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Powerful Katrinka
Oct 11, 2021

an admin fat fingered a permaban and all i got was this lousy av
So the judge is the one who requested cameras in the courtroom, and bless her because we got to hear the phrase "Amber Turd" repeated several times in a court of law. That's official now

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Analytic Engine
May 18, 2009

not the analytical engine

I put wine and turds together, and decided this trial is *pissin' me off*

Barreft
Jul 21, 2014

Powerful Katrinka posted:

Yeah, she lied. She lied about all of her injuries

Yeah I know. I watched it. Sorry if It read like I believed that happened

E: sry it's 1am that came out bad. I fully am on everything you've said in this thread

Barreft fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jun 2, 2022

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



ASK ME ABOUT
BEING
ESCULA GRIND'S
#1 SIMP

your honor may it please the court you see I am, myself, an amateur internet ring impact specialist and this is clearly oh wait hold on myth ankle monitor is beeping for some reason

FireWorksWell
Nov 27, 2014

Let's go do some hero shit!


Powerful Katrinka posted:

So the judge is the one who requested cameras in the courtroom, and bless her because we got to hear the phrase "Amber Turd" repeated several times in a court of law. That's official now

I can't deny that doesn't make me grin, but also, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/arts/amber-heard-tiktok-johnny-depp.html

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

Powerful Katrinka posted:

So the judge is the one who requested cameras in the courtroom, and bless her because we got to hear the phrase "Amber Turd" repeated several times in a court of law. That's official now

some lawyer dumbass bitch correct me if im wrong but i assume this is because so many peopl e were trying to get in that an overflow room was legally necessary, so they had to have cameras

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

your honor may it please the court you see I am, myself, an amateur internet ring impact specialist and this is clearly oh wait hold on myth ankle monitor is beeping for some reason

It may look as though my client has suffered none but AHA here is a blacklight

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
Now imagine I am making ghost noises and stealing stuff from your fridge

Mystery

runnypoops
Mar 26, 2016

been there. done that. prove yourself to me.
Jack Sparrow evades the hangmans noose yet again the cad

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



runnypoops posted:

Jack Sparrow evades the hangmans noose yet again the cad

lmao

Billy Ray Blowjob
Nov 30, 2011

by Pragmatica
https://twitter.com/DonnaDotPaella/status/1532090519429472256

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug
Can't believe telling obvious and defaming lies will now be considered defamation. This sets a dangerous precedent

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

I mean it is true that all western legal systems are a joke where abuse is concerned, but you resolve that by lowering the absurdly high standards of evidence required and imprisoning people until they're positively safe to release ie, 99% will never be safe to release

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Mooey Cow posted:

Can't believe telling obvious and defaming lies will now be considered defamation. This sets a dangerous precedent

obvious and defaming lies like "I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out." when will society put a stop to this awful slander

SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

Thank god the multimillionaire won their suit vs the other multimillionaire, I'm invested in which multimillionaire is the slightly less piece of poo poo.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

SilvergunSuperman posted:

Thank god the multimillionaire won their suit vs the other multimillionaire, I'm invested in which multimillionaire is the slightly less piece of poo poo.

I thought they were both broke, gently caress.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

The kicker was when she slipped up and namedropped Kate moss, who was then asked to testify and said depp was a great guy. Real 200 iq move there

Barudak
May 7, 2007

What Im reading is in a case where all she had to do is not say "I did this on purpose to hurt his career knowing these were lies" she testified "I did this on purpose to hurt his career knowing these were lies"

Is that right?

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Barudak posted:

What Im reading is in a case where all she had to do is not say "I did this on purpose to hurt his career knowing these were lies" she testified "I did this on purpose to hurt his career knowing these were lies"

Is that right?

no, she did not say that the years of physical abuse were lies, if that's what you're asking

it may have been unwise to hinge her defense on speaking the truth, but i can understand why someone might think years of photos and contemporaneous reports to third parties would be more compelling than it turned out to be

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jun 2, 2022

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life
Here’s a tip on how to avoid a future defamation case: if you’re going to publish an article about how you’re the poster child for domestic abuse and sexual violence survivors, don’t produce a two hour audio tape of yourself gaslighting your accused abuser where you point out that whenever you get violent and start physically hitting them they try and defuse the situation by walking away and it pisses you off they never fight back. It really makes it hard to believe you constantly feared for your life.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Cyks posted:

Here’s a tip on how to avoid a future defamation case: if you’re going to publish an article about how you’re the poster child for domestic abuse and sexual violence survivors, don’t produce a two hour audio tape of yourself gaslighting your accused abuser where you point out that whenever you get violent and start physically hitting them they try and defuse the situation by walking away and it pisses you off they never fight back. It really makes it hard to believe you constantly feared for your life.

yeah god forbid she yell at the dude beating her down on the regular, she should've realized his lawyer would selectively edit that recording years later to convince a bunch of people she's the actual abuser

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life

Cease to Hope posted:

yeah god forbid she yell at the dude beating her down on the regular, she should've realized his lawyer would selectively edit that recording years later to convince a bunch of people she's the actual abuser

The entire audio is available and submitted in evidence for the jury to review.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Cyks posted:

The entire audio is available and submitted in evidence for the jury to review.

including the parts where she points out he was beating her, which were edited out of the leaked versions everyone likes to link

that whole conversation is her trying to get him to acknowledge what he's doing rather than drinking until he blacks out then denying he did anything. foolish to believe the truth matters to the dude beating you down i guess but what can you do

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life

Cease to Hope posted:

including the parts where she points out he was beating her, which were edited out of the leaked versions everyone likes to link

So you’re saying the jury got to hear that part and still disagreed with it.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Cyks posted:

So you’re saying the jury got to hear that part and still disagreed with it.

yeah the jury hosed up, not the first or the last time in a domestic abuse case with a rich and charismatic wifebeater

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
I don't get it. If there was incontrovertible evidence that she was being abused why did the jury find against her?

