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Donald take the wheeeeeel With your tiny hands The coup can't go on all alooone Never let it gooooooo
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So the latest on Secret Service "contesting" Hutchinson's testimony: They are only contesting he grabbed the wheel or attacked the agent, and this is specifically Ornato, who appears Trumpier than even Engels, who appears to have also corroborated Hutchinson's version of events. Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that story. That's it. He confimed that Trump absolutely was livid and wanted to go to the capitol, confirmed the metal detector removal as well. So Ornato for whatever reason stayed loyal to Trumpy boy at least somewhat for god knows why. I remember a few years back Trump made a big deal of having all the Secret Service who served under Obama removed, so I wonder if Engels and Ornato were handpicked Praetorians. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Jun 29, 2022 08:04
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Former Obama photographer knows something about shade: 
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Jun 29, 2022 08:05
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One small part of this whole thing that brings me joy is constantly hearing about just what a miserable sack of crap Trump is all the time. I mean, he's one of the luckiest people alive, he was born into unimaginable wealth and had enough shamelessness and PR skills to parlay that into celebrity. He could spend the rest of his life just chillin' and having fun. But instead he's so desperately needy that he ends up throwing toddler-level tantrums all the time. It must be miserable. And regarding the mattering, it's impossible to predict when or if the tide might turn. Things that aid it would include a bunch of close advisers thinking their goose is cooked and turning on him to testify, or someone like Rupert Murdoch deciding their goals would be better advanced by throwing him to the wolves. The dam never seems like it will break until it does. Unless, of course, the new world of social media and cable news makes that no longer true. But its always broken in the past, so I would expect it to at some unknowable time until proven otherwise.
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Jun 29, 2022 08:29
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If the mattering does end up happening Republicans, both party and voters, are going to be completely blindsided. None of them are watching the hearings and the highlights are being filtered through their own media ecosystem. It'll be a pretty big shock.
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Jun 29, 2022 08:49
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Moktaro posted:Former Obama photographer knows something about shade: Ah yeah, that's the good lib stuff right there - elide the insanity of trying to kill the legislature and instead make it a battle of cultural signifiers between ketchup vs Dijon mustard. I know Obama's photographer is not a DNC strategist, but still, kindly gently caress off buddy
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Jun 29, 2022 09:46
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Reminder that Michael Flynn is a legitimate traitor to the republic.
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Jun 29, 2022 11:51
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Fritz the Horse posted:Please make sure you're very specific about the conditions of your toxx and I'll edit it into the OP. My toxx ban (but not perma) is admittedly I have some time on. But I will 100% honor it and won't weasel out. Toxx: Trump is not indicted or arrested for January 6th or Georgia. Runs for president in 2024. $25 to red cross or Ukraine charity if indictment by September 1st.
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Jun 29, 2022 11:57
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VideoGameVet posted:He grabs it with his tiny hands … 
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Edit this was meant to quote the post above it...
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Cimber posted:While I think the hearing was great, I don't think its going to move the needle all that much. True believers are gonna remain true believers. People who hated Trump are just going to hate him much more. People who don't give a poo poo are gonna continue watching reality TV. Also, most people who vote GOP aren't even hearing it or, if they are, are getting watered down versions of it with selective edits accompanied by biased commentary to demonstrate how it's no big deal. If all you listen to and watch is AM radio and FOX News or travel in RW FB circles and poo poo, you're probably not being shown anything incendiary. That's not even counting the MAGA's who legit think it was great and totally justified because the election was stolen. Rigel posted:They weren't in that limo. They were in a regular black SUV. People around the president just colloquially refer to any car Trump is in as the Beast even if its not the limo. Kind of like any plane he is on is Air Force One. Again, though, a large percentage of people will never learn this and, even if they do, they won't loving care and will just make up some other poo poo and talk about FAKE NEWS. Like, I STILL hear MAGA's going around talking about how the insurrectionists were "invited in" and never violently forced their way in anywhere because they saw one clip of the Capitol Police falling back at a barricade. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jun 29, 2022 |
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Jun 29, 2022 15:20
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BiggerBoat posted:Also, most people who vote GOP aren't even hearing it or, if they are, are getting watered down versions of it with selective edits accompanied by biased commentary to demonstrate how it's no big deal. If all you listen to and watch is AM radio and FOX News or travel in RW FB circles and poo poo, you're probably not being shown anything incendiary. That's not even counting the MAGA's who legit think it was great and totally justified because the election was stolen. People are making the limo poo poo as the main point when its only really a 2nd hand story she heard. The limo and grabbing the wheel isn't the point, the point is that he knew his followers were armed, he knew they were riled up and he wanted to personally lead an armed mob to the capital to stop the counting of electors. gently caress the grabbing the wheel bit. Lets not forget the important part of yesterday's story.
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Jun 29, 2022 15:39
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Cimber posted:People are making the limo poo poo as the main point when its only really a 2nd hand story she heard. The limo and grabbing the wheel isn't the point, the point is that he knew his followers were armed, he knew they were riled up and he wanted to personally lead an armed mob to the capital to stop the counting of electors. whats funny is the news isnt even really talking about that part outside the "someone disputes part of this part of the story but thats it" they are talking about the big broad strokes stuff or other stuff like Ukraine, r kelly getting sentenced, Finland/Sweden joining nato.
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Jun 29, 2022 15:46
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William Bear posted:Is this legally hearsay? I'm not a lawyer, but I thought hearsay would be if this witness were to say she heard another person talk about what Trump said. If we to go by what the House GOP claims then basically no evidence is admissible in court
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Jun 29, 2022 16:39
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man these bots are getting scarier and scarier in their ability to ape real people
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Jun 29, 2022 16:48
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Oracle posted:man these bots are getting scarier and scarier in their ability to ape real people I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but just for the record it's a fake bot that's actually just a comedy twitter gimmick.
