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UK: we can save our economy if we keep making nothing but cringe
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Jun 1, 2022 02:10
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quote:Ms Bachelet is the first high commissioner for human rights to visit China since 2005, and was able to travel to Xinjiang during her six-day visit at the end of May. But independent investigators have not been permitted access to the region, and diplomats have turned down visits rather than take Potemkin tours. lmao, contradicting themselves twice in two sentences
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Jun 1, 2022 03:06
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what did he do? https://twitter.com/peoplesdailyapp/status/1531819175265673216
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Jun 1, 2022 03:10
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mawarannahr posted:I guess you’re right. why does it stand out to me? is it a media framing thing or am I twisted? I think it stands out because it's almost always presented as "the 3 (noun)s" or something, and also because its in absolutely everything. Every single local Chinese government is pushing out dozens and dozens of them all the time.
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Jun 1, 2022 03:51
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stephenthinkpad posted:Frankly I didn't know that part of the history. However if I look at the popular show and movie that set in the Korean war, only thing I can think of is the M.A.S.H show. FYI M.A.S.H is set in Korea but about Vietnam and is pretty anti the war. crepeface posted:lmao, contradicting themselves twice in two sentences Diplomats are not independent investigators. Neither is Bachmann, she specifically said in her statement that she isn't. https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/05/statement-un-high-commissioner-human-rights-michelle-bachelet-after-official
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Jun 1, 2022 03:55
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I read a bunch of primary sources for the korean war a month or so ago and well, america seemed to have urged the south korean government, a dictatorship they installed, to start the war. it's pretty unequivocal. edit: what they didn't expect was the north to take over so much so fast. I haven't read too much into after the war started. The soviets were originally anti war but in 48 or 49 decided to let China and Korea decide what they wanted to do. south korea crossed the border ~40 times before the war popped off, and on the official start date they actually captured two villages in north korean territory. North korea to that point hadn't done any punitive retaliation. they decided sometime before june 25th 1950 that if Rhee sent more people across the border they were going to overthrow him. June 25th is just when the south provoked them after that decision was made Antonymous has issued a correction as of 04:17 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Jun 1, 2022 04:13
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Antonymous posted:I read a bunch of primary sources for the korean war a month or so ago and well, america seemed to have urged the south korean government, a dictatorship they installed, to start the war. it's pretty unequivocal correct
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Jun 1, 2022 04:14
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the primary sources tell a much different history than I was taught (well of course, I learned in America). The soviets seemed to want korean self-determination, largely because the only functional army was in the north and I think the majority of korea was more aligned with socialism - most of the communists before liberation lived in the south I think. The south, politically and economically, was a mess. No organization. None of the private correspondence with Stalin that I read spoke of much except a slow establishment of a unified government with, at minimum, large amounts of korean input on what the government would be. They were open to delegates of equal number from north and south provided they were chosen by koreans. Socialist leaders in the south describe China as the only natural ally of a unified Korea in their private conversations, not trusting the USA or Soviet union (although the conversation was with a chinese national). The USA, who had a dictatorship in the south called The US Government In Korea, knew well that if they unilaterally imposed an election it would result in the north boycotting and Syngman Rhee winning. The CIA has memos saying this is a preferred outcome, a unified korea would naturally be run by the government in north korea and an ally to/absorbed into the soviet union. They also knew that Rhee was a pretty willing puppet strongman. So they lead the russians on about a mutual removal of their armies (something that only benefitted the soviet union - the us didn't have enough native korean support to keep control). Last minute, they pull out of their negotiations and agreements which started in 1945, all while leading the soviets on that things were about to be resolved. Then they put Korea as a topic of discussion in front of the UN. The leadership in USSR is shocked at this betrayal, and naively insist that no discussion of korea can happen before a korean delegation is selected to represent their interests before the UN. The US ignores this and goes on to get an affirmative vote on the UN running an election in Korea. The UN chooses a few member countries to select administrators run this election. The election goes poorly, according to American generals on the ground. The UN administrators don't seem to care much for the plight of korea, in their words. Wiki says the turnout was 95%, but the turnout was also only ~35% of the population. Syngman Rhee and right wing elements were already attacking and intimidating left wingers, and patrolling polling places. Many left wing parties boycotted the election. Both before and after Rhee won, protests broke out. 100,000s of thousands of leftists were killed, more jailed. Then the incursions into the North began. edit: The USA also never declared war on Korea. It did do a lot of war crimes and attempted a genocide. it's crazy how much this history just... doens't exist. Just crazy north koreans! They have an insane leader! Antonymous has issued a correction as of 04:45 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Jun 1, 2022 04:33
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Weka posted:FYI M.A.S.H is set in Korea but about Vietnam and is pretty anti the war. ah yes technically correct the best kind of correct.
