dominion war series involving a ship and a crew in the alpha quadrant.
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holefoods posted:They should just go to a relatively unexplored era. We've covered TOS, they clearly don't really want to touch the fallout of the Dominion war since Prodigy is set far enough away to disregard it and Lower Decks just jokingly references it, the destruction of Romulus is stupid and just ties their hands even further. The period between TOS and TNG would be interesting, or maybe just doing what TNG did and going like 100 years out from the destruction of Romulus and showing us a galaxy with a new status quo and building from there. Going out another generation is the best idea. There will still be fallout from Romulus popping and the Dominion war but it's easy to craft new narratives after 100 years of history marching forward. With Data being extra dead I think Tuvok would be the only character of note who might still be alive by then. And not to belittle Tim Russ, but I don't think fans will mind too much if they don't bother to keep track of Tuvok. zoux posted:I just want them to make a post-Dominion war series involving a ship and a crew in the alpha quadrant. Which we technically have with Lower Decks, but I understand the desire for a more grounded live-action series. Picard didn't happen, like more so than Star Trek 5 I am backspacing it from my mind. Where's Kurtwood Smith when you need him.
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HD DAD posted:It’s crazy how TV production schedules work for streaming now. In a recent interview, someone said they were filming episode 7 of season 2 already. They need to schedule a lot tighter now that The Volume is becoming such a big deal for genre shoots. It doesn't hurt that this was the first nuTrek series fans specifically demanded, so they knew they had a hit coming as long as they didn't gently caress it up. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 20:44 on May 27, 2022 |
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The greatest sin of the Gorn Whispering moment is not how appallingly stupid it is (and it is stupid) but that it's irrelevant to the plot. None of that poo poo matters because faking their death with the black hole is how they escape. The Gorn just leave. Spock and La'an have plenty to do on the ship. The script just needed a rewrite.
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Arglebargle III posted:The greatest sin of the Gorn Whispering moment is not how appallingly stupid it is (and it is stupid) but that it's irrelevant to the plot. None of that poo poo matters because faking their death with the black hole is how they escape. The Gorn just leave. They use that knowledge to destroy one of the 2 ships still hunting them. We get it, you don't like it.
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That is completely irrelevant. It would mean a slight change to the VFX shot of the Gorn leaving and nothing else.
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Arglebargle III posted:That is completely irrelevant. It would mean a slight change to the VFX shot of the Gorn leaving and nothing else. It halved their chances of being caught by their final ruse.
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The Gorn must have jumped and pilfered some other StarFleet ships for them to know exactly when and where to hit Enterprise so that they had no phasers, one torpedo, and no access to replicators.. I get the feeling that by the the time TOS rolls around, Cestus III is going to be when they decide to get serious and go after another colony and coincidentally another Fed Heavy Cruiser. It may be that by the time of TOS, Fed shields have improved to the point where they're a match for Gorn disruputors, so that Kirk's shields can soak them up most of the day, and that surprises them so much that in their haste to run away they run smack dab into the Metrons tl;dr because Pikes ship was so easy to mess up, it made the Gorn overconfident so much that by Kirks time they go after what looks like the same ship and they put up a real fight this time
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I wonder how the Enterprise would fare in a "fair fight" with one of those Gorn ships. It seems like they rely on weakening their enemy before they strike, so they may not be that strong in a pitched battle. https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisDoohan/status/1530021981600354304 Some rando thinks this is a pretty good show zoux fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 27, 2022 |
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Dysgenesis posted:The worst episodes of trek are the ones that are the most mediocre and forgettable like the loss or melora. You know, I watched Masks in basically a bubble, not knowing the opinion on it, and was genuinely surprised at how much people seemed to hate it. Masks is so much fun! It's just Brent Spiner loving around!
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Masks may legitimately by in my TNG top 10. It’s an extremely off-the-wall TOS premise, which I’m sure is why lots of people bounce off of it, but I love it to pieces. Masaka is waiting…
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Interesting tidbits from looking up the cast Ethan Peck is the Grandson of Gregory Peck, who I now realize he sounds exactly like. Not a bad person to sound like. Christina Chong (La'an) is thirty eight years old Melissa Navia (Ortegas) is straight. I for sure thought they were queer coding her (and maybe they are) but didn't they highlight this show having a bunch of LGBT characters? I thought I remember something about a non-binary castmember
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You may be thinking of Discovery, which has several LGBTQ+ cast members
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pik_d posted:The f-bomb is eternal though, or I hope it is at least. "Challenge accepted" is a dumb meme from a few years ago. Imagine if Chappel called something "cringe" or if Pike said "woot woot" after Uhura commed back that they were alive. It's also a regular thing to say when someone challenges you. I have no problem imagining them using "cringe" or "woot woot," if we're playing that game, they should constantly be saying weird idioms and turns of phrase that mean nothing to us. Just write the character likes normal people, nobody needs some faux formal future dialect and attitude going on, it's not a real future, it's 2022 but with special effects.
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If they cast Melissa Navia as Khan's descendant they could have had a ball having her accidentally spouting Khans dialogue
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zoux posted:Interesting tidbits from looking up the cast One of the characters on Discovery is NB. They look basically identical to Ortegas and have the same cocksure attitude, but I guess Ortegas's punk rock hair style is just an extension of her punk rock personality then. Sometimes a haircut is just a haircut. That's cool about Ethan Peck though. I can see the resemblance now. Binary Badger posted:If they cast Melissa Navia as Khan's descendant they could have had a ball having her accidentally spouting Khans dialogue That better come with the set direction of "Just channel Montalbán."
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