Jeff Fatwood posted:

Where does the CIA spinning bowtie reference come from?

e.

SorePotato posted:

Who cares loser, your spinning bowtie cannot lead me astray from Xi Jinping Thought. I live eternal in the people's heavenly army, while you, a CIA brain floating in a jar, are set to be replaced in two weeks

Not So Fast posted:

it's from the last argument over this exact subject lol

Not So Fast posted:

it's from the last argument over this exact subject lol

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

https://twitter.com/doamuslims/status/1177930027960356865

gradenko_2000 posted:

Mantis42 posted:

China: The Prima Strategy Guide

Antonymous posted:

I was at a movie screening yesterday and the team who made the movie was chinese and a white guy in the Q&A said "I used to live in china and I just want everyone to know this team is putting themselves in danger making a film in the west" and just kept talking and talking about what he knew about china and threw some chinese words in there and I thought of this thread

but I'm actually not sure why cause it seems a lot of you never lived there

mawarannahr posted:

cultural genocide is a real thing imo from the perspective of what Turks have been doing to the Kurds and it’s usually pretty easy to distinguish from the traditional genocide versus the Armenians. it’s bad.

comedyblissoption posted:

the turks have mass murdered the kurds, wiped their villages off the face of the earth, and expelled them by the millions with the political and material support of the united states and nato

for the layman this would constitute a genocide genocide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDoBBFVWLTg

comedyblissoption posted:

the turks have mass murdered the kurds, wiped their villages off the face of the earth, and expelled them by the millions with the political and material support of the united states and nato

for the layman this would constitute a genocide genocide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDoBBFVWLTg

Antonymous posted:

I was at a movie screening yesterday and the team who made the movie was chinese and a white guy in the Q&A said "I used to live in china and I just want everyone to know this team is putting themselves in danger making a film in the west" and just kept talking and talking about what he knew about china and threw some chinese words in there and I thought of this thread

but I'm actually not sure why cause it seems a lot of you never lived there

mawarannahr posted:

that’s a good point but there’s a completely different genocidefeel and I’m not entirely sure it’s a difference of degree. I am trying to explain how I perceive it. in the metropole you were allowed to exist as a Kurdish person without outward expression of distinguishing cultural characteristics that Turkish people could recognize (eg getting kicked off the bus for speaking Kurdish). there are other aspects such as the religious component of discrimination was/is greatly altered versus the Christian Armenians, and there were efforts to integrate Kurdish ethnicity (“mountain Turks,” “kart kurt” etc.) that were not extended to Armenians and Greeks, partly on religious basis and because they couldn’t really be construed as a Type of Turk in the Sun Racecanon.

maybe the distinction is also related to the historical class positions of different ethnicities, where Armenians and Greeks had more members among the petit bourgeoisie and bourgeois classes and embodied a different threat to the officer classes and bourgeois that led the Republican revolution. the property seizures during the pogroms of non-Muslims in western Turkey after the revolution (leading up to the final really big ones and mass deportations that left practically none) might point to this being a factor, to some extent.

when the military and police have taken action to kill Kurdish people en masse within Turkey’s borders it is usually associated with a threat to the economic system — movements threatening to turn into worker uprisings or disruptions to the flow of goods and resources, punishment for harboring the Kurdistan workers party, and taking leftist movement leaders away in the infamous white Toros station wagons. this has also applied to groupings within Kurdish populations that couldn’t be subsumed in the broader Turkish identity, such as the Alawites. I guess within Turkey’s borders it seems like a broad ongoing destruction of culture with outbursts of genocidal violence.

I think there’s a difference between “you’re basically not allowed to exist at all and we will kill or deport every one of you who exists, even if you hide it” and “you are allowed to exist in the parameters in the identity we built for you, should you accept it, and don’t ever think of doing something we think threatens the state and the systems of production, otherwise we will apply a cruder, less discriminating form of violence to you and yours.” there are basically no Armenians (or Greeks) to speak of in Turkey. there are a lot of Kurdish people and the people who wanted to kill all of them have not been able to (if this was their goal they failed miserably).

