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A Fancy Hat posted:I have seen people on twitter unironically say that AEW has too many good matches and that they'll eventually "run out" of matches. Not even in terms of what they do on free TV, as if you should save certain PPV matches like you're squirreling money for a rainy day. Even like Meltzer and Alvarez have been saying this to some degree but their angle is more like "If EVERY match on the card is awesome then none of them will stand out!" but either way I'm not sure how you'd even resolve this issue. Like Tony should tell his wrestlers to go out and have mediocre matches on purpose?
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Jul 1, 2022 16:41
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You just can't appreciate a PPV properly unless it's got a Big Show vs Kane cooldown match before the main event
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Jul 1, 2022 16:42
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Although I can understand the importance of a cooldown match, I'm also fine if said cooldown match is still super entertaining, just not quite as quickly paced. Forbidden Door was basically a perfect in-ring PPV and every match was good to great. It also helps that AEW puts out such a diverse in-ring product, so not every match feels the same. I much prefer this to when I still watched WWE and half the PPVs had one good match, a bunch of okay matches, and at least one infuriatingly bad match.
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Jul 1, 2022 16:44
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I disagree that every show must have specific standout matches. That seems like old WWE brain poo poo. "The opening match should get the crowd hype but not overshadow the sacred main event later" type thinking is very weird Giving the artists the freedom to do their work in the best way they know how is exactly how it should be done
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Jul 1, 2022 16:46
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your friend wicka posted:One of my favorite things in the world is when someone thinks they're insulting you but is actually giving you an overwhelming compliment. "Crowd full of desperados" - how does any human brain clock that as a bad thing? It's cool enough that if Tony Khan or the Bucks get wind of that tweet, you can bet they'll name a special event after it.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I disagree that every show must have specific standout matches. That seems like old WWE brain poo poo. "The opening match should get the crowd hype but not overshadow the sacred main event later" type thinking is very weird It certainly fits with the WWE booking style where the main eventers are the only people that matter in the entire company and also the entire main event scene is like 2 people
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Penguin Patrol posted:Adam Cole is closest because Vince was gonna make him a manager Using Cole as a cudgel is definitely a thing you'll see out there in the wild right now and none of the arguments he is getting used to buoy make any sense in the context of what actually happened. It has nothing to do with his physique or working with injuries or Tony Khan letting the inmates run the style asylum or whatever the gently caress. Dude accidentally hit his head bumping for a dropkick. It sucks!! But it's also just a bad luck injury that could have happened to anybody in any match anywhere
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MassRafTer posted:https://twitter.com/L16Michael/status/1542533190795010049 Even taking this description as truth the WWE show sounds lame as poo poo. "Son, when I was your age I was watching Randy Orton RKO people too and one day you'll take your own son to a Premium Live Event and they will see Randy Orton RKO someone!"
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Jul 1, 2022 17:15
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I feel like some of these people are confusing the quality of a match with the tone of the match. Not every match can be the main event, but not every main event is the best thing on the card. There's such a thing as a perfect opener, a perfect semi-main, a perfect comic relief match, just as much as a perfect main event.
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https://twitter.com/MarkMaddenX/status/1542830513966223362 It's funnier if you know who Ericinsarasota is!
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MassRafTer posted:https://twitter.com/MarkMaddenX/status/1542830513966223362 Who is it?
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Shard posted:Who is it? Erick stevens who wrestled in ROH
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Shard posted:Who is it? He owns this and it looks rad as hell https://twitter.com/KookiesSRQ?t=l5usg9JKYyzxEWUzJ6GPDw&s=09
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Jul 1, 2022 18:04
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Does that one guy think “desperado” means someone who is desperate for attention?
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Does that one guy think “desperado” means someone who is desperate for attention? I was wondering the same thing, it sure reads that way.
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Jul 1, 2022 21:21
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Honestly wondering if they googled “outlaw synonym” and that’s what they got
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Guillermus posted:https://twitter.com/EpicMikeyC/status/1542611170321907714?t=JvqDcswTPQ-jKGCIaxFeOw&s=19 The initial "AEW Dynamite 1,02m viewers" tweet having replies closed is perfect environmental storytelling Lid posted:
Oh hey that's the guy that couldn't conceive how Forbidden Door could've done 5 million when people would ALWAYS pay 20 via VPN or pirate etc, and posted how "100k x 20$ != 5 million" or something. I stopped replying after he added me to a lost of "admirers" that included Kenny Omega and Tony Khan
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A Fancy Hat posted:Although I can understand the importance of a cooldown match, I'm also fine if said cooldown match is still super entertaining, just not quite as quickly paced. But the crowd was nuclear throughout and did not run out of pops.
