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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:Safety too I suppose. Like PRNDL on transmissions for example. It would probably help electric cars if all manufacturers adopted *at least* the same size/style charging plug. If not standardized charge rates though I suppose they aren't really "safety things". Late, but my tangentially related safety pet peeve is Chevy vehicles that acknowledge the remote lock by having the brake AND REVERSE lights illuminate for a period of time. Not flash, but loving stay on. Love to be in a parking lot and have to wonder whether a vehicle might back out any second or if it is actually off and unoccupied.
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CommieGIR posted:No, Apple has openly fought standards for years. This goes back to when they pushed Firewire over USB, believing Firewire would win out (it was superior than USB at the time, but USB was more widely adopted). Thank God in heaven they went to lightning and not USB micro. I welcome the day everything is USB-C. Hate micro but have some really great speakers and other things that just work that still use it so will probably have to deal with it for years to come. At this point there has to be a billion lightning cables easily so on one hand you are going to make all of those go in the trash eventually.
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I just had a flashback to serial and parallel ports and broke out in a cold sweat.
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everdave posted:Thank God in heaven they went to lightning and not USB micro. I welcome the day everything is USB-C. Hate micro but have some really great speakers and other things that just work that still use it so will probably have to deal with it for years to come. At this point there has to be a billion lightning cables easily so on one hand you are going to make all of those go in the trash eventually. Lightning is being steadily replaced by Thunderbolt which fully adapted the USB-C standard connector wise, which is why Apple started introducing USB-C/Thunderbolt only for both devices and charging on the Macs. That's part of the whole "Why use a proprietary connector" for Lightning issue: Apple already jumped on the USB-C boat fully, they've only held out on their phones. Even the new Ipads are using USB-C. USB-C also is now offering more things than Lightning like higher charging output (240 watts in the new standard) Apple went off making its own standards completely at odds with every other standard in the world and it makes zero sense. Remember the 30 pin connectors for Ipods? Lightning is gonna go the same way. Lightning was entirely about getting licensing money from third parties vs USB. They didn't innovate anything by doing this. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Jun 9, 2022 16:05
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I opened my new work phone and the cord was USB-C on one side and Lightning on the other. What a stupid cable to give me. Why not just USB C on both ends! They were so close o making the phone more compatible with everything else I own, yet they managed to be worse by making my old apple chargers useless too. Edit: when I heard the news yesterday my immediate thought was thank heavens a government stepped in because there was no way this was ever going to resolve itself. They shouldn't have allowed the exception the first time.
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Jun 9, 2022 16:24
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Lightning is symmetrical and lacks a fragile inner tongue. USB-C offers only one of those features. I’m all for standardizing on a plug, and am fine with it being USB-C, but acting like Lightning offered nothing innovative over Mini/Micro USB is disingenuous.
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Jun 9, 2022 16:25
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Also I had to build a fleet-based tablet solution using Android tablets with microUSB and every single one of the tablets' connectors broke within the first three months. We had to build custom cases with toughened connector shrouds, it was diabolical
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#1, Usb-C is a dumpster fire of different standards wrapped under 1 connector. #2 Lighting was far, FAR superior to micro USB. Yes, it only exists now to allow Apple to make money licensing it, but it’s still a good, reversible design and it’s still easier to clean out than a usb-c socket when it gets packed with lint.
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Frank Dillinger posted:#1, Usb-C is a dumpster fire of different standards wrapped under 1 connector. #2 Lighting was far, FAR superior to micro USB. Yes, it only exists now to allow Apple to make money licensing it, but it’s still a good, reversible design and it’s still easier to clean out than a usb-c socket when it gets packed with lint. Not disagreeing there, but Apple doesn't design good things to improve the world, they do so to wring money out of it which is why it'll never be adopted. If Apple had open sourced these connectors, we'd probably all use them. They shot themselves in the food with a perfectly good design in order to lock people into an ecosystem. As bad as USB-C's connector is, its a connector anyone can use with minimal licensing issues, if any at all. televiper posted:I’m all for standardizing on a plug, and am fine with it being USB-C, but acting like Lightning offered nothing innovative over Mini/Micro USB is disingenuous. That's not what I was saying? The connectors ARE better mechanically. But from a licensing perspective they are near impossible to adopt with ease. USB-C does not have such constraints and while that introduces problems, it also makes it more adoptable. Data Graham posted:Also I had to build a fleet-based tablet solution using Android tablets with microUSB and every single one of the tablets' connectors broke within the first three months. We had to build custom cases with toughened connector shrouds, it was diabolical Yep, Micro USB was a dumpster fire. Even with its flaws, USB-C is massively better.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I just had a flashback to serial and parallel ports and broke out in a cold sweat. Got to make sure those different devices are not using the same IRQ channels across that parallel bus else that 486 ain't going to know its math co processor from it on die cache.