I can’t watch the video atm, if you have a text source that would be good because I haven’t watched this yet. sorry if this post is a mess it’s early.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

I saw a picture of Matt Bruenig on the TL this morning and thought of you.

comedyblissoption posted:

[Asia/Oceania] a completely different genocidefeel

mawarannahr posted:

that’s a good point but there’s a completely different genocidefeel and I’m not entirely sure it’s a difference of degree. I am trying to explain how I perceive it. in the metropole you were allowed to exist as a Kurdish person without outward expression of distinguishing cultural characteristics that Turkish people could recognize (eg getting kicked off the bus for speaking Kurdish). there are other aspects such as the religious component of discrimination was/is greatly altered versus the Christian Armenians, and there were efforts to integrate Kurdish ethnicity (“mountain Turks,” “kart kurt” etc.) that were not extended to Armenians and Greeks, partly on religious basis and because they couldn’t really be construed as a Type of Turk in the Sun Racecanon.

maybe the distinction is also related to the historical class positions of different ethnicities, where Armenians and Greeks had more members among the petit bourgeoisie and bourgeois classes and embodied a different threat to the officer classes and bourgeois that led the Republican revolution. the property seizures during the pogroms of non-Muslims in western Turkey after the revolution (leading up to the final really big ones and mass deportations that left practically none) might point to this being a factor, to some extent.

when the military and police have taken action to kill Kurdish people en masse within Turkey’s borders it is usually associated with a threat to the economic system — movements threatening to turn into worker uprisings or disruptions to the flow of goods and resources, punishment for harboring the Kurdistan workers party, and taking leftist movement leaders away in the infamous white Toros station wagons. this has also applied to groupings within Kurdish populations that couldn’t be subsumed in the broader Turkish identity, such as the Alawites. I guess within Turkey’s borders it seems like a broad ongoing destruction of culture with outbursts of genocidal violence.

I think there’s a difference between “you’re basically not allowed to exist at all and we will kill or deport every one of you who exists, even if you hide it” and “you are allowed to exist in the parameters in the identity we built for you, should you accept it, and don’t ever think of doing something we think threatens the state and the systems of production, otherwise we will apply a cruder, less discriminating form of violence to you and yours.” there are basically no Armenians (or Greeks) to speak of in Turkey. there are a lot of Kurdish people and the people who wanted to kill all of them have not been able to (if this was their goal they failed miserably).

I can’t watch the video atm, if you have a text source that would be good because I haven’t watched this yet. sorry if this post is a mess it’s early.

Zodium posted:

thanks for this post and lol at "a completely different genocidefeel"

comedyblissoption posted:

[Asia/Oceania] a completely different genocidefeel

Marenghi posted:

No you see the oppression of black people in America is not a genocide.
Sure they sterilised, built their cities to trap them in ghettos and introduced crack cocaine to kill them when they started to get class consciousness. And they continue to murder them to keep them down.

But that's just a few bad apples. Xinjiang is the true genocide.

indigi posted:

like honestly the idea that Arabic script isn’t important to Muslims globally is so weird to me. it’s like saying the Jewish diaspora places no value on the Hebrew alphabet

not all American/African/East Asian/etc Jews can read Hebrew just like not all Uyghurs can read Arabic. it’s still part of their traditional culture in imagery and architecture cause it’s important to their religious history

is it all of Uyghur Muslim culture, obviously not. is it part of it? yeah lol.

is it cultural genocide or ethnic cleansing or whatever for China to remove it? definitely no. but does that mean China removing it is a means of restoring traditional Uyghur imagery? also no

mawarannahr posted:

I think there’s a difference between “you’re basically not allowed to exist at all and we will kill or deport every one of you who exists, even if you hide it” and “you are allowed to exist in the parameters in the identity we built for you, should you accept it, and don’t ever think of doing something we think threatens the state and the systems of production, otherwise we will apply a cruder, less discriminating form of violence to you and yours.” there are basically no Armenians (or Greeks) to speak of in Turkey. there are a lot of Kurdish people and the people who wanted to kill all of them have not been able to (if this was their goal they failed miserably).

I can’t watch the video atm, if you have a text source that would be good because I haven’t watched this yet. sorry if this post is a mess it’s early.

Weka posted:

Uygur language is mostly written in Arabic isn't it?

I've read previously of a lot of Armenians converting to Islam and denying their Armenianness and continuing to live in Anatolia. I found this wiki article saying something similar, one guy claims one region of 35,000 people is 75% people like this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Armenians

quote:

In 2012, Agos reported that the head of the Dersim Armenians Faith and Ancestry Assistance Organization (Dersimli Ermeniler İnanç ve Soyal Yardımlaşma Derneği) has said that hidden Armenians have nothing to fear in the present day.[21]

quote:

Hrant Dink (Armenian: Հրանդ Տինք; Western Armenian pronunciation: [ˈhɾantʰ ˈdiŋkʰ]; 15 September 1954 – 19 January 2007) was a Turkish-Armenian intellectual, editor-in-chief of Agos, journalist and columnist.[1]

