Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He got a smaller share of the vote than every other modern Republican candidate in both of his elections. He also did worse among black voters than every Republican candidate in modern history, except for the two who ran against Obama. He also presided over hundreds of thousands of domestic deaths, mass civil unrest, wholesale economic collapse, numerous scandals, and an impeachment He still barely lost and got the second largest raw vote total ever
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:He also presided over hundreds of thousands of domestic deaths, mass civil unrest, wholesale economic collapse, numerous scandals, and an impeachment Every single President has gotten the largest raw vote total and the person they beat the second most in every election except for 2016 because that is how population growth works.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I believe you shouldn't make claims like that with such shallow reasoning. The basic fact is he was the president for four years despite looking and sounding like he does and if you're gonna make a claim he was "bad at politics" you should really have some sturdier evidence than this flimsy poo poo, especially since most of it also describes Biden lol Why is the reasoning shallow? It’s far more than you offered in rebuttal. And as far as I know I am allowed to state my impression Trump is unpopular beyond his base and incompetent to boot. His schemes fail, he was surrounded by grifters, he got himself impeached twice. His successes were all due to what Republicans in Congress handed him, mostly through confirmations.
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The Democrats needed to do this by the way. They needed to do this because the Republicans are playing to win and the Democrats clearly aren't. All the respect of decorum and taking the high road in the world won't do poo poo when your opponents are planning on permanently instilling themselves into power. You get that, right?
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Oracle posted:Did you? There a reason you skipped the conclusion? Other than the fact that it completely contradicts your argument. What you linked to was an opinion piece and lists no full, complete, concrete law that supports your argument. Nothing about what you linked to, even the conclusion, supports your argument. It is incredibly clear if you actually read it. He'll, even read the conclusion that you just quoted. It doesn't support your argument with any objectivity. I would say "nice try" but it's not clear that you tried. TheIncredulousHulk posted:So wait, the conclusion from this thing you posted is that there's actually nothing illegal about the president issuing orders to the DoJ and the AG is only "required" to ignore any because of imaginary historical tautology? And you think this strengthens the arguments you've been making today? Exactly this. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) The Sean fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jun 10, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Senate finally confirmed Biden's postal board of Governors nominees two weeks ago. There are technically a majority of the board appointed by Biden now, although one of them is a Republican because of a partisan balance requirement. Related. I did a cost analysis for a friend’s company that wanted to convert postal trucks (LLV’s) to electric and the cost would be less than $10k per given a decent number of conversions. They don’t go far or fast and they make a lot of stops and starts.
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Mail trucks are the ideal case for electrification, they run predictable routes that begin and end at a fixed home base. I hope that lawsuit to block the gas fleet purchase succeeds
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Every single President has gotten the largest raw vote total and the person they beat the second most in every election except for 2016 because that is how population growth works. lol Leon please don't just lie about poo poo like this, your gimmick is getting way too comfortable. 2012 Romney not only didn't top 2008 Obama, but 2012 Obama didn't even beat himself yronic heroism posted:Why is the reasoning shallow? It’s far more than you offered in rebuttal. And as far as I know I am allowed to state my impression Trump is unpopular beyond his base and incompetent to boot. His schemes fail, he was surrounded by grifters, he got himself impeached twice. His successes were all due to what Republicans in Congress handed him, mostly through confirmations. It's actually not far more. They're both just lists of points that imply an argument but don't have any real rigor or connective tissue backing them. In other words, it's not an argument, it's a take The material, provable reality is that he got elected president despite a bunch of handicaps, almost won a second term despite a laundry list of new(and self-inflicted) handicaps, and still has a really good shot of winning in 2024 if he lives that long. I don't see how that's descriptive of someone who's bad at politics outside of winning a primary, which again, was your original claim Broadly speaking though I just think it's a dumb claim to make in general despite how frequently I see liberals aim it at people they're mad at. People say it about Sinema all the time too, despite her easily outmaneuvering her intraparty opponents to the point that the biggest Democrat cheerleaders now spend all their time insisting that party leadership is simply powerless to control her
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yronic heroism posted:he got himself impeached twice. What was the meaningful impact of this again? Describe the meaningful impact like you would to someone who isn’t terminally decorum brained. Because he’s the front runner for 2024 Republican nominee, giving him the chance to run the country again.
