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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Lol if they saw the school shooter and joined in

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Zotix
Aug 14, 2011




I was referring to the smearing of the teacher, but it's being more widely reported now and I'm seeing articles corroborating it.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Just a bit of a reminder that it was initially reported that the shooter was using a handgun...
https://twitter.com/elpasotimes/status/1529230402874814467?s=20&t=iCW3GFSiHEdwbYz4d6NzVg

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Being a MAGA acolyte is not always enough to guarantee a win.

https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1531790728204107779?s=20&t=pD2RkqKle5XKkfVxPv5nzw

quote:

Northern Virginia voters have elected a progressive slate of candidates to a community center board after a controversy over a drag queen story hour.

The normally low-key elections Saturday for three slots on the McLean Community Center Board attracted attention after complaints that the center co-sponsored a “Drag StoryBook Hour,” in which drag queens read books about gender fluidity to young children at a local library.

Among those defeated in the election was Katharine Gorka, a former Trump administration official and wife of Trump loyalist Sebastian Gorka. She cited her opposition to the story hour as a top issue for her at a candidate forum earlier this month.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
The Dragoness of Budapest fails.

also havent drag story times been a thing for long time?

literally the only news regressive new hit pieces I heard about it are this and when either gently caress face Chowder or Welsh talked about being banned from a library when he opened his fuckface mouth.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Zophar posted:

The cops definitely killed some of those kids themselves.

Wouldn't the autopsy reveal if the fatal shots came from a different gun?

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

BiggerBoat posted:

Wouldn't the autopsy reveal if the fatal shots came from a different gun?

I think so. Especially if the cops were using handguns firing something like 9mm rounds I'm sure expert analysis can determine the difference in wounds between them and the 5.56 rounds the assailant was firing.

It wouldnt surprise me at all if the cops accidently shot some of those kids. It was probably a really chaotic situation and I'm sure both sides were probably firing wildly.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Which autopsy, the first one or the second one paid for by the parents?

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Edit: ^Bingo.

BiggerBoat posted:

Wouldn't the autopsy reveal if the fatal shots came from a different gun?

In Uvalde, the Coroner is also the Justice of the Peace, and works directly with the Sheriffs department. These are positions that are elected by a commission, typically without medical training. So it will be up to him to determine causes of deaths, and do the paperwork certifying who died and in what matter.

Here is an article from NPR talking with him.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/31/1102097583/a-uvalde-coroner-is-haunted-by-identifying-the-bodies-of-children-and-an-old-fri

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

papa horny michael posted:

Edit: ^Bingo.

In Uvalde, the Coroner is also the Justice of the Peace, and works directly with the Sheriffs department. These are positions that are elected by a commission, typically without medical training. So it will be up to him to determine causes of deaths, and do the paperwork certifying who died and in what matter.

Here is an article from NPR talking with him.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/31/1102097583/a-uvalde-coroner-is-haunted-by-identifying-the-bodies-of-children-and-an-old-fri

That sounds like a massive conflict of interest...

Kalit
Nov 6, 2006

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.
Hey mods, can you please clamp down on the conspiracy theory of cops shooting children? This thread seems to be spinning it up based on evidence such as....the cops being cowards?

E: I would report a post, but I don't know what to report it as. Also, holy gently caress, there's so many posters jumping on this bandwagon...

Kalit fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jun 1, 2022

zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather


Sure it's just conjecture, but doesn't seem like a stretch after some cop was just blind firing into breonna Taylor's apartment from the street

-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.
There is the remote possibility that it may be just a hair too early to draw such conclusions on the other hand....

https://twitter.com/escargotpro_/status/1474386698553413642

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Kalit posted:

Hey mods, can you please clamp down on the conspiracy theory of cops shooting children? This thread seems to be spinning it up based on evidence such as....the cops being cowards?

E: I would report a post, but I don't know what to report it as. Also, holy gently caress, there's so many posters jumping on this bandwagon...

It's not exactly a wild stretch of the imagination that the cops, an organization notorious for killing innocent civilians both accidentally and intentionally and then covering their asses, could have accidentally killed an innocent civilian and are now covering their asses.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Kalit posted:

Hey mods, can you please clamp down on the conspiracy theory of cops shooting children? This thread seems to be spinning it up based on evidence such as....the cops being cowards?

E: I would report a post, but I don't know what to report it as. Also, holy gently caress, there's so many posters jumping on this bandwagon...

Apropos of nothing, remember three years ago when a UPS truck got hijacked in Florida and the cops rolled up, used occupied civilian cars as cover, and unloaded 200 rounds into the truck, killing the hostage as well as a 70 year old bystander?

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

cat botherer posted:

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1531714359466024963

Uh, so there is some discussion about reducing the purported inflation impact of the possible means-tested student loan debt cancellation by restarting payments. This would be a tremendous own-goal if the Biden admin does it.

