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Ah, yes, Elon. Noted moderate, Ron DeSantis. Biden is the practical definition and mold for a centrist/moderate. I don't know what planet I'm living on where Joe loving Biden is seen as a far left radical but that's the framing and a lot of people believe it. I wish the dems would run an actual far left candidate (or candidates) since I've been hearing for 20 years now that people like Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama and Joe Biden are "the most liberal candidate ever on every issue". Then why were the candidates I supported (who lost) much further to the left of them? Doesn't matter who the dems run. They could trot Joe Manchin or Sinema out there in 2024 and FOX News and talk radio would point out how radical they are. Same with SOCTUS judges. Every dem nominee is the most socialist activist commie ever and soft on crime.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Elon Musk says he will be forming a Super PAC to support "Moderate candidates from both parties" and to support Ron DeSantis for President. He didn't specify how much of his own money he would be putting into it or how much he would be raising from other people. Can’t wait to see even more insufferable tech bros blindly follow Musk around and help vote in psychopath. Figures he’d go “centrist” so that no one has the balls to clamp down on his clownshoes poo poo and wants to keep people away from looking at Tesla’s safety issues.
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BiggerBoat posted:Biden is the practical definition and mold for a centrist/moderate. I don't know what planet I'm living on where Joe loving Biden is seen as a far left radical but that's the framing and a lot of people believe it. I wish the dems would run an actual far left candidate (or candidates) since I've been hearing for 20 years now that people like Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama and Joe Biden are "the most liberal candidate ever on every issue". Then why were the candidates I supported (who lost) much further to the left of them? They weren't. Biden is entirely marching to Sanders' and especially AOC's orders (because following a non-white woman is more woke, Bernie doesn't check enough boxes for a good hate target). That's the GOP narrative.
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Some suspicious security video from 1/6. https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1537075019918065666?s=20&t=jJ39avGP6qdgkfWGUmZETw EDIT: Musk voted for a GOP lunatic (who won) and then tweeted this. So he's committed to getting a new source of adoration, from Republicans. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1536973965394157569?s=20&t=jJ39avGP6qdgkfWGUmZETw Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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The Dems could nominate the ghost of Reagan and the GOP would call him a socialist menace
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Elon just devouring that hand that fed him.
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Push El Burrito posted:Elon just devouring that hand that fed him. If there are no consequences for doing so, why not?
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i complained a few days back about Biden failing to act in response to anti-trans legislation. here's another great example: https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1537014456839983106 sure would be nice if we had a president that was willing to take effective action beyond sending some stern letters
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Elon Musk says he will be forming a Super PAC to support "Moderate candidates from both parties" and to support Ron DeSantis for President. He didn't specify how much of his own money he would be putting into it or how much he would be raising from other people. Yang is in Musk's replies openly sucking up to him, it's a real treat. https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1537075308620394498 https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1537074288804634624 He's also mimicking Elon's tweets now - this one's an obvious knock off of Musk's "who do you trust more, politicians or billionaires" tweet. https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1537094223358578689
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Dick Trauma posted:Some suspicious security video from 1/6. Man, that's truly an impressive number of undercover ANtifa operatives.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:i complained a few days back about Biden failing to act in response to anti-trans legislation. here's another great example: There isn't really anything they can do to significantly lower gas prices in the short term. I don't know if it is better politically to send out impotent letters to make it seem like you are trying or to just admit that there isn't much you can do. But, they seem to have gone with #1. There are lots of other issues where he has failed to act within his power, but in terms of gas prices, the only things that could make a difference in the short-term would be tiny things like suspending the gas tax (which would see a chunk of the savings go to the gas stations and oil companies) or to just dump the entire U.S. strategic petroleum reserve into the market at once. They are already releasing large chunks of the reserve every week through August. The other thing they could do is get most of the global refineries to eat higher costs. But, that would take a lot of coordination from other countries/groups - including Russia, China, Iran, OPEC, etc. - and wouldn't be a quick fix. Even if he had the ability and will to just have American refineries run as non-profits, it would only impact a small amount of the global refinery process and a small amount of the current price. You have to drastically increase supply or drastically reduce global demand quickly to have a short-term impact. There's not really a good way to do that quickly.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There isn't really anything they can do to significantly lower gas prices in the short term. what aboutthe price controls enacted by nixon in 1970s? e: or hell, these companies drill on federal land. why cant we leverage that to our advantage? "you want these primo drilling leases? better play ball jack" would be nice. i find it hard to believe that the full force of the federal government is powerless to apply pressure to these oil companies. BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jun 15, 2022 |