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haveblue posted:Mail trucks are the ideal case for electrification, they run predictable routes that begin and end at a fixed home base. I hope that lawsuit to block the gas fleet purchase succeeds Conversion would have a way lower carbon impact than manufacturing new EV’s too., Also because of the use pattern you get away with less pricy, more durable, abet lower energy density batteries.
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Fister Roboto posted:Why do we need a perfectly neutral arbiter to determine who is actually a fascist or not? I want the people who are trying to kill people and crush human rights to stop, and I want that done by any means necessary. I don't give a single poo poo if that somehow sets a precedent that allows the fascists to purge people, because guess what? They're going to do that poo poo anyway when they have power. There's numerous practical, philosophical and ethical reasons why you'd want to have some sort of due process attached beyond "just permanently purge anyone the president doesn't like, without even the slightest hint of oversight or restraint". It's not even just a matter of "what if the fascists get back in power" - there's a whole lot of rough edges that come out if you think for a minute about "how would this function in the real world". If we're talking real political advice and not just idealistic dreaming, it's worth thinking about that at least a little bit. What if some non-fascists accidentally (or not so accidentally) get on the purge list? If there's no arbiter and no due process and no recourse for those affected, then they're just hosed over. And why stop at just accidental abuses? Let's not forget that the current Democratic leadership isn't exactly a bunch of progressives. What if President Joe Biden decides he's going to use this "purge anyone with politics the president considers dangerous" power against socialists too? There's plenty of precedent in US law and history for declaring socialists to be a danger to American democracy. Without any checks on the power, there's nothing to restrain him from doing it to whoever he wants. And even if he doesn't go hog wild with it, anyone who isn't a direct political ally of Joe Biden and the Democratic leadership will (with good reason) fear the potential abuse of the power and push back strongly against it. Unless the system is considerably limited to restrain its use and provide lots of checks on its power, it'll be a political own goal that drives a bipartisan pushback against the administration, a blatant overreach that'll get everyone else in politics feeling threatened, and turn the undecided voters sympathetic for the plight of those poor persecuted Trump supporters. These kinds of emergency disenfranchisement powers have, historically, been quite often abused, after all. Maybe that could be avoided if the Dems had clear majority political support for purges. Say, perhaps, to the point that they could get a bill for it through the Senate. Hell, even Adolf loving Hitler - the poster boy for brutal dictators - got legislative approval via majority vote before he enacted the Reichstag Fire Decree and started jailing those violent political movements that he insisted were dangerous terrorists who threatened the government and needed to be dealt with by any means. But I don't think the Dems have that much support. And going authoritarian with neither public support nor political support is quite unlikely. How many generals do you think would line up behind the president unilaterally suspending the Constitution and conducting mass political purges? I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of US military leaders, but I have a feeling the answer to that question is "not nearly enough".
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Velocity Raptor posted:There's lots of hand-wringing about how it will look if Trump gets prosecuted by the DOJ due to the department's proximity of the president, but it all kind of misses the point that there was an attempted coup on our government, and it was allegedly orchestrated by the president who was voted out and his cronies. Jaxyon posted:See? Interesting how deciding to not nip these things in the bud from the beginning always ends up biting the country in the rear end later on. Mueller's biography should be titled "To Jan 6, from Russia, with Love". Anyone else feeling a little Déjà vu right now? quote:Democrats' 'Battered Wife Syndrome' -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Every single President has gotten the largest raw vote total and the person they beat the second most in every election except for 2016 because that is how population growth works. With the current trends that's not going to last so long.