…

Dink was assassinated in Istanbul around 12:00 GMT on 19 January 2007, as he returned to the offices of Agos.[57] The killer was reported to have introduced himself as an Ankara University student who wanted to meet with Mr. Dink. When his request was rejected, he waited in front of a nearby bank for a while.[58][59] According to eyewitnesses, Dink was shot by a man of 25 to 30 years of age, who fired three shots at Dink's head from the back at point blank range before fleeing the scene on foot. According to the police, the assassin was a man of 18 to 19 years of age. Two men had been taken into custody in the first hours of the police investigation, but were later released.[60] Another witness, the owner of a restaurant near the Agos office, said the assassin looked about 20, wore jeans and a cap and shouted "I shot the infidel" as he left the scene.[61][62]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jawi_alphabet posted:

Today, Jawi is one of the official scripts of Brunei.[15] In Malaysia, it is used for religious and cultural administration in the states of Terengganu, Kelantan, Kedah, Perlis, Penang, Pahang and Johor.[citation needed] Various efforts were in place to revive the Jawi script in Malaysia and Brunei due to its role in the Malay and Islamic spheres. Jawi scripts are also seen at the rear of Malaysian ringgit and Brunei dollar banknotes. The Malays in Patani still use Jawi today for the same reasons.[citation needed]

In Malaysia

In August 2019, the Malaysian Government's plans to introduce the teaching of Jawi at the most basic level in ethnic Chinese and Tamil vernacular schools attracted opposition from ethnic Chinese and Indian education groups, which claimed that the move would lead to an Islamization of the Malaysian education system.[17][18][19] The Chinese educationist group Dong Jiao Zong organised a conference calling on the Malaysian Government to rescind its decision in late December 2019. Perhaps fearing violence, the Malaysian Police obtained a court injunction against it on the grounds that it would trigger ethnic tensions.[20][21]

The state government of Kedah in Malaysia has long defended the use of Jawi in the state.[22][23][24] The Menteri Besar of Kedah has denied the allegation that the state government was trying to create an Islamic state ambience by promoting the use of Jawi in 2008, saying that it is a normal occurrence evidenced by Chinese coffeeshops and pawnshops having signboards written in Jawi.[22] This can further be seen later on when the Kedah state government has shown its support with Johor state government's move to use Jawi in official matters in 2019.[24] The exco of local authority of the state of Kedah had also stated that the Jawi script in billboards in Kedah is not forbidden, but rather recommended.[23] He claims that the recommendation to use Jawi script has been gazetted in the state law, and that it has been part of the state identity to have billboards in Jawi script in addition to other scripts.[23] He also stated that there are high demands in incorporating Jawi script in billboards in Kedah.[23]

Kuantan, the state capital of Pahang in Malaysia has introduced the usage of Jawi in all signages across the city from 1 August 2019.[25] This was done after a recommendation from the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, who was then the Regent of Pahang, to uphold the usage of the writing system.[26] The Pahang state government has since expanded the order and made it mandatory for every signage state-wide including road signs to display Jawi alongside other scripts from 1 January 2020 after being delayed a few times.[27] Premises that fail to comply with this order will be fined up to a maximum of RM250, with the possibility of revocation of their business licences if they still do not comply afterwards.[28] In the early stage, usage of Jawi stickers are allowed to put on existing signage instead of replacing the whole signage.[29]

Antonymous posted:

arabic script is not arabic language. We don't speak latin even if we use the script and a few words from the language

indigi posted:

is Turkey the only other nation besides the US that has carried out multiple discrete genocides in the last century? (I know you could quibble about the US’ direct involvement but providing military training, endorsement through inaction, or gunking up the works at the UN counts imo, not to mention the diet genocide we’re still doing to Native Americans)

Weka posted:

Yeah but what is the chinese government allegedly deleting from mosques?

There's this group that was pretty political in ww2 called the nazis.
Also for instance the OUN.
Almost certainly the British but I'm drawing a blank aside from Bengal.

Marenghi posted:

No you see the oppression of black people in America is not a genocide.
Sure they sterilised, built their cities to trap them in ghettos and introduced crack cocaine to kill them when they started to get class consciousness. And they continue to murder them to keep them down.

But that's just a few bad apples. Xinjiang is the true genocide.

Marenghi posted:

No you see the oppression of black people in America is not a genocide.
Sure they sterilised, built their cities to trap them in ghettos and introduced crack cocaine to kill them when they started to get class consciousness. And they continue to murder them to keep them down.

But that's just a few bad apples. Xinjiang is the true genocide.

comedyblissoption posted:

[Asia/Oceania] a completely different genocidefeel