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No Wave posted:It's a game I absolutely recommend but the power ups are waaaay less crazy than isaac and it's never given me a god run high. I still dont think there's anything out there that's even in the same ballpark as isaac when it comes to power up craziness. Revita gets close with some "fill the screen with bullets and hold down the attack button to beat the final boss in 10 seconds" builds you can luck into, but I think what makes Isaac feel unique is the poo poo you can do outside of the combat portion. When everything comes together you're rerolling items and duplicating pickups and manipulating RNG and it makes you feel like you're Neo and you've hacked into the code of the matrix. That feeling of mastering the rules so you can break them is just incredibly empowering edit: like it's one thing to find a build that lets you whoop the final boss, but it's an Isaac thing to find a build that lets you beat one of the final bosses and then rewind time to beat a different final boss and get credit for finishing two different runs at once
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goferchan posted:When everything comes together you're rerolling items and duplicating pickups and manipulating RNG and it makes you feel like you're Neo and you've hacked into the code of the matrix. That feeling of mastering the rules so you can break them is just incredibly empowering this to me is the big part of isaac that brings me back. knowing how each system interacts with each other and manipulating it one way or the other until i work the odds in my favor and makes you think youre big brained is really cool.
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Yeah, there's a genuine addictive strength to the feeling you get when you have the eureka of "Wait! If I spend my one bomb here, it'll let me get to there, to spend my card on THIS, and then I can reroll THAT" and suddenly you've made your own RNG and you're back on a winning track. I'm still in disbelief Nintendo hasn't twigged on to make a Binding of Zelda clone, since it's already overflowing with character/dungeon/item materials to create similar systems of complex play.
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Black August posted:Yeah, there's a genuine addictive strength to the feeling you get when you have the eureka of "Wait! If I spend my one bomb here, it'll let me get to there, to spend my card on THIS, and then I can reroll THAT" and suddenly you've made your own RNG and you're back on a winning track. I'm still in disbelief Nintendo hasn't twigged on to make a Binding of Zelda clone, since it's already overflowing with character/dungeon/item materials to create similar systems of complex play. Probably would have done a lot better than their Crypt of the Necrozelda clone
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Jul 5, 2022 21:26
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the crypt of the necrodancer zelda game is both made by the original devs and also owns
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I always pass on the d20 because I just don't have the time to dick around getting stupid overpowered anymore But I finally sat down and had a ... I dunno, 2 hour d20 run Repentance cannot handle a d20 run God drat thought my computer was going to explode with all the insane stupid synergies I had going
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Sockser posted:I always pass on the d20 because I just don't have the time to dick around getting stupid overpowered anymore I made it to the Chest once with tarot cloth, jera rune and blank card. I spawned so many chests the game crashed to the desktop
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Jul 6, 2022 16:47
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Blank Card no longer working with runes was a giant nerf and I almost never take it anymore.
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IMO the alternate route is such a pain in the rear end that the second treasure room item should always be visible. I don't know if it's me, but the number of times the ? item turns out to be Cursed Eye is loving disproportionate. The only mods I'm using are item descriptions and no curses - the most useless, uninteractive, get hosed LOL game mechanic - but I'm at the point where if I'm getting cursed eye in dross or mines I'll just remove it with the console. It's not a "fun" bad item, which I'd be totally ok with, and it probably shouldn't be in the game in the first place. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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It's great if you're playing either flavor of Loss though. The downside is nonexistent because it's overidden by loving dying. A not small number Lost games have been won by cursed eye for me.
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Jul 6, 2022 23:21
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Always take cursed eye if you have Marked, the cursor aiming overides the charge completely and the teleport can't trigger.
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Mr Phillby posted:Always take cursed eye if you have Marked, the cursor aiming overides the charge completely and the teleport can't trigger. But Marked is also terrible!
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Best Tainted Keeper - Mother. Just Greedier and Beast to go for that postit. Keepers Sack in the first shop made for a powerful run. 4.5V + Sprinkler melted Mother but it was the soul of the keeper when clearing the floor before dropping down to Mother that saved the day. Would have died otherwise. I'm just not that good at avoiding damage. Mons Hubris posted:But Marked is also terrible! Yes it is! Down there with Ludovico Technique in items that seem like they should be good and are in fact garbage.
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PostNouveau posted:My understanding is that's a bug where his segmented forms (Larry Jr and Hollow) where you can kill part of them and sometimes it will obliterate its health. Araxxor posted:I'm sure both variants of the bug are possible, I've personally seen both cases happen where Delirium suddenly loses its HP and then gets immediately obliterated. And some where yes it looks like it loses its HP, but the fight is still as typically as long as it normally is. Turns out there's a variant of this bug that is very much possible to do in Repentance. And may make Eraser worth taking on Delirium runs. If you manage to erase a segmented boss (Larry Jr., the Hollow, etc.) and it has to be segmented, not something like Monstro. When Delirium transforms into that boss, Delirium will instantly die. 
