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Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
My understanding is that there's a couple of competing theories on why it had a huge uptick in popularity:

1- The practical: It took off around 2012 with the big rise of the assorted Tube-style streaming sites because it's an easy thing to sell with the various banner ads. "Hot Step-XXX railed by their YYY" is easily understood and fits in a small number of words while also hitting that "taboo" thing. Much like "Hot Singles in Your Area". After that, it was self-reinforcing: Faux-cest ads were generating clicks, so companies marketed it more and made more of it. Don't fix what ain't broke. And interviews I've seen indicate it's literally a thousandfold increase over the last decade.

2- The cultural: It's a combination of the other most traditional taboo (inter-racial) becoming more socially accepted and therefore less interesting, but also the fact that the millennials (which data showed were the primary drivers of Faux-cest) coming from smaller families (my roommate and myself both have parents that are 1 of 6 kids, none of our generation of grandkids have had more than 3). The smaller family units and often lack of near siblings makes the notion of a sibling relationship more "interesting".

Probably a mix of those and other factors, but yeah, TL;DR all data shows that it's millennials using streaming Tube porn sites driving Faux-cest since ~2012.

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jackofarcades
Sep 2, 2011

Okay, I'll admit it took me a bit to get into it... But I think I kinda love this!! I'm Spider-Man!! I'm actually Spider-Man!! HA!
2 would track with Japan, which has famously small families and which anecdotally seemed to be "ahead" of the curve in incest content in anime.

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My hunch is that most people who watch it probably don’t have any incestual feelings themselves but are attracted to the taboo nature of it, which I think tracks with what the posts above said.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




pentyne posted:


Jenny McCarthy also had her brain broken by having a child with developmental disabilities and deciding that there were magical powers at play before claiming vaccinations were the problem

Your brain doesn't normally break if you have a child with development disabilities. Maybe it's conceivable that she's just a terrible person?

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

christmas boots posted:

My hunch is that most people who watch it probably don’t have any incestual feelings themselves but are attracted to the taboo nature of it, which I think tracks with what the posts above said.

My theory is that people just click the thumbnails that feature hot people n they want to gently caress and skip the three minutes of set up.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

christmas boots posted:

My hunch is that most people who watch it probably don’t have any incestual feelings themselves but are attracted to the taboo nature of it, which I think tracks with what the posts above said.

This is generally the case.

People don't actually want to gently caress their sisters/brothers/dads/mothers, but the idea of it gets them going.

Its true for a lot of fetishes.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

My theory is that people just click the thumbnails that feature hot people n they want to gently caress and skip the three minutes of set up.

I think this is a large part of it. It costs basically nothing to have the actors spend a minute talking about being sexy step siblings, and it's not really offensive enough to make most people pass on it instead of just skipping to the good bits, so it gets some extra clicks from whatever segment is into it with no real cost or risk.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Media That Didn't Age Well: What are you doing, step-thread?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I blame Back to the Future.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Media that did not age well: Step-siblings that aged well

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Magic Hate Ball posted:

It also has the sheriff's hat inexplicably getting bigger and bigger between shots in one scene, which would fit perfectly in Naked Gun.

It's be a while but I still think Scary Movie 3 is legitimately pretty great and easily the best of the <X> Movies

GB Luxury Hamper
Nov 27, 2002

pentyne posted:

Text based porn must have been a thing since people could get online, you just need to see what % of popularity and traffic goes to which subjects.

I think, and this was like 10 years ago maybe, that for the site Literotica it had always been around 90% of the site traffic going to their incest category.

At a certain point it's just about the money.

I remember a website that had reproductions of Victorian/Edwardian era erotica, magazines with stories. And those also seemed to be full of incest. Stories that start with Mrs Whatever loving the butler, and end with the entire household loving each other.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

jkk posted:

I remember a website that had reproductions of Victorian/Edwardian era erotica, magazines with stories. And those also seemed to be full of incest. Stories that start with Mrs Whatever loving the butler, and end with the entire household loving each other.

I mean, the royal families of Europe.....

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

jkk posted:

I remember a website that had reproductions of Victorian/Edwardian era erotica, magazines with stories. And those also seemed to be full of incest. Stories that start with Mrs Whatever loving the butler, and end with the entire household loving each other.