It's been a talking point since maybe a week after inflation shot through the roof. Conservatives are eager to blame the current inflation spike on Biden's radical socialist policies, and are loudly signaling their intention to do so in advance, in hopes of dissuading Biden from doing something they can't block.

Bellmaker
Oct 18, 2008

Chapter DOOF



Charliegrs posted:

That sounds like a massive conflict of interest...

I'm sure it's fine, it's not like the Chief himself has a conflict of inter-

https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1531810874524160000?s=20&t=GEZJKx6RlDyzIQ6qsgY1FQ

-Ah. Nevertheless,

Bishyaler
Dec 30, 2009
Megamarm

Kalit posted:

Hey mods, can you please clamp down on the conspiracy theory of cops shooting children? This thread seems to be spinning it up based on evidence such as....the cops being cowards?

E: I would report a post, but I don't know what to report it as. Also, holy gently caress, there's so many posters jumping on this bandwagon...

Thank you for defending the honor of the police who *checks notes* refused to confront the killer and have been lying about the details ever since.

Zoodpipe
Jun 24, 2004

This is an important call. So, shut the fuck up.
Fallen Rib

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Apropos of nothing, remember three years ago when a UPS truck got hijacked in Florida and the cops rolled up, used occupied civilian cars as cover, and unloaded 200 rounds into the truck, killing the hostage as well as a 70 year old bystander?

And then UPS apologized and thanked the pigs?

Kalit
Nov 6, 2006

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Bishyaler posted:

Thank you for defending the honor of the police who *checks notes* refused to confront the killer and have been lying about the details ever since.

Fister Roboto posted:

It's not exactly a wild stretch of the imagination that the cops, an organization notorious for killing innocent civilians both accidentally and intentionally and then covering their asses, could have accidentally killed an innocent civilian and are now covering their asses.

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Apropos of nothing, remember three years ago when a UPS truck got hijacked in Florida and the cops rolled up, used occupied civilian cars as cover, and unloaded 200 rounds into the truck, killing the hostage as well as a 70 year old bystander?

Yes, you all bring up the great point of police killing innocent people and lying consistently.

Oh, wait...... they haven't been vehemently claiming that they didn't shoot any children? They weren't blindly firing into the school building? It was shown on camera that they weren't doing poo poo except loitering outside?

drat, call me convinced of this conspiracy theory you pulled out of your asses :rolleyes:

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

If one of the cops had shot a child, I think we would know by now.

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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War

Kalit posted:

Yes, you all bring up the great point of police killing innocent people and lying consistently.

Oh, wait...... they haven't been vehemently claiming that they didn't shoot any children? They weren't blindly firing into the school building? It was shown on camera that they weren't doing poo poo except loitering outside?

drat, call me convinced of this conspiracy theory you pulled out of your asses :rolleyes:

They did put out that statement that said that they believe that all of the people who died were killed by the gunman and a child did state that when the cops asked the kids to shout “help” if they needed help and a girl was killed because she asked for help, the cops exchanged fire with the gunman.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1529901182147186689?s=21&t=IgxL_dhlWR3EgIbwDsPitA

theCalamity fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jun 1, 2022

WorkerThread
Feb 15, 2012

Kalit posted:

Yes, you all bring up the great point of police killing innocent people and lying consistently.

Oh, wait...... they haven't been vehemently claiming that they didn't shoot any children? They weren't blindly firing into the school building? It was shown on camera that they weren't doing poo poo except loitering outside?

drat, call me convinced of this conspiracy theory you pulled out of your asses :rolleyes:

There's nothing conspiratorial about being open the possibility that cops incorrectly shot the wrong people. It happens all the time. Why are you so confident?

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Fister Roboto posted:

It's not exactly a wild stretch of the imagination that the cops, an organization notorious for killing innocent civilians both accidentally and intentionally and then covering their asses, could have accidentally killed an innocent civilian and are now covering their asses.

Nobody was accusing them of anything until during a press conference they were like "we are absolutely certain we did not kill ANY children. If any kids have cop bullets in them, they were definitely already dead. We know nobody asked, we just wanted to make sure everyone knew."

Axetrain
Sep 14, 2007

It's speculative but I see no reason to give cops the benefit of the doubt. They have largely shown them selves to be trigger happy ghouls who care not a wit for public safety. Get that boot out of your mouth.

Kalit
Nov 6, 2006

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Lemming posted:

Nobody was accusing them of anything until during a press conference they were like "we are absolutely certain we did not kill ANY children. If any kids have cop bullets in them, they were definitely already dead. We know nobody asked, we just wanted to make sure everyone knew."

Ahh, now that I did not hear about. Fair enough, thank you.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Main Paineframe posted:

It's been a talking point since maybe a week after inflation shot through the roof. Conservatives are eager to blame the current inflation spike on Biden's radical socialist policies, and are loudly signaling their intention to do so in advance, in hopes of dissuading Biden from doing something they can't block.
And Biden is buying into their narrative quite eagerly.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Kalit posted:

Ahh, now that I did not hear about. Fair enough, thank you.

