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mycophobia posted:Fwiw you can skip SuperS