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Feldegast42 posted:Isn't muddy beach with overcast lighting exactly how Path of Exile starts I just played POE last night with a low level character and yes
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Orc Priest posted:One thing this game was supposed to be doing that looked really interesting was the rune system. Runes words were composed of an effect rune and an activation rune. You could mix and match to make your own runeword effect. This had a massive amount of potential and I thought it was going to be the core tenet of itemization. Unfortunately they haven't said a word about runes in years so it's anybody's guess whether they are still in the game or if they've been scrapped. quote:Bone skills are relatively physical in nature, and thus benefit more heavily from effects such as Critical Strike. (Also, they choose Bone Spirit to exemplify these "relatively physical" skills which is... a choice, for sure.)
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bio347 posted:There's a line in the quarterly update that I just find fascinating: Well, bones are spiky, so, you know and they're most critical since nearly everyone has them
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So I’ve tried Wizard, Crusader, DH, and Necro to at least level 5 so far but holy poo poo Necro is busted. At least at low levels, is it just me or do they get insane AoE damage?
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Necro at low level is just really busted, this is doubly true on season starts with the challenge rift bonus bag.
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Jun 15, 2022 06:05
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Ok, that makes sense. Wizard was pretty fun, too. But being able to use the corpses is insane.
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Necro has a huge leg-up because Corpse Explosion means they get a powerful AOE at something like level 3, and even Skeletal Mages are a lot more powerful than any spender other classes have at that level because you can summon multiples of them. A Crusader has to wait until something like level 12 before they get Blessed Hammer, and ditto for a Demon Hunter's Chakram. It's especially irritating when your first Rift Guardian ever is Iskandiel and you don't have a piercing/penetrating attack and you keep getting hung up on the summoned skeletons.
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Speaking of Crusader, if the class comes back in Diablo 4 I hope they completely rework it. D3 crusader was boring as hell. I didn't play Lost Ark for long but their Paladin was super fun.
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Cursed chest farming ends up quicker than rifts to 70, especially if you're good at maintaining a massacre bonus as you walk in there.
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All that footage looks really good but it also looks really slow compared to what I've become accustomed to in D3. It looks like early game D2. I hope D4 isn't too graphically demanding to have zooming around the map at ludicrous speeds during the late game.
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Orc Priest posted:Speaking of Crusader, if the class comes back in Diablo 4 I hope they completely rework it. D3 crusader was boring as hell. I didn't play Lost Ark for long but their Paladin was super fun. I actually saw an interesting yt comment that mentioned how there aren't any "holy" classes in D4 and were wondering if thats a lore/story reason.
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I’d kind of like it if the setting of Diablo 4 is “Heaven is dead, Hell won, the game takes place in the post apocalyptic aftermath of the war for heaven & hell” Anyways, beta registration for D4 is live, I’ve signed up, go sign up
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Tokubetsu posted:I actually saw an interesting yt comment that mentioned how there aren't any "holy" classes in D4 and were wondering if thats a lore/story reason. Eh, maybe? I'm not exactly steeped in Diablo lore but one of the big deals is how the Paladins of D2 fame basically got corrupted from within by mephisto iirc. The whole of act 3 in D2 is basically you going to Diablo's version of the Vatican City and wrecking poo poo because it's infested with demon-worshiping, human-sacrificing assholes. When you hear people going on about "Zakarum has fallen!" that's what they're talking about. The crusaders were an oddbally offshoot of the paladins that went and did their own thing in the far east or far west or whatever the big directional "over there" is in the diablo world so they weren't really part of that and then get to be all surprised pikachu when they show up back in town for D3. edit: my personal take is that they're just holding back a crusader/paladin class for the inevitable expansion (or just straight DLC if they're being lovely) a la Necro in D3. Necro and Paladin are both fan favorites so it makes sense that they would follow the D3 pattern of launch with one, introduce the other in the expansion.
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Paladin's kinda an odd one as at least in D2 it was ostensibly a support class but I think I remember them saying they don't really want a support class. I wonder how that's gonna shake out and whether there's any kind of support skills at all. The monk reveal trailer from D3 was the coolest poo poo at the time. A neat combination of support stuff and assassin speediness. And exploding palm just seemed incredibly neat.
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Yeah, support classes are dumb in an arpg. They're not MMO's, you really need to be able to clear content yourself. The multiplayer aspect is more about adding more uber-badass god players striding the land to take down the giant huge enemy with crazy stats or whatever.
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If D4 is going to have a group meta in the same spirit as D3 then in a perfect world I'd like to see every class have at least one support build and no one support roll be pigeonholed to a single class, ala zBarb. But also every class needs to be fully self sufficient, yeah.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, support classes are dumb in an arpg. They're not MMO's, you really need to be able to clear content yourself. The multiplayer aspect is more about adding more uber-badass god players striding the land to take down the giant huge enemy with crazy stats or whatever.