The parts that weren't about incest in the collection of Victorian erotica that I bought and subsequently stopped reading and threw away were about adoption for, at best, grooming purposes. :barf:

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Burkion posted:

This is generally the case.

People don't actually want to gently caress their sisters/brothers/dads/mothers, but the idea of it gets them going.

Its true for a lot of fetishes.

A shitton of people seem to get off on sexual stuff that's "wrong" or otherwise taboo specifically because of the taboo, yeah

Kevin DuBrow
Apr 21, 2012

The uruk-hai defender has logged on.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

The parts that weren't about incest in the collection of Victorian erotica that I bought and subsequently stopped reading and threw away were about adoption for, at best, grooming purposes. :barf:

This is like when I discovered the Marquis de Sade in a bookstore and thought "ooh, 18th century erotic novels, how quaint" and went on to be grossed out by the contents and learn that the word sadism is named after him.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Kevin DuBrow posted:

This is like when I discovered the Marquis de Sade in a bookstore and thought "ooh, 18th century erotic novels, how quaint" and went on to be grossed out by the contents and learn that the word sadism is named after him.

You're telling me there's 120 days of this poo poo?! Pass!

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe

Kevin DuBrow posted:

This is like when I discovered the Marquis de Sade in a bookstore and thought "ooh, 18th century erotic novels, how quaint" and went on to be grossed out by the contents and learn that the word sadism is named after him.

this is what those zoomers discovering goatse for the first time feel like

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

jackofarcades posted:

2 would track with Japan, which has famously small families and which anecdotally seemed to be "ahead" of the curve in incest content in anime.

Just watching it for the articles, huh?

Also, it's unsurprising that Japan is ahead of the curve with regards to anything in anime. Since the definition of anime includes 'comes from Japan'.

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moonmazed
Dec 27, 2021

by VideoGames

Kevin DuBrow posted:

This is like when I discovered the Marquis de Sade in a bookstore and thought "ooh, 18th century erotic novels, how quaint" and went on to be grossed out by the contents and learn that the word sadism is named after him.

did you think being horny was invented in the 20th century

Kevin DuBrow
Apr 21, 2012

The uruk-hai defender has logged on.

moonmazed posted:

did you think being horny was invented in the 20th century

No I just thought it would be "Monsieur, I am but a chaste milkmaid but my loins burn for you", not endless passages of a twelve year old being raped by everyone she meets

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Kevin DuBrow posted:

No I just thought it would be "Monsieur, I am but a chaste milkmaid but my loins burn for you", not endless passages of a twelve year old being raped by everyone she meets
do you think men were invented in the 20th century

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Oct 15, 2012

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With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

Kevin DuBrow posted:

No I just thought it would be "Monsieur, I am but a chaste milkmaid but my loins burn for you", not endless passages of a twelve year old being raped by everyone she meets

Hey, that's not the whole book. She also gets struck by lightning.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Kevin DuBrow posted:

No I just thought it would be "Monsieur, I am but a chaste milkmaid but my loins burn for you", not endless passages of a twelve year old being raped by everyone she meets

People back in the day were just people. Different environment, but fundimentally just as hosed up and weird as today.

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The Marquis de Sade certainly set a new standard for depraved and immoral sexual writings including but not limited to pedophilia, rape, and murder but you also have to remember that he was French.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

oldpainless posted:

The Marquis de Sade certainly set a new standard for depraved and immoral sexual writings including but not limited to pedophilia, rape, and murder but you also have to remember that he was French.

Missed spoiler opportunity. :smith:

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Biscuit Hider

oldpainless posted:

The Marquis de Sade certainly set a new standard for depraved and immoral sexual writings including but not limited to pedophilia, rape, and murder but you also have to remember that he was French.

Did I do it?

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Missed spoiler opportunity. :smith:

I use those exclusively for the british

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

oldpainless posted:

I use those exclusively for the british

Bless you.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

oldpainless posted:

The Marquis de Sade certainly set a new standard for depraved and immoral sexual writings including but not limited to pedophilia, rape, and murder but you also have to remember that he was French.