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Funky See Funky Do posted:

I don't get it. If there was incontrovertible evidence that she was being abused why did the jury find against her?

because people will believe any conspiracy theory as long as it lines up with their initial gut suspicion of a DV victim

the better question is how a statement that didn't mention depp by name and didn't accuse him of anything was defamatory, but when it's a trial by public opinion with an unsequestered jury, the law doesn't really matter very much

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life
She said during the trial that the op-ed was about Depp and the op-ed points to a specific time frame, two years prior to publication which would have been late 2016, the same year she filed the restraining order and a month before the divorce was finalized. Saying “she didn’t say his name specifically” is being disingenuous.

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

The jury found that the unnamed target of her op-Ed was depp. You can hem and haw about what did or didn’t happen all you like, but he was clearly the topic of that little write up and this is the basis of the defamation case.

Bar Patron
Jun 12, 2015

The article she wrote about being a victim of intimate partner violence was probably just referring to some high school fling she had.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Cyks posted:

She said during the trial that the op-ed was about Depp and the op-ed points to a specific time frame, two years prior to publication which would have been late 2016, the same year she filed the restraining order and a month before the divorce was finalized. Saying “she didn’t say his name specifically” is being disingenuous.

it still didn't actually accuse him of anything, just mentioned that she'd been in the news regarding domestic abuse, which is incontrovertibly true. it was foolish to say that the op-ed was about depp, but she was relying on the pile of pictures and contemporaneous reports to third parties of his abuse to be believed. it's doubly foolish to expect anyone to believe the evidence collected by the victim of a rich charismatic man, i suppose, when it's more fun to believe the epic poop memes and the edited videos accusing her of doing coke in the middle of the trial

Blue Raider posted:

The jury found that the unnamed target of her op-Ed was depp. You can hem and haw about what did or didn’t happen all you like, but he was clearly the topic of that little write up and this is the basis of the defamation case.

if the op-ed was true (and every single word of it is incontrovertibly true), then it doesn't matter if it was about depp. the truth is never defamation.

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009

Bar Patron posted:

The article she wrote about being a victim of intimate partner violence was probably just referring to some high school fling she had.

It does specifically mention suffering abuse before being of college age, perhaps you should read it

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

Well her lawyers didn’t prove that she was telling the truth in court, so that brings the situation full circle to yesterday.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Centusin posted:

It does specifically mention suffering abuse before being of college age, perhaps you should read it

yeah this is the wild part. i'd love to see anyone point to which part of this isn't true

quote:

I was exposed to abuse at a very young age. I knew certain things early on, without ever having to be told. I knew that men have the power— physically, socially and financially— and that a lot of institutions support that arrangement. I knew this long before I had the words to articulate it, and I bet you learned it young, too.

Like many women, I had been harassed and sexually assaulted by the time I was of college age. But I kept quiet — I did not expect filing complaints to bring justice. And I didn’t see myself as a victim.

Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out.

Friends and advisers told me I would never again work as an actress — that I would be blacklisted. A movie I was attached to recast my role. I had just shot a two-year campaign as the face of a global fashion brand, and the company dropped me. Questions arose as to whether I would be able to keep my role of Mera in the movies “Justice League” and “Aquaman.”

I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.

Imagine a powerful man as a ship, like the Titanic. That ship is a huge enterprise. When it strikes an iceberg, there are a lot of people on board desperate to patch up holes — not because they believe in or even care about the ship, but because their own fates depend on the enterprise.

the rest of the op-ed is about metoo in general and the need to strengthen DV laws

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

But civil law doesn't provide any measure of justice. Ohhhh no a scumbag millionaire had to pay a trivial amount of their fortune. Maybe they'll have to sell a house they live in for a week a year!

Justice is achieved by imprisoning or hanging domestic abusers. Civil law is a joke and has nothing to do with it. In any case with even a hint of criminality, all civil judgements should be completely subordinated to a criminal trial.

Bar Patron
Jun 12, 2015

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

None of us know what is or isn’t true. We aren’t mind readers and we weren’t there. But people can also just say whatever they want to without the burden of proof. She and her lawyers were unable to prove these assertions in court, which lead to a defamation ruling against her.

Idk what’s so hard about this.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Blue Raider posted:

None of us know what is or isn’t true. We aren’t mind readers and we weren’t there.

man every claim in that op-ed can be trivially verified. she didn't accuse depp of beating her publicly until these lawsuits, so you don't have to get all "we aren’t mind readers and we weren’t there."

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

Now quote the rest of the post

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Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Blue Raider posted:

Now quote the rest of the post

the rest of the post is moot. it wasn't a trial to see if johnny depp beat her, it was a trial to see if the op-ed was false. but the op-ed was completely anodyne, and it's nuts that the jury decided to punish her for accusing him of DV in the course of the trial

also, don't play this neutral observer with no opinion nonsense

Blue Raider posted:

amberheard when johnny depp walked in and saw her making GBS threads on the bed: "youre clearly not a golfer"

Blue Raider posted:

Captain Jack sparrow OWNS shameful lawyer with CLAPBACK LOGIC


Blue Raider posted:

I’ve seen enough. Ready the electric chair

people like you decided they liked memes more than believing a victim.

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jun 2, 2022

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