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Does that one guy think “desperado” means someone who is desperate for attention? yes
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Does that one guy think No
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Lead Pipe Cinch posted:Does that one guy think “desperado” means someone who is desperate for attention? I certainly hope it's this but I think it's just another way of suggesting fans are bad for cheering for all the things they like instead of whatever WWE specifically wants them to cheer for
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Rarity posted:You just can't appreciate a PPV properly unless it's got a Big Show vs Kane cooldown match before the main event tbf Paul Wight vs. QT Marshall worked extremely well in that spot
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What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list. - they're all ex WWE guys - they are all people The Casual Fan won't know - they bury New Japan - they put over New Japan too much - WHO IS THIS GUY I CAN'T USE GOOGLE - the crowd cheer too much and will cheer for ANYTHING - Jon Moxley is going back to WWE any day now - Flippy poo poo - "confusing" Tanahashi, KENTA, Okada with Yoshi Tatsu or Funaki - the roster isn't diverse enough - the roster is too diverse - the refs/fans/managers are trying to get themselves over - Orange Cassidy is a joke character and bad wrestler - "if you enjoy Sting then you MUST enjoy Goldberg or you're a hippocrite" - their matches are too violent! - their matches aren't violent enough! - there are too many good matches on free TV - they are in immediate danger of getting cancelled - no storylines - too many/not enough titles - Adam Cole has a terrible physique - they can't grow their audience - Disco Inferno/Mark Madden/Eric Bischoff/Vince Russo retweet - it killed NXT!!! - Flippy poo poo - Twinkle Toes, Olivier, Jelly Nutella, etc - hugging is wrong - Roman Reigns profile pic - Cody was bad but now he is good - *WWE wrestler replies/retweets something from an AEW wrestler "you better hope Vince doesn't see this" - Meltzer/Alvarez/Bixenspan/Something Awful are on the payroll
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Can’t believe X betrayed the WWE universe
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Kosmo Gallion posted:What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list. If you're including Roman Reigns profile pic, you'll need "@namebunchofnumbers"
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Kosmo Gallion posted:What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list. "Someone wrestled on Dark and therefore they are getting buried" is one I see all the time
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"AEW buried Impact"
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Serperoth posted:Missing "x is not a draw/won't move the needle", "wonder when Tony will get bored of the toy", and endless talk about ratings because 50 million people aren't tuning in to watch Dynamite every week The second one is often seen in the form of "New AEW Hire X will just be on Dark/Elevation within a couple of weeks."
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Don't forget "AEW killed ROH so they could buy it on the cheap" or "AEW killed NJPW but also nobody cares about NJPW" or "Tony CON"
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Kosmo Gallion posted:What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list. All the tickets are bought by scalpers and/or Tony himself
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I'm a bit late for "it's bad for every match on a show to be good" chat but I had something of this experience with Revolution 2022. It was such a high-paced awesome show that I burned out part way through and had to watch a few of the matches again the next day because I couldn't remember anything about them other than they were awesome, particularly Moxley-Danielson. It was an intensity + pacing thing, while I was a bit tired that day, and I'm not going to assert by any means that it was a bad show, but I could have certainly used something like the NJPW USA show's Suzuki vs Ishii (fwiw one of my favourite matches of the year) about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way through just to give me a breather from the high energy that was going on otherwise.
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I don't know if the problem with the pacing at Revolution 2022 was so much the good matches it was the one really bad one in the middle that killed all the energy.
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There needs to be a No More BS match before every main event
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Kosmo Gallion posted:What are the general bad faith AEW critiques we see in this thread constantly? I feel like we could use a master list. That AEW created no one and they are all ex-WWE but further than your #1 The ones that claim Britt Baker and Kris Stat are WWE because they worked as jobbers once. Also extends to MJF getting shoved by Samoa Joe and Hangman as a paramedic. And for reasons still alien: their profile will include which EPL team they follow.
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