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The Shortest Path posted:Gavin Verhey is a massive charlatan and what he has done at and for Wizards is deeply unethical even by the absurdly low standards of an American corporation. Your branding of people in the past has been notoriously dangerously hyperbolic so maybe dial it down??
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The Shortest Path posted:I'm sorry that you want to believe these wizards employees are your friends instead of people trying to sell you poo poo. 
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Jun 18, 2022 18:18
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TheKingofSprings posted:Your branding of people in the past has been notoriously dangerously hyperbolic so maybe dial it down?? What on earth are you talking about lol I'm just saying what is plainly obvious to anyone who has looked at the trend in commander products and watches some commander content: Gavin gets toted as the guy on the inside who wants what's best for players and tries really hard to make stuff better for us, both via his public facing presentation and by channels like The Command Zone who are paid advertisers for wizards, and then he doesn't actually do that at all and constantly pushes garbage product as good often by lying about how good cards are, overhyping future projects that aren't actually that great, etc. His entire persona is a marketing tactic.
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Jun 18, 2022 18:25
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Jun 18, 2022 18:29
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Lone Goat posted:I thought we had a Commander Containment Thread so these unhinged rants didn't seep out into public Nah we actually discuss the game there, it's not the incessant smug slap fight this thread is
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Jun 18, 2022 18:43
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The Shortest Path posted:I'm sorry that you want to believe these wizards employees are your friends instead of people trying to sell you poo poo. The Shortest Path posted:What on earth are you talking about lol
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Jun 18, 2022 18:46
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Gavin is on Twitter trying to convince people that karoo lands, which are being reprinted in the new set, are actually good. He is doing this like he always does in his role of the fun friendly commander guy at wizards who wants everyone to have a good time. These cards are actually bad, and I am claiming that he's talking out his rear end to try to get people to spend money on overpriced garbage, something he has a history of doing since he started working at Wizards. E: to clarify I am talking about this solely in the context of commander, which is also where Gavin was talking about them. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Jun 18, 2022 18:54
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The bounce lands are good in pauper and crucial to amulet titan in modern, and the new art is cool
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Jun 18, 2022 18:59
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Silhouette posted:The bounce lands are good in pauper and crucial to amulet titan in modern, and the new art is cool I agree! I forgot about pauper but they are definitely important there, and the new art is great
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Jun 18, 2022 19:01
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is it possible that the guy likes the cards and just thinks they're better than you do, instead of being this malevolent entity hurting you personally by picking a moderate power level land to put into a precon
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Jun 18, 2022 19:05
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flatluigi posted:is it possible that the guy likes the cards and just thinks they're better than you do, instead of being this malevolent entity hurting you personally by picking a moderate power level land to put into a precon The problem isn't that they're an inclusion as an uncommon land in a set that needs fixing. They're fine there, and probably better than most other options that could realistically go there. The problem is him engaging with commander players and telling them they're really good in commander and they should play them more. If this were the only instance of Gavin actively trying to convince commander players to play cards that are bad in commander, it would be perfectly reasonable to think that it was just him particularly liking them. But as I said, he has a long history of repeatedly doing things like this, in a way that extremely looks like him consistently overhyping trash to get people to spend more money. Especially since these are fancy art special frame things that will likely be much harder to get than the normal ones and commander players are addicted to blinging our their decks.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:12
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Cant believe this person disagrees with you about what cards are good and bad. Pretty hosed up, and definitely worth whining about for half a dozen posts
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Jun 18, 2022 19:14
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mandatory lesbian posted:Cant believe this person disagrees with you about what cards are good and bad. Pretty hosed up, and definitely worth whining about for half a dozen posts I'm sorry but karoos are not good in commander even as a budget option. This is like if a wizards employee was ranting and raving about how good shocks are in legacy or something. E: actually that's not even a good analogy because shocks are okay if you're trying to play legacy on a budget. Guildgates in modern? Hopefully you understand the point I'm trying to make. Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Jun 18, 2022 19:16
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I'm not too well versed in the nuance of Commander but isn't it the format where everyone agrees to wear Goku's weighted clothing to have a functioning game because picking all the good cards means you just wipe each other out of existence in a handful of turns. Why does it matter if people are putting bad cards in their deck?