Specifically I saw this tweet

https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1529524085759385600

It doesn't have the precise statement but it's a checkmarked reporter

Edit: frankly for as much as I hate cops this truly did not enter my mind as a possibility until I saw this, I guess it just shows that no matter where your bar is they'll dig under it

Mayday Cat
May 1, 2022

by sebmojo

Axetrain posted:

It's speculative but I see no reason to give cops the benefit of the doubt. They have largely shown them selves to be trigger happy ghouls who care not a wit for public safety. Get that boot out of your mouth.

Why would you not give them the benefit of the doubt? Isnt America founded on the idea of innocent until proven guilty?

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PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
only jurors and lawyers have to care about crap like that.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

So the Uvalde Chief Of Police can't bother to show up to be questioned by Texas DPS, but show up to be inaugurated as a city council member.
https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1531810874524160000?s=20&t=OHHFmdO1YfPVi9Uc8sN5tA

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Kalit posted:

Yes, you all bring up the great point of police killing innocent people and lying consistently.

Oh, wait...... they haven't been vehemently claiming that they didn't shoot any children? They weren't blindly firing into the school building? It was shown on camera that they weren't doing poo poo except loitering outside?

drat, call me convinced of this conspiracy theory you pulled out of your asses :rolleyes:

Doubting the cops' story (which has changed multiple times over the past few days) isn't a conspiracy theory, jesus christ.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


The fundamental incompetence of the police here should be all anyone needs to know that putting schools and police on a war footing doesn't actually work, and even produces worse outcomes.

They are not even displaying the competence necessary to just lawyer up and shut up.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Kalit posted:

Yes, you all bring up the great point of police killing innocent people and lying consistently.

Oh, wait...... they haven't been vehemently claiming that they didn't shoot any children? They weren't blindly firing into the school building? It was shown on camera that they weren't doing poo poo except loitering outside?

drat, call me convinced of this conspiracy theory you pulled out of your asses :rolleyes:

Could you lay out the timeline of what factually happened so that no one falls into the conspiracy hole? We must have one otherwise you're confusing conspiracy and conjecture.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

Sodomy Hussein posted:

The fundamental incompetence of the police here should be all anyone needs to know that putting schools and police on a war footing doesn't actually work, and even produces worse outcomes.

They are not even displaying the competence necessary to just lawyer up and shut up.

It's even more than that. All the weapons, used military gear, APC's and such aren't going to mean a drat thing if there isn't a wherewithal to effectively use them during a crisis on actual murderous perpetrators seeking to take innocent lives.

At that point it's weaponized security porn for the police and disturbing for anyone that has it levied on them that doesn't deserve that level of force. Worse still, even without factoring this in when lethal force is used there's constant situations where you end up with insane situations like the UPS truck up above due to bad training or some other factor.

To be clear, not all PD's are like this. But the harder into (sadly at this point often right wing) the framing that there is an adversarial nature to policing they go it seems the more they trend into this "hard on crime, soft on accountability" form of procedure and ethics where nothing effective gets done to actually protect people and more often there ends up being innocent blood shed at some point. It also makes for a fertile breeding ground for craven opportunists and provides cover for actually dangerous people who shouldn't be permitted to wear a badge like bigots and organized supremacist groups.

Arming the schools like they're prisons isn't going to change this. It's just going to increase the chances of more people getting hurt in the long run, with maybe at best one or two situations where someone gets lucky and the perp is stopped without massive collateral damage from a bullet over penetrating or a guard firing into an occupied hallway or room.


Edit: Also, Fox News has Laura Ingraham trying to claim that reefer madness is a thing and it is causing this guy to shoot people. :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/iamgabesanchez/status/1531847271033098241

Archonex fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jun 1, 2022

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Lemming posted:

Nobody was accusing them of anything until during a press conference they were like "we are absolutely certain we did not kill ANY children. If any kids have cop bullets in them, they were definitely already dead. We know nobody asked, we just wanted to make sure everyone knew."

My "I did not accidentally shoot any kids" shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Mayday Cat posted:

Why would you not give them the benefit of the doubt? Isnt America founded on the idea of innocent until proven guilty?

Lol

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Mayday Cat posted:

Why would you not give them the benefit of the doubt? Isnt America founded on the idea of innocent until proven guilty?

It is not, no

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Mayday Cat posted:

Why would you not give them the benefit of the doubt? Isnt America founded on the idea of innocent until proven guilty?

Not in practice but also this thread isnt a court soooo

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-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.
Look who's shook. So it's likely going to be Biden vs. Trump in 2024, there's no way he doesn't run and try to use his candidacy to deflect this.
https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1531474161960370176

-Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Jun 1, 2022

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