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Bust Rodd posted:I’d kind of like it if the setting of Diablo 4 is “Heaven is dead, Hell won, the game takes place in the post apocalyptic aftermath of the war for heaven & hell” I've been thinking about what I like about the tone of Diablo 2 versus 3 and I think it's not the lack of colorful art direction- its this. In D2 the world has mostly reached a steady state. Everything is bad for the NPCs, most of them have very little hope for a better future, and even the victories you win in each act aren't that significant relative to the overall threat. In D3 the catastrophes are still ongoing, so everyone either thinks they/you can just explode all the skeletons and get things back to normal or they suddenly lose hope right before they're eaten by a monster. You don't get that sense that everyone has been worn down until they're just barely hanging on.
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Releasing a Monk//Crusader Holy Character pack would be an ultra EZ pick up from me, maybe some kind of epic Act 5 xpansion where we go to Heaven and kill God?
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tetsuo posted:zDPS builds are real and fun to play. A pure support class with no soloing option would be dumb though. they take way less time to keep up with compared to being a dps, too
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The design where all classes can fight but all have different support skills they can bring to the party is still a good one imho. In D2 necro brought curses, pallies brought auras, barbs brought shouts, etc.
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Khorne posted:zdps are the reason I played d3 as long as I did I miss the good ole days with Inferno when everyone was zdps. In all seriousness, back when seasons were still fresh and popular, it was pretty awesome when new zdps builds were being organically developed for every class by the playerbase. Every season new metas were discovered often unintentionally rather than from reading patch notes setting arbitrary numbers to 10,000% or whatever. Good times.
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Holy spells would have to be bright! You can't have everything being dark and washed out with that poo poo flying around. Lack of a crusader or paladin also pretty much removes the heaily-armoured shield-user archetype from D4, which is a huge shame. The holy, shielded juggernaut smashing demons and undead is a good look.
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every Paladin ability casting its own light would be a killer application of RT effects
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Try to follow me on this, but what if the holiness? That's right, it's corrupted 
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Feldegast42 posted:The design where all classes can fight but all have different support skills they can bring to the party is still a good one imho. In D2 necro brought curses, pallies brought auras, barbs brought shouts, etc. Sorc enchant, druid oak sage, and I guess questionably amazon with inner sight/slow missile. Does assassin have a group perk?
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DARPA posted:Does assassin have a group perk? the Psychic Hammer / Cloak of Shadows / Mind Blast path, if you squint real hard
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DARPA posted:Sorc enchant, druid oak sage, and I guess questionably amazon with inner sight/slow missile. Technically cloak of shadows.
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DARPA posted:Sorc enchant, druid oak sage, and I guess questionably amazon with inner sight/slow missile.
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Trapping enemies with CC is pretty good
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y'all have no god drat idea how good Cloak of Shadows, Dim Vision, and Slow Missiles are
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I also really dont want another turret sentry dh style thing in this. That season or couple seasons where turret DH was like the build if you wanted to stop rifts was horrible for me. Just so stupid, I hate it on principle. I'm not playing an ARPG to drop turrets.
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Tokubetsu posted:I also really dont want another turret sentry dh style thing in this. That season or couple seasons where turret DH was like the build if you wanted to stop rifts was horrible for me. Just so stupid, I hate it on principle. I'm not playing an ARPG to drop turrets. There's a ton of builds for each class. Play a different build or class? You're not forced into playing something you don't like.  I agree that marauders isn't really that fun and clunky, though.
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Suburban Dad posted:There's a ton of builds for each class. Play a different build or class? You're not forced into playing something you don't like. It felt super weird to play traps in POE and D2 because traps are really just offensive spells with a weird delay. It doesn't feel right for a gotta go fast game. In a game about holding points like Dungeon Defenders sure.
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Suburban Dad posted:There's a ton of builds for each class. Play a different build or class? You're not forced into playing something you don't like. I mean I did, im just saying it sucks because DH are cool and sentries are antithesis of cool. Diablo should be prioritizing cool at all times.
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Did you also feel this way about lightning trap assassins in d2? For some reason those felt a bit cooler than sentries to me.
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Anything that doesn't have me flying at warp 9 deleting entire screens of mobs is a failure of a build.
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bio347 posted:Holy spells would have to be bright! You can't have everything being dark and washed out with that poo poo flying around. Elden Ring has taught us the heavily armored shield user is a trap and the one true path is dual wielding. Barbarian dual wielding giant hammers/axes in heavy armor should serve a sufficient role. Plus sword and board the barbarian I guess? Then again, barbarian canon is a shirtless person carving a path through on anger alone. No heavily strength needed.
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A defensively minded playstyle just isn't compatible with a lot of ARPG principles. You can keep the theme but there's some arm-twisting involved in making it work as far as being able to delete screens of enemies while zipping at max speed like everyone else
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