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We already have purge lists with no oversight or recourse, the various terror-related watchlists created by the Patriot Act. Should we round up everyone on these lists and imprison them or ban them from government service, just in case?
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Main Paineframe posted:There's numerous practical, philosophical and ethical reasons why you'd want to have some sort of due process attached beyond "just permanently purge anyone the president doesn't like, without even the slightest hint of oversight or restraint". It's not even just a matter of "what if the fascists get back in power" - there's a whole lot of rough edges that come out if you think for a minute about "how would this function in the real world". If we're talking real political advice and not just idealistic dreaming, it's worth thinking about that at least a little bit. Yeah, that sounds it could possibly lead to pretty bad things, but still less bad than letting the fascists have their way. We're far past the point where we have many realistic alternatives. Inaction is just going to make things worse.
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A big flaming stink posted:The Democrats needed to do this by the way. They needed to do this because the Republicans are playing to win and the Democrats clearly aren't. All the respect of decorum and taking the high road in the world won't do poo poo when your opponents are planning on permanently instilling themselves into power. Needed to do what, exactly? why are you emptyquoting me? I don't even know what you're talking about as a result.
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Oracle posted:Needed to do what, exactly? why are you emptyquoting me? I don't even know what you're talking about as a result. You quoted my post in that post. The action needed was skullfucking Trump and his enablers (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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A big flaming stink posted:You quoted my post in that post. The action needed was skullfucking Trump and his enablers Ah, thanks for the clarification. Realize you can copy/paste your quote and nest it so that next time I know what you're talking about instead of having to clutter up the thread with this back and forth to figure it out. Siccing the DOJ on Trump and his supporters isn't about decorum, taking the high road, or whatever other made up excuse you want to ascribe because you're starting from a conclusion and working your way back to supporting it. Its illegal and undermines the very democratic process Trump himself was trying to subvert. I will also note the DOJ has been steadily investigating Jan 6th the whole time and indeed a grand jury just indicted five people for seditious conspiracy, joining eleven Oathkeepers who were indicted for the same earlier, which is as close as you can get to a treason accusation in the United States with the way the Constitution is written. Three of those Oathkeepers and one of the Proud Boys have already pleaded guilty and turned states' evidence. From the article: quote:PFEIFFER: These charges come as the House committee that's investigating January 6 prepares for its first public hearings. Is it clear whether that influenced the timing today?
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Oracle posted:Siccing the DOJ on Trump and his supporters isn't about decorum, taking the high road, or whatever other made up excuse you want to ascribe because you're starting from a conclusion and working your way back to supporting it. Its illegal and undermines the very democratic process Trump himself was trying to subvert. You yourself literally posted something saying explicitly that it isn't illegal
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Fister Roboto posted:Yeah, that sounds it could possibly lead to pretty bad things, but still less bad than letting the fascists have their way. We're far past the point where we have many realistic alternatives. Inaction is just going to make things worse. It would absolutely let the fascists have their way. Any cases would be rightfully tossed out of court and you'd have mass prosecutor resignations because what is being argued for is illegal.
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Oracle posted:Needed to do what, exactly? why are you emptyquoting me? I don't even know what you're talking about as a result. FYI, you can click/tap your username at the top of the quote container to take you to that post. Because your post was also an emptyquote there is nothing to be quoted — they would need to go around the forums software and manually add what you quoted.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:What was the meaningful impact of this again? You omit the context of the quote where it is specifically cited as an example of his incompetence. He didn’t want to get impeached. He was specifically warned that his dumbass impulses would get him impeached. He proceeded with dumbass impulses and got impeached. It’s like touching a hot stove after being warned. And then doing it a second time.