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Mirotic posted:Call it manifesting, but $25 to NNAF that he is indicted by September 1st, Georgia or federal. (That is, I'm saying he will be. If not, I'll pony up.) Cool you're on.
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Jun 29, 2022 17:16
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Jaxyon posted:Cool you're on. So when does the actual committee wrap up? I thought it was the end of September. Would that not be a more reasonable drop dead date?
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Oracle posted:So when does the actual committee wrap up? I thought it was the end of September. Would that not be a more reasonable drop dead date? I have no clue and saw another bet set Sept 1 I'm fine to push it back to then or whatever.
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Jaxyon posted:I have no clue and saw another bet set Sept 1 Same here with pushing it back, as I also have no clue and based it on other bets.
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Jaxyon posted:I have no clue and saw another bet set Sept 1 We may want to say 'by the time the committee submits its final report' because I can only find the nebulous 'in September' (which I assume is why the Sept 1 date was chosen in the first place) and they keep pushing back their hearings as new evidence comes to light so I don't think they'd have hit whatever their initial drop dead date was anyway.
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Oracle posted:We may want to say 'by the time the committee submits its final report' because I can only find the nebulous 'in September' (which I assume is why the Sept 1 date was chosen in the first place) and they keep pushing back their hearings as new evidence comes to light so I don't think they'd have hit whatever their initial drop dead date was anyway. OK lets go with "by final report" and stop talking about it I don't want to make this thread about sidebetting more than I already have.
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Jun 29, 2022 18:37
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pthighs posted:One small part of this whole thing that brings me joy is constantly hearing about just what a miserable sack of crap Trump is all the time.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:21
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See? Trump really is tough on China
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Cimber posted:People are making the limo poo poo as the main point when its only really a 2nd hand story she heard. The limo and grabbing the wheel isn't the point, the point is that he knew his followers were armed, he knew they were riled up and he wanted to personally lead an armed mob to the capital to stop the counting of electors.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:33
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Dr. Faustus posted:Hitchinson was in Ornato's office with Engel and heard it 1st-hand from Engel, who was there. Engel is supposedly disavowing the statement and saying it never happened, because of course he would. But it doesn't matter. The stuff that is really important is being ignored so people can instead argue the logistics over grabbing a steering wheel. [edit]I mean conservatives on places like twitter. They don't want to argue that their god-king is a fruitloop who tried to lead an armed mob to the capital. This is much more appealing to them to impeach the credibility of Hitchenson.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:35
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Dr. Faustus posted:Hutchinson was in Ornato's office with Engel and heard it 1st-hand from Engel, who was there. That's still secondhand. Engel and Ornato can testify* themselves what they saw and heard. * You know, under oath. Anyone can say anything out in public.
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Jun 29, 2022 19:38
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Slightly off tanget, but the constitution says the president has the power of pardon except in matters of impeachment. Does that mean that the president can't pardon people who might be called to testify him in impeachment cases? Because thats a pretty big stick he could wield. "Lie to congress and if you get caught I'll just pardon you."
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Jun 29, 2022 19:43
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Cimber posted:Engel is supposedly disavowing the statement and saying it never happened, because of course he would. Watching the various news outlets most folks are covering the “they won’t hurt me” or the whole thing in broad strokes as “holy gently caress this bad” it isn’t being ignored by mainstream
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Jun 29, 2022 19:49
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The half denials of the single aspect of one claim is just amplifying the whole thing, tbh.
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lol republicans can totally just give false testimonies that are easily debunked to delegitimize the committee, can't they
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like i figured that this'll could likely end with someone making a technical mistake that is then blown up by the media and then the DOJ has an excuse not to do anything, but yeah it's obvious that the republicans could just provide bad faith witnesses.
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Jun 29, 2022 20:23
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Automata 10 Pack posted:like i figured that this'll could likely end with someone making a technical mistake that is then blown up by the media and then the DOJ has an excuse not to do anything, but yeah it's obvious that the republicans could just provide bad faith witnesses. Of course the witnesses are republicans. Nancy Pelosi didn't exactly get offered a position at the White House Coup Task Force.
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Cimber posted:Slightly off tanget, but the constitution says the president has the power of pardon except in matters of impeachment. That would be a good idea for a restriction, but legally that doesn't seem likely to prevail in court. The most common reading of the Constitution and the pardon power is that the President can't pardon the subject of an impeachment (to obviate their impeachment trial), but anyone else is fair game.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:lol I mean they could, but she could also be telling the truth and the fact that she's a woman means just saying "she's lying" is a viable and effective strategy.
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Jun 29, 2022 20:29
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I am suprised Trump failed to cultivate a cadre of loyal agents around him. He had four years to cajole, bribe and do whatever else it took purge them and bring in his own fanatics. A lesson for next time.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:lol I guess if those witnesses want to do hard time for perjury. Random aides won't get the same leeway as fully grown lapdogs for perjury.
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We joke about the hilarity of Trump's tiny baby hands strangling a secret service agent, but what everyone forgets is that it isn't Trumps hands you have to watch for, those are just to hold you long enough to get you into range of his mouth. The man eats shoe leather and calls it steak regularly. He must have the bite strength of an alligator at this point. A few seconds longer in his grip, and the driver would be effectively a dead man.
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Baudolino posted:I am suprised Trump failed to cultivate a cadre of loyal agents around him. He had four years to cajole, bribe and do whatever else it took purge them and bring in his own fanatics. Trump demands absolute loyalty for nothing in return, and will throw you to the wolves first chance he gets. If he did that he wouldn’t be Trump.
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Relevant to the title: https://twitter.com/JustinCChang/status/1541901265197641728 
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