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Jun 1, 2022 04:57
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Michelle Bachmann visiting China would certainly be interesting
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Jun 1, 2022 05:40
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KomradeX posted:Its a good thing American prisons don't look like that in America they would have actual magazines in their guns.
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Jun 1, 2022 06:08
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Antonymous posted:ok, this reads like machine translation: farting is the great communicator of the workers that bridges intestines like an enema club tubing setup
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Jun 1, 2022 06:26
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Antonymous posted:Last minute, they pull out of their negotiations and agreements which started in 1945, all while leading the soviets on that things were about to be resolved. Then they put Korea as a topic of discussion in front of the UN. The leadership in USSR is shocked at this betrayal, and naively insist that no discussion of korea can happen before a korean delegation is selected to represent their interests before the UN. The US ignores this and goes on to get an affirmative vote on the UN running an election in Korea. The UN chooses a few member countries to select administrators run this election. One of the grave weaknesses of the Soviets in all honesty was assuming the US was an honest opponent or at some point differences could be bridged etc. There is no one as cynical as the US, bar perhaps its mentor, the UK.
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Jun 1, 2022 06:55
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my favourite thing about the korean war starting wasquote:It was not an international war but a civil war, with which the United Nations would not normally be concerned. The United States Government decided, however, to treat it as an international war and to secure the condemnation of the North Koreans before any evidence could be produced and before the Soviet delegate could resume his place on the Security Council. Ambassador Muccio’s report reached the State Department at 9.26pm on 24 June, eastern daylight time (11.26am, 25 June, Korean time), and at midnight EDT, namely, 2.00pm, 25 June, Korean time (see Appendix II (e)) the Secretary-General telegraphed to the United Nations Commission in Seoul asking for a report. Some hours later the Commission sent a telegram in reply (S/1496) stating that Syngman Rhee had not planned to appeal to the Security Council, but had no objection to their being informed of this ‘latest turn of events’. The telegram threw no light on the origin of the fighting but merely stated that each side accused the other. At the urgent request of the US Government the Security Council met at Lake Success at 2.00pm EDT the same day. The US delegate said that the facts were set out in the Commission’s telegram (S/1496) and that his government considered that ‘this wholly illegal and unprovoked attack by the North Korean forces constitutes a breach of the peace and an act of aggression’. The Yugoslav delegate protested that the evidence before them did not enable the Council to decide which was the guilty party, but he received no support. The American resolution was adopted and the North Koreans were condemned unheard. literally orchestrated a fake story, presented no real evidence, and attacked while the soviet ambassador (who was the only one who could potentially veto the decision) wasn't present
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Jun 1, 2022 10:08
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yah the wilson center and some other resources really make the narrative pretty clear the wilson center has a handful of primary sources and that got me lookin for more it's v interesting to read how people wrote to stalin. Molotov, Malik, that guy whose name has a V - they sound worried, and a little naive, at what is happening w/ america and korea. but they write pretty directly if hastily and give their opinions/advice. Kim Il Sung is an insane sycophant to stalin. he didn't get the memo when he was in the USSR I guess. Just be chill the CIA seems to have a really good understanding, better than other parties. and they are already realists, but either through malice or projection paint the USSR as imperialists in the mid 1940s... but then USA picks Rhee because he speaks english. Well they groomed him for the job. but a lot of political bodies seem to know the UN election means Rhee and that means two koreas.. so you can only assume that was the goal all long, well the goal was one korea under USA by any means Antonymous has issued a correction as of 10:57 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Jun 1, 2022 10:51
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Antonymous can you post some of these primary sources? This is an issue I’m very interested in and I’d love to read more about what you’ve been posting
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Jun 1, 2022 13:12
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again far be it from me to defend South Korean autocrats but there was significant North Korean infiltrations and support for insurgents in the south in the years prior. both sides were doing lovely things prior to June 25.