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yronic heroism posted:You omit the context of the quote where it is specifically cited as an example of his incompetence. He didn’t want to get impeached. He was specifically warned that his dumbass impulses would get him impeached. He proceeded with dumbass impulses and got impeached. It’s like touching a hot stove after being warned. And then doing it a second time. This implies the only reason why Trump failed was due to incompetence and is unrelated to Biden ensuring that Merrick Garland actually does his job. Fart Amplifier posted:It would absolutely let the fascists have their way. Any cases would be rightfully tossed out of court and you'd have mass prosecutor resignations because what is being argued for is illegal. If there is one thing fascist sympathizers love, its making excuses and enabling fascists. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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The Sean posted:What you linked to was an opinion piece and lists no full, complete, concrete law that supports your argument. Nothing about what you linked to, even the conclusion, supports your argument. It is incredibly clear if you actually read it. He'll, even read the conclusion that you just quoted. It doesn't support your argument with any objectivity. I would say "nice try" but it's not clear that you tried. Just for everyone to know, The Sean is now threadbanned in USCE, and wanted me to quote him and tell everyone this.
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GoutPatrol posted:Just for everyone to know, The Sean is now threadbanned in USCE, and wanted me to quote him and tell everyone this. I mean, they were threadbanned a week ago; it's odd that they're getting less punishment for choosing to violate the ban.
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Discendo Vox posted:I mean, they were threadbanned a week ago; it's odd that they're getting less punishment for choosing to violate the ban. But they did get punished. Not even a sixer, the worst of all punishments. So let's move on.
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The countrys more divided than ever!
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Fart Amplifier posted:It would absolutely let the fascists have their way. Any cases would be rightfully tossed out of court and you'd have mass prosecutor resignations because what is being argued for is illegal. What is actually being argued for? Because it seems like one side wants Biden to direct the DOJ to prosecute people for extremely blatant crimes that they have definitely committed and the other side is strawmanning it into "oh so you just want Biden to go after all his political enemies huh??" Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand...ingawful.com%2F Given railing against the abuses of Saudia Arabia was fairly important in Biden's campaigning, what's the excuse for this? Just another damning indictment of a failure of a "centrist" presidency. I had low standards for the Biden presidency. Not cuddling up with Saudi Arabia was down there with expectations but this is loving disgusting. The beacon of international press freedom my loving rear end. ex post facho fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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ex post facho posted:https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand...ingawful.com%2F
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FlamingLiberal posted:They want the Saudis to pump more oil
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ex post facho posted:https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand...ingawful.com%2F (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Timeless Appeal posted:Yeah and to be clear, the Saudis have been warming over to Putin and playing coy with their oil supplies. They've been fishing for this.
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What would it take to make things meaningfully better regarding our systems, culture, and impact on climate? Sincere question in addition to being a statement, i know we cant expect to have the "right" answer. My pachinko train of logic sees no possible outcome under these power structures and cultural/electoral trends. We're kicking something awful down the road, and with little intention and increasingly less ability to stop. something awful
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The Saudis are alright. They know how to what was that jack?
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ex post facho posted:https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand...ingawful.com%2F Because if China actually manages to establish a viable alternative to the petrodollar that is the end of American hegemony, full stop. Edit for context: KSA has been toying with the idea of letting China buy oil in Yuan tgacon fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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tgacon posted:Because if China actually manages to establish a viable alternative to the petrodollar that is the end of American hegemony, full stop. Inshallah
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Because Biden has to do something about gas prices to have any hope of retaining power. Probably still going to lose though.
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If only Biden used the power of the pen and blasted out a billion executive orders and made America actually great again. Too much work the office of the president is not powerful enough (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Best Friends posted:I fully expected us to be in an a actual economic boom by now. I did not expect global political and economic leadership to witness ongoing disruptions to the global supply chains and just say “seems fine.” The long term answer to the supply chain crisis and capacity problems at US terminals is a National Port Authority patterned after the v state level examples we have in say Georgia or Virginia . The powers and policy wonks that be in the maritime industry believe instead that the free market and private companies will solve the problem that they have been failing to address for at-least two decades. I know this because I’ve explicitly discussed it with some of them. They also didn’t see demand destruction and a recession coming. Ideology is a hell of a drug.
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