Am reminded that the Storming of the Bastille celebrated on the titular day found it mostly empty, except for him.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Am reminded that the Storming of the Bastille celebrated on the titular day found it mostly empty, except for him.
He had already been moved to Charenton

I read 120 Days once and it gave me nightmares for a week

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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The thing to understand about de Sade is that he was arrested for sodomising a prostitute in an era where that could carry a death sentence. But his wealth got it commuted to a private cell in the Bastille where he passed his time eating (thanks to his own private pastry chef) until he got so fat he could no longer stand.

And writing about how his circumstances were the fault of women and how much he hated them and what he wanted to do to them.

Usually, with one hand.

Oh, and also how rich men should be allowed to do anything they please and how dare society try to tell them otherwise. He made up a whole 'philosophy' about it called, Libertine - very similar to Libertarianism, only with more paedophilia.

People make him out to be this raging monster, a Reign of Terror-era Hannibal Lector, but he was the Ur incel. A pathetic spoiled man unable to realise his own blame in what had led him to where he ended up and writing endless, bitter tirades about it. And I have to point out, they were also really bad. Like, really really bad.

Which is the only reason anyone remembers him. When they stormed the Bastille, they found all his works and they were distributed and reproduced to show how depraved the aristocracy were. And, people being people, just couldn't get enough of how scandalising they were.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Megillah Gorilla posted:

The thing to understand about de Sade is that he was arrested for sodomising a prostitute in an era where that could carry a death sentence. But his wealth got it commuted to a private cell in the Bastille where he passed his time eating (thanks to his own private pastry chef) until he got so fat he could no longer stand.

And writing about how his circumstances were the fault of women and how much he hated them and what he wanted to do to them.

Usually, with one hand.

Oh, and also how rich men should be allowed to do anything they please and how dare society try to tell them otherwise. He made up a whole 'philosophy' about it called, Libertine - very similar to Libertarianism, only with more paedophilia.

People make him out to be this raging monster, a Reign of Terror-era Hannibal Lector, but he was the Ur incel. A pathetic spoiled man unable to realise his own blame in what had led him to where he ended up and writing endless, bitter tirades about it. And I have to point out, they were also really bad. Like, really really bad.

Which is the only reason anyone remembers him. When they stormed the Bastille, they found all his works and they were distributed and reproduced to show how depraved the aristocracy were. And, people being people, just couldn't get enough of how scandalising they were.
Okay not really? He was arrested multiple times for some pretty heinous, nonconsensual stuff. The death sentence was for poisoning, after two women he tried to roofie got sick.

The only thing he wrote in the Bastille was 120 Days, which he wrote in secret and while it was found after the storming of the Bastille, it wasn't published until the 1900s.

The bulk of what he wrote that we know were written (I think?) between his expulsion from the National Assembly and getting bonked back into horny jail for good

It is super, super bad tho

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
What I'm mostly getting from that is that I should be picturing de Sade as essentially identical to that super fat capo in JoJo part 5, though.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

Cleretic posted:

What I'm mostly getting from that is that I should be picturing de Sade as essentially identical to that super fat capo in JoJo part 5, though.

I think that's being unfair to that capo.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Cleretic posted:

What I'm mostly getting from that is that I should be picturing de Sade as essentially identical to that super fat capo in JoJo part 5, though.

He's depicted fairly accurately in The Invisibles by Grant Morrison - a fat asthmatic perverted dwarf.

GB Luxury Hamper
Nov 27, 2002

Absurd Alhazred posted:

The parts that weren't about incest in the collection of Victorian erotica that I bought and subsequently stopped reading and threw away were about adoption for, at best, grooming purposes. :barf:

Haha thanks for reminding me :gonk: , I think the collection I browsed also had plenty of that.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

Megillah Gorilla posted:

He made up a whole 'philosophy' about it called, Libertine - very similar to Libertarianism, only with more paedophilia.

Did not think that was possible

Torquemada
Oct 21, 2010

Drei Gläser

ilmucche posted:

Did not think that was possible

Impossible to contemplate.

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Meaty Ore
Dec 17, 2011

My God, it's full of cat pictures!

Cleretic posted:

What I'm mostly getting from that is that I should be picturing de Sade as essentially identical to that super fat capo in JoJo part 5, though.

I myself always pictured him as essentially identical to the writer from A Clockwork Orange.

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