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The comments about making a single standard connector (which I agree with!) reminds me of this:
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Blowjob Overtime posted:Late, but my tangentially related safety pet peeve is Chevy vehicles that acknowledge the remote lock by having the brake AND REVERSE lights illuminate for a period of time. Not flash, but loving stay on. That is so god drat annoying. How much time is wasted in parking lots because someone thinks a GM vehicle is about to back out of a parking space in the next few seconds but in reality the vehicle has only been unlocked. Parallel ports and serial ports are awesome. All connectors should have little screw locks that let you hang the attached device off its cord.
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Yeah but do you guys remember mini usb? That was even worse garbage!
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Cage posted:Yeah but do you guys remember mini usb? That was even worse garbage! A vs B?  Micro was what REALLY sucked, the tongue was so easy to snap off.
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CommieGIR posted:A vs B?
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Uthor posted:The comments about making a single standard connector (which I agree with!) reminds me of this: I forget how many different standards HDMI cables now have but at least the plug is the same shape.  It's a fun game trying to figure out if they'll actually work depending on what era each device is from though when you fire it all up.
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God, I'd forgotten about micro b 3. What was that even for? Anyway, the problem with standards like this is the result always comes down to what gets adopted , as opposed to what's actually best. Like, javascript isn't ubiquitous because it's a great general purpose language. USB-C isn't perfect, and lord knows the rollout was a mess, but it's still a step forward that could have gone a lot worse. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:God, I'd forgotten about micro b 3. What was that even for? Never used one personally but it's similar to this HDMI/control cable setup on an older Cisco video conference setup I've got sat next to me at work. Check this loving monstrosity, good luck finding a replacement! 
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Lake of Methane posted:It appears the Teslatruck will also have a dipshit wheel 
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Blue Footed Booby posted:God, I'd forgotten about micro b 3. What was that even for? I had a Samsung Galaxy S5 (I think) that had that connecter. I hated it as it was really finicky to plug in and I could hardly ever get it blind.
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televiper posted:Lightning is symmetrical and lacks a fragile inner tongue. USB-C offers only one of those features. For some reason my iPhone in 2014 kept arcing the connector and burning up my cables. That was not cool. I have had a low opinion of them ever since. https://talk.macpowerusers.com/t/fixing-lightning-cables-with-black-marks/16073
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BigPaddy posted:Got to make sure those different devices are not using the same IRQ channels across that parallel bus else that 486 ain't going to know its math co processor from it on die cache. Jesus Christ, NWS that poo poo. Cage posted:Yeah but do you guys remember mini usb? That was even worse garbage! It was a lot easier to see which way it was supposed to go, at least. My brand-new Viofo dashcam still uses it. CommieGIR posted:A vs B? Never really understood why they had A and B. Just make the cord A on both ends... That image is also missing the full-sized type B 3.0, with the extra bit at the top. The problem I've seen with USB-C is that some manufacturers (I'm looking at you, Dell) don't make the socket robust enough. That is, they don't beef up the mechanical connection to the motherboard, and the piece of poo poo breaks loose - and of course they put the socket directly on the motherboard, rather than a nice little easily replaceable sub-board. Dell ups the ante by making their USB-C dock connector king-sized (because they wanted to be clever and put a power indicator on the cable end) and making the cable super stiff. I've only had to have few of our company laptops fixed because of this, but that surprised the tech who was doing the repairs, saying he had replaced a *lot* of system boards due to the USB-C socket coming loose. That was on the Latitude 7380 and 7390, 5 and 4 years old now, respectively. They only had the one USB-C, so if it broke, no more dock for you. At least those still had the old-school Dell power socket, so you could still charge. The subsequent models ditched that, but added another USB-C (on the opposite side, which can be useful.) They also seem to be a bit more robustly mounted. So far, anyway. Apple seems to make them hardy enough, and the MacBook Pros have 4, just in case. I do like being able to charge from any of them, on the most convenient side. And yes, to confirm, USB-C charging still works fine on the MagSafe models. I've never bothered to use one of the MagSafes on my imaging bench, just still using the USB-C (which works for all of our current laptops.)
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Blue Footed Booby posted:God, I'd forgotten about micro b 3. What was that even for? External USB-powered hard drives that used a laptop drive. I have several. edit: they're slim and didn't have room for the full-sized 3.0
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Darchangel posted:Never really understood why they had A and B. Just make the cord A on both ends... A is for the host, B is for the device. USB was purposefully designed so you couldn't just buy an A to A and plug one computer into the other. That's why printers always have those chunky Type B connectors. USB-C built in some auto-negotiating smarts, but you run into weird situations where, e.g., your phone might try to charge your laptop if the phone thinks it should be the host. Safety Dance fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I forget how many different standards HDMI cables now have but at least the plug is the same shape. My TV and stereo are more than a decade old and I have no desire to update either because I don't want to buy new cables.