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Sad Panda posted:Down there with Ludovico Technique in items that seem like they should be good and are in fact garbage. 
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Ludovico owns you should learn how to use it
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every person i've ever seen hate ludovico doesn't play on controller, and you should
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ludovico is extremely good almost all of the time, but a run-killer in combination with a few items. you always want to think about it before picking it up even though 99% of the time you want it.
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Ludovico mainly sucks if it's too slow moving around (low tear speed I guess?)
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Color Printer posted:Ludovico mainly sucks if it's too slow moving around (low tear speed I guess?) This. Ludovico is also great with items like Brimstone that increase the tear size and with Gnawed Leaf to just win (unless moving the tear counts as moving for it?
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I don't like it with mom's knife. Otherwise, it can be really good.
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to me it’s one of those items where it’s really good but i just don’t care for the mental overhead of it
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The knife is kinda boring too, tears get so many fun modifiers now And yeah Ludo's problem is that it's way way too slow by default
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watho posted:to me it’s one of those items where it’s really good but i just don’t care for the mental overhead of it Black August posted:And yeah Ludo's problem is that it's way way too slow by default Yeah it's slow and it changes the way the game controls. It's an item that comes up that infrequently that I'm not used to dual sticking that way compared to hold down in direction for tears. Much more fine control needed.
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oh, mausoleum door takes four full hearts to enter if you're using rotten hearts huh
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well yeah. rotten hearts are worth half a heart of damage
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Rotten hearts, at least, count as armor when hit, so you don't lose deal chances.
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Color Printer posted:Ludovico mainly sucks if it's too slow moving around (low tear speed I guess?) Shot speed is what determines the tear's speed. Which is one of the few times that stat actually matters and one of the few instances where you actually want more shot speed instead of less. I used to love that thing back in Rebirth, but nowadays it's not an item I'm jumping on at first opportunity. The thing having such a slow starting speed really makes it kind of annoying to use if you see it as your first item. Not to mention it's kind of outdated, there's a lot of synergies it doesn't work with, so some really fun builds can just end up being a lot less interesting upon taking it (though not necessarily bad or even run ruining.) I don't hate the item, and there's definitely a few runs where I'll take it, but I can't exactly disagree with the quality 2 rating they slapped onto it. The game is less friendly to ludo runs than it used to be, especially now that running into big synergies with it is way harder with the all the new items. I'd definitely love it way more if the tear was faster at base shot speeds. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 10, 2022 |
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Hopefully complaining about in the thread will break the curse, but I can't for t he life of me get a Mega Satan run going with T. Samson. I just want to unlock the crane game
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I just did that! I lucked out and had a decent run. I think I got umbillical cord and got two of the bullet eating familiars out of it so I was able to just post up right in mega satan's face behind them.
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T. Eve seems really easy when you have all the time in the world and horribly difficult when you're on a time limit.
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T ??? seemed really difficult until I figured out how to play them and then when it clicked, they were the easiest character in the world.
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Edmund Sparkler posted:T ??? seemed really difficult until I figured out how to play them and then when it clicked, they were the easiest character in the world. A lot of the gimmick characters require you to really get in the mindset. You just gotta play only Tainted [insert character] for like 2 days.
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Edmund Sparkler posted:T ??? seemed really difficult until I figured out how to play them and then when it clicked, they were the easiest character in the world. The best T??? feeling is finally figuring out how to make a diy bomb out of different poop effects
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T Beth still feels like one of the easiest characters, since you can just generate a shitload of items every single run.
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Relyssa posted:T Beth still feels like one of the easiest characters, since you can just generate a shitload of items every single run. Until you get to one of the bullet hell bosses and all your wisps get popped.
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PantsBandit posted:Until you get to one of the bullet hell bosses and all your wisps get popped. Yeah, but you still keep all the other items you found along the way. She would be more of a challenge if finding an item only gave you a more durable wisp or two Lemegton charges or something.
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Mons Hubris posted:Yeah, but you still keep all the other items you found along the way. She would be more of a challenge if finding an item only gave you a more durable wisp or two Lemegton charges or something. Yeah it's just always jarring losing all my wisps and realizing "THAT'S how weak I am??"
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I've also recently come to love T Eve, spamming the straw so they don't all get popped immediately. She's slow to start but really fun when she gets properly going.
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