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Jun 18, 2022 19:17
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The Shortest Path posted:I'm sorry but karoos are not good in commander even as a budget option. This is like if a wizards employee was ranting and raving about how good shocks are in legacy or something.  This is my snake friend Aesi, he draws me cards Say hi to Aesi, everyone
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Jun 18, 2022 19:19
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And as long as Commander allows Thassa’s Oracle and Demonic Consultation I don’t want to hear a loving peep from Commander players about what’s good or bad in their format
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Jun 18, 2022 19:22
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TheKingofSprings posted:As long as Commander allows Thassa’s Oracle and Demonic Consultation I don’t want to hear a peep from Commander players about what’s good or bad in their format Most Commander players would actually be quite happy with an Oracle ban, and have repeatedly pushed for one. That's why the only person who's worse for Commander than Gavin Verhey is Sheldon Menery.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:23
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Eej posted:I'm not too well versed in the nuance of Commander but isn't it the format where everyone agrees to wear Goku's weighted clothing to have a functioning game because picking all the good cards means you just wipe each other out of existence in a handful of turns. Why does it matter if people are putting bad cards in their deck? Isn't Commander the format where you can say "pwease don't pway any land destwuction" and your opponents are bound by honour to comply? Seems like a great format to play some Karoos.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:24
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Yeah this is what Cultivator Colossus should have been.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:29
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TheKingofSprings posted:
Aesi is really cool. I personally wouldn't play Simic Growth Chamber in that deck though, because you draw so many cards through her and general UG stuff that I imagine you'd rarely have trouble hitting a bunch of land drops without needing it, and it's a really slow card in the earlygame when you can instead be playing ramp, draw engines, etc.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:29
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TheKingofSprings posted:
Hi Aesi! This is my friend Gitrog:  I bought them from a goon. They draw me cards, they taught me how to use my graveyard as a second hand that everyone can see. If you play a Relic i will fite u.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:39
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Genuinely I wish Wizards would stop trying to cater to Commander players at all because they are by far the most bitchmade contingent of an already bitchmade playerbase
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Jun 18, 2022 19:53
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Genuinely I wish Wizards would stop trying to cater to Commander players at all because they are by far the most bitchmade contingent of an already bitchmade playerbase I am a basic bitch among basic bitches and I had more fun with EDH in 2010 when Wizards wasn't printing specifically for it.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:57
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Genuinely I wish Wizards would stop trying to cater to Commander players at all because they are by far the most bitchmade contingent of an already bitchmade playerbase Quite a lot of commander players also wish they'd stop "catering" to us because it's caused them to print a whole bunch of bullshit. But also, commander is magic now. It's overwhelmingly the most popular constructed format that has ever existed. Partly because it's a cool and fun way to play the game, partly because Wizards has ruined most of the rest of them.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:58
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The best part of commander is that you can play with legacy equivalent decks and, unlike legacy, people actually play the format.
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Jun 18, 2022 19:58
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Aranan posted:The best part of commander is that you can play with legacy equivalent decks and, unlike legacy, people actually play the format. 
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Jun 18, 2022 19:59
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The Shortest Path posted:Quite a lot of commander players also wish they'd stop "catering" to us because it's caused them to print a whole bunch of bullshit. Modern Masters wrecks modern, Commander Masters wrecks commander... When do we get pauper masters that downshifts Oko to common?
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Jun 18, 2022 19:59
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Aranan posted:The best part of commander is that you can play with legacy equivalent decks and, unlike legacy, people actually play the format. Bingo.
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Jun 18, 2022 20:01
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The Shortest Path posted:
Commander is immensely popular despite WotC designing for it and despite the RC/CAG's existence. It's simply the way of the future for the game.
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Jun 18, 2022 20:01
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Hell is other magic players
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Jun 18, 2022 20:06
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"Commander is the most popular contructed format that has ever existed", says local goon, ignoring that MTGA plays through more games of Standard and Limited per week than has ever been played in Commander in that format's lifetime. It is true however that Commander is currently the most selling format but apparently Commander players don't like being marketed to either?
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Jun 18, 2022 20:30
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Eej posted:"Commander is the most popular contructed format that has ever existed", says local goon, ignoring that MTGA plays through more games of Standard and Limited per week than has ever been played in Commander in that format's lifetime. [citation needed] Also kind of a weird statement when you literally cannot play Commander on Arena, and even if you could, you still couldn't because of limited card selection, but whatever.
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Genuinely I wish Wizards would stop trying to cater to Commander players at all because they are by far the most bitchmade contingent of an already bitchmade playerbase idk that just seems to be the shortest path, not commander players (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 18, 2022 20:40
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Eej posted:
I would say that in a way that's true, as far as being marketed to. For me personally, waaaay back in the day of having only ONE precon set a year, it was really fun to go back through old sets/blocks and finding what could work with one another. Cobbling poo poo together and having that sense of creativity and accomplishment in figuring out a new way for some cards to work. Now it's just like heaps and heaps of stuff thrown at the format that feels very diluted/watered down with very few obvious cards that work. Those cards become the chase cards and then that cycle starts all over again.
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Jun 18, 2022 21:05
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Wizards doesn't understand what it is that people like about magic. It's like games workshop and WH40k.
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Jun 18, 2022 21:16
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Aranan posted:The best part of commander is that you can play with legacy equivalent decks and, unlike legacy, people actually play the format. Dunno, I played a 58 person legacy tournament today
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Jun 18, 2022 21:17
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Aranan posted:Modern Masters wrecks modern, Commander Masters wrecks commander... When do we get pauper masters that downshifts Oko to common? Pauper is the only format without planeswalkers making GBS threads it up, don't you put that evil on me aranan
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Silhouette posted:Pauper is the only format without planeswalkers making GBS threads it up, don't you put that evil on me aranan I haven't played pauper in over a year. I thought it was already pretty heavily shitted up with this:   
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Aranan posted:Modern Masters wrecks modern, Commander Masters wrecks commander... When do we get pauper masters that downshifts Oko to common? Given how hard even those masters sets accidently wrecked pauper with cards like astrolabe, I don't even wanna imagine how bad it'll get if they actually try.
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I'm so exciting about being able to get a foil Ghave. As a commander player, this makes me so happy.
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