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The supply and demand problem is only going to get worse too. You'd have to get about 21% of the world who use cars to start biking as their primary mode of transportation to reduce demand for oil next year. Or find a way to reduce global consumption of all petroleum products by about 15%. Demand is rising so high that even a massive global recession wouldn't be enough for supply to outpace demand in 2023. Most of the world had a chance to try and transition away during the last 30 years or so. But, they chose not to for various reasons. And India/China obviously don't think it is fair or desirable to slow down their economic growth by cutting back after the rest of the world had decades of cheap energy to grow their economy. https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1536990116052443136 https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1537012087645429762
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Suppliers wont help with that because they want to ride the higher profits because there isn't much time left for them to do that with the inevitable global shift towards renewables. But that is going to be a painstakingly slow process that will hurt the working class the most. Seems like a great time to take this as an incentive to improve public transit. If only someone would pivot to that, but everything is more important than everything else.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:what aboutthe price controls enacted by nixon in 1970s? The big problems with that are: 1) It was back when the Bretton Woods system still existed. With the U.S. dollar as a global floating fiat currency, the government can't ban the world from converting the dollar to gold or other currencies anymore. And other countries aren't forced to recognize fixed convertibility rates any more. 2) It only lasted for about 3 months and was starting to crack because crude oil sales were starting to the leave the U.S. The current supply/demand imbalance is definitely going to last a lot longer and you will start to get the major problems (shortages, unemployment, rising import costs) that happen when you extend it long-term. 3) Part of Nixon's deal with those controls was a flat 10% tariff on all foreign goods to try and prevent mass unemployment in the U.S. from the controls. Adding another flat 10% in cost to almost all other products outside of gas would cause a lot of problems too and increase inflation overall. Nixon's price controls didn't actually solve the long-term problem and the U.S. still experienced stagflation for another 9 years afterwards.
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This is part of why US Administrations since the 80s have been so keen to be buddy buddy with the Saudis. More than any other actor, they're able to influence global oil prices. The issue is partly MBS has blown through a lot of goodwill and can't see the long game, which is that keep prices too high only speeds up his own irrelevancy.
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Morrow posted:This is part of why US Administrations since the 80s have been so keen to be buddy buddy with the Saudis. More than any other actor, they're able to influence global oil prices.
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Intellectually I know that high gas prices are awful and hit people in poverty the worst, but emotionally, I can't help but hope that gas prices continue to go up. It feels like we are never, ever going to transition away from fossil fuels and plastics so long as they remain affordable.
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Morrow posted:This is part of why US Administrations since the 80s have been so keen to be buddy buddy with the Saudis. More than any other actor, they're able to influence global oil prices. Saudi oil isn't even a dominant amount of the global supply anymore. They are about 10% - a large amount for a single relatively small country, but 90% of the global supply is coming from elsewhere. That's another part of the "problem," about 40% of the rest of the world wants more oil, electricity, and growth. And it is harder and harder to coordinate global solutions when the production is split between so many entities. It's also part of the reason why OPEC exists. Although, OPEC is less than half of all global production now too. The world had a while to make the transition. It would have been painful, but it is going to get more painful the longer we wait. Unless we find a hidden supply of oil that is cheap to extract or half the world starts cutting their petroleum product use by at least a quarter in a single year (in other words, not happening). That's not even getting into the longer term environmental problems.
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VikingofRock posted:Intellectually I know that high gas prices are awful and hit people in poverty the worst, but emotionally, I can't help but hope that gas prices continue to go up. It feels like we are never, ever going to transition away from fossil fuels and plastics so long as they remain affordable. Conservatives weren't "wrong" when they blasted various plans over the years to rely less on petroleum as "increasing energy prices." They absolutely would have increased energy prices. But, the point was to slowly increase the prices while transitioning to other energy sources. Those new sources would be more expensive than gas for a while (possibly forever), but you wouldn't be beholden to the price of a single commodity. Now, the price is surging and it makes it even harder to transition because you have to do it under very unfavorable price circumstances, your entire economy is reliant on it, and you can't do it quickly. Yeah, it sucks to pay 25% for your energy bill generated by renewable energy, but you're paying 50% more for gasoline and 30% more for heating right now + it was a rapid spike in price. It could have been a more consistent increase that also had indirect environmental and monetary benefits.
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Dick Trauma posted:Some suspicious security video from 1/6. I saw that the committee has already interviewed the man with the sharpened flagpole who was threatening people that was part of this "tour", but is that Gaetz appearing @ 2:25 in the video?
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Jarmak posted:This is a whole lot of text to say that people have individual personal interests that they place above the organizational goals. Basically, Josef bugman posted:Telling people who are looking to aggrandise themselves is not everyone. Especially not if it's coming from within organisations. You are convincing yourself that the narrative you already believe, and that the article is trying to advance, is reality. What is actually happening is this(in both progressive advocacy and for-profit) 1) Some major poo poo happens(George Floyd, etc) 2) Organization makes half-hearted attempt to address this 3) People actually doing the work point out the problems and bring up that leadership is not really listening and doing the correct thing 4) Leadership complains that people pointing out the mistakes of leadership are the real problem, and distracting from the goals of leadership It's exactly how most DEI committes in workplaces go. It recurs in NFP advocacy groups because they're run by the same people who would be in management in the for-profit space, and it breaks down for the same reasons.
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Oh also lol at the idea that DeSantis represents a "moderate" to any business owner who is not significantly right-wing, after the whole thing with Disney being punished by the government for begrudgingly acknowledging that gay people exist. (Not that I really think Elon has thought this through for more than 5 seconds.)
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Sir Lemming posted:Oh also lol at the idea that DeSantis represents a "moderate" to any business owner who is not significantly right-wing, after the whole thing with Disney being punished by the government for begrudgingly acknowledging that gay people exist. Elon is just fash and using his clout to try to build up the brand of other fash as "moderate". Left, right, and moderate don't mean anything anymore in the general discourse beyond "moderate is good and other things are bad" so you use that to try to convince that the name for fash policies is "moderate".
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A rich white south african who thinks a screeching fascist racist is moderate? I am shocked (yes i'm aware he's trying to launder fascists as moderates)
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Gumball Gumption posted:Elon is just fash and using his clout to try to build up the brand of other fash as "moderate". Left, right, and moderate don't mean anything anymore in the general discourse beyond "moderate is good and other things are bad" so you use that to try to convince that the name for fash policies is "moderate". If you look at the people who push Third Way, this Andrew Yang thing, etc those people are almost entirely on the right or the far right. But they think they’re ‘moderate’ for various reasons.
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is it doomerism to be fearful that Musk is going to activate another group of "economic Anxiety" men? like christ I just want Musk to OD and stfu forever.
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PhazonLink posted:is it doomerism to be fearful that Musk is going to activate another group of "economic Anxiety" men? I don't think he can activate a group that would not be otherwise activated by any other right-wing initiative, so there's that
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BiggerBoat posted:Ah, yes, Elon. Noted moderate, Ron DeSantis. For those who aren't aware, DeSantis is a founder of the Freedom Caucus.
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PhazonLink posted:is it doomerism to be fearful that Musk is going to activate another group of "economic Anxiety" men? Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if he saw himself as the spiritual heir of JPMorgan Jr. or duPont, with some dipshit like Mike Flynn as his Smedley Butler in a new Business Plot. But also he's dumb as poo poo and has zero follow through on anything ever, so it's probably fine
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Yeah I’m not remotely scared of Musk He is the epitome of the guy who thinks he’s way smarter than he actually is (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Fetterman is getting more rectangular every time I see a picture of him. By election day he's going to be a Thwomp.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:what aboutthe price controls enacted by nixon in 1970s? quote:After the initial ninety days, the controls were gradually relaxed and the system seemed to be working. But unemployment was not declining, and the administration launched a more expansionary policy.
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For those who have either been saying that Biden should have been making EOs in support of LGBT+ issues, or that he could not do that, here you go!quote:WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden will sign an executive order Wednesday to offer new initiatives for the LGBTQ community, including addressing conversion therapy and expanding resources for mental health.
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paranoid randroid posted:Fetterman is getting more rectangular every time I see a picture of him. By election day he's going to be a Thwomp. Fetterman is merely gathering the energy of Pennslyvania into himself He's up 9 points solely on the fact that someone looking at him can just say "yes this man is from Pennslyvania"
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https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1537136174266974208 DeSantis, classy as always. Between this and some of the open transphobia MTG's been dropping lately (such as claiming that tampon shortages are caused by letting trans people use their preferred bathrooms, or making wiener-chopping jokes with Milo), I kind of feel like they've been ramping up the open offensiveness lately for the election cycle.
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Main Paineframe posted:(such as claiming that tampon shortages are caused by letting trans people use their preferred bathrooms Say what now? What's the logic behind that claim?
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PT6A posted:Say what now? There is no logic behind that claim. It's bigotry. Don't ever assume bigotry has logic. However, their explanation for it is that institutions are stocking tampons in boys bathrooms. Presumably next to the Furry litterboxes.
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i mean technicial racism is a type of logic is just mostly evil bullshit bad. Also she's doing stuff with Milo? I thought he was fading into nothingness and under a poo poo ton of debt.
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