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Jun 1, 2022 13:50
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freeasinbeer posted:again far be it from me to defend South Korean autocrats but there was significant North Korean infiltrations and support for insurgents in the south in the years prior. both sides were doing lovely things prior to June 25. There is no comparison here. One side is an indigenous movement fighting for the liberation of their country from imperialism and the other is a resurrected Japanese colonial state under new US management. Were the North Koreans providing aid to communists in the south as they were being wantonly murdered by the US dictatorship? Good.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:37
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freeasinbeer posted:again far be it from me to defend South Korean autocrats but there was significant North Korean infiltrations and support for insurgents in the south in the years prior. both sides were doing lovely things prior to June 25. Rhee's government slaughtered tens or hundreds of thousands of villagers suspected to be "communist sympathizers" there's no possible comparison to that kind of naked brutality and punitive measures.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:43
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Still amused by looking things up on twitter and finding accounts that seem to only exist to repost stuff in other languages. https://twitter.com/NiKiTa_32156/status/1531968956805808133
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Jun 1, 2022 15:29
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Lostconfused posted:Still amused by looking things up on twitter and finding accounts that seem to only exist to repost stuff in other languages. This that a Nazi emblem in their user name?
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Jun 1, 2022 15:37
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HiroProtagonist posted:Rhee's government slaughtered tens or hundreds of thousands of villagers suspected to be "communist sympathizers" one weird trick to consolidate power under the auspice of democracy simply declare that all your political opponents are commies! commies hate it
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Jun 1, 2022 15:44
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basically the only way to make american actions in korea even slightly defensible is to say that they were too stupid to understand the regional politics and had to guilelessly believe everything that guys like syngman rhee told them since those were the only koreans who could speak good english but even then you run into the rather awkward fact that a lot of these people were saying poo poo like actually japan loved korea which used to be a dumb backwards country and they modernized it which was like literally considered treasonous speech in the united states hardly a few months ago
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Jun 1, 2022 15:47
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Some Guy TT posted:basically the only way to make american actions in korea even slightly defensible is to say that they were too stupid to understand the regional politics and had to guilelessly believe everything that guys like syngman rhee told them since those were the only koreans who could speak good english And also that Syngman Rhee was a handpicked puppet in the first place makes even that hypothetical rather unbelievable.
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Jun 1, 2022 15:57
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anyway in more recent korea nwews https://twitter.com/BluRoofPolitics/status/1532027385062776837 libs are getting their asses handed to them in local elections
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Jun 1, 2022 17:05
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ikanreed posted:This that a Nazi emblem in their user name? Yes 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
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Jun 1, 2022 17:10
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freeasinbeer posted:again far be it from me to defend South Korean autocrats but both sidesing the loving korean war lol
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Jun 1, 2022 17:35
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RushanAbbas/status/1531899724777005056
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Jun 1, 2022 17:36
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:both sidesing the loving korean war lol lmao wow i didn’t realize north korea leveled every building in south korea then planned to use cobalt bombs to create an irradiated wasteland. brutal
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Jun 1, 2022 17:38
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https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1531864880395198464
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Jun 1, 2022 17:39
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some of the films are really bad quote:
I’m the Uyghur situational knowledge
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Jun 1, 2022 17:39
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https://mobile.twitter.com/KenRoth/status/1531845253984141312
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Jun 1, 2022 17:40
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mawarannahr posted:some of the films are really bad i liked how the article goes out of its way to avoid describing the content of the films even slightly implying that theyre like romantic comedies when they were almost certainly terrorist training videos
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Jun 1, 2022 17:43
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y’all are moving the hell out of some goal posts here the assertion was that Rhee caused the Korean War by invading North Korean territory before the official start of the war, which they did! But that didn’t happen in a vacuum, and both sides were prior to the “start” of the war doing their damndest to gently caress with the other, including pretty significant incursions. so the assertion that South Korea hosed around and found it, falls a bit flat, in the context of the run up to the war. also lmao at y’all going to the mat to defend what is now a hereditary monarchy 😂
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Jun 1, 2022 17:59
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MayukhDuke/status/1532031376345640965
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Jun 1, 2022 18:00
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There’s no point thinking about hypocrisy or consistency when it comes to international politics but I watched a few videos from Israel today and I couldn’t help but think about that. Imagine if thousands of Han Chinese marched through the streets of Urumqi escorted by the PLA and chanting “death to Uyghurs!” while smashing Uyghur shops and beating Uyghur protestors. I have a feeling it wouldn’t be described as “clashes”.
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Jun 1, 2022 18:11
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freeasinbeer posted:y’all y’all 😂 pay no mind
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Jun 1, 2022 18:11
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freeasinbeer posted:y’all are moving the hell out of some goal posts here It was a war of southern aggression. The north did nothing wrong.
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Jun 1, 2022 18:12
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Some Guy TT posted:anyway in more recent korea nwews Why are the conservatives red and not blue?
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Jun 1, 2022 18:18
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freeasinbeer posted:y’all are moving the hell out of some goal posts here I'm not sure why liberals are so eager and proud to put their ignorance on display with the "hereditary monarchy" meme but I'm glad y'all do
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Jun 1, 2022 18:28
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