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1534941481500295168?s=21&t=m6WQwa3fAJagp3vzM-gZDg
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Zero One posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1534941481500295168?s=21&t=m6WQwa3fAJagp3vzM-gZDg Between this and tech talent fleeing after Musk's "You must be in the office 40 hours a week" push, good luck Tesla.
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Zero One posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1534941481500295168?s=21&t=m6WQwa3fAJagp3vzM-gZDg Tesla stock reacting completely as suspected when something goes horribly wrong
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Previa_fun posted:full self-driving is just a few years away Next year*! *n+1 where n is the current year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7oZ-AQszEI
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I just had a flashback to serial and parallel ports and broke out in a cold sweat. *whips out ST225 and IDE cards, slams them into the same motherboard, next to a serial/parallel card nestled next to a Soundblaster that also has a Mitsumi CD-ROM controller* Ask yourself... Do I feel lucky? Darchangel posted:It was a lot easier to see which way it was supposed to go, at least. My brand-new Viofo dashcam still uses it. Same with my dashcam (also Viofo, but hardly new at this point). I wound up getting a hardwire kit that uses a micro cable, then a micro to mini adapter at the camera end. I haven't checked to see if the adapter carries data yet - if it does, that will come in very handy if I need to show video to anyone. My head unit has a ~7" screen, and can handle video files over USB. You'd think I would have tested that by now.... Maybe tomorrow.
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KozmoNaut posted:Standardization is good. We need to have common, open and enforced standards. Car makers can't even standardise which side the indicator stalk is on or whether you push the gear stick forward or pull it back to change down a gear (or before that where reverse should go in manual and what sort of lockout to use on it)
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dissss posted:Car makers can't even standardise which side the indicator stalk Like, for turn signals? I've never been in a car where it isn't on the left side. You press the one in my BMW to signal a turn and it pops back to center. You half press it (either direction) to stop the signal. Everyone but me hates it, I think it feels like a motorcycle turn signal!
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It's a RHD thing - European brands (or UK market models from Asian brands) generally have the indicator stalk on the left side, Japanese or Korean brands generally have it on the right hand side. As an example I have a Sonata and a Japanese Leaf - both on the right. My father has an Ioniq EV which was built to UK specs so it has the stalk on the left.
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dissss posted:It's a RHD thing - European brands (or UK market models from Asian brands) generally have the indicator stalk on the left side, Japanese or Korean brands generally have it on the right hand side. Ah! I always wondered that when watching Top Gear.
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Safety Dance posted:A is for the host, B is for the device. USB was purposefully designed so you couldn't just buy an A to A and plug one computer into the other. That's why printers always have those chunky Type B connectors. That makes sense, thanks.
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dissss posted:It's a RHD thing - European brands (or UK market models from Asian brands) generally have the indicator stalk on the left side, Japanese or Korean brands generally have it on the right hand side. Fun times when we started getting diesel Legacy's. Petrol ones came with it on the right, diesels on the left cos UK spec.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Fun times when we started getting diesel Legacy's. Petrol ones came with it on the right, diesels on the left cos UK spec. Yeah it's happened with Toyota (diesel Corolla and Rav4), Honda (Euro Civic hatch) and Hyundai (Ioniq EV and I think the i40) at various times. Holden and Ford are all over the place too but you kind of expect it with them given their general laziness.
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honda whisperer posted:Lol this was basically the start of "American gods" A road head crash is literally the start of Army of the Dead's zombie outbreak. um excuse me posted:I'm frankly conflicted. When major manufacturers started making electric models they all looked like regular cars. Cars look the way they do to fit in the box that powertrain layouts have forced them into. You completely remove those boundaries with electric drivetrains. You can do whatever you want with them and everyone just tried to keep the status quo. Congrats to Tesla understanding that a car does not need to look like a car in many respects, but Jesus can we use a little common sense? They used to do this and everyone mocked electric cars as being weird hippie toys no one wanted to be caught dead in. About the only thing Tesla deserves any credit for is going out of their way to make electric cars the cool new future thing. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Jun 10, 2022 |
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Yeah before Tesla every EV was some budget optimized "city car" garbage with a 20 mile range and some stupid shape that you wouldn't be caught dead in unless you were already a die hard EV zealot. Obviously they didn't sell and the car industry just shrugged and went "there's no market for EVs". Then Tesla came along and showed that you can make a high performance EV with good range that doesn't look like poo poo and people are willing to pay for it. It's funny how they have completely squandered the huge lead they had by trying to cram all of Musk's harebrained ideas into the cars instead of working to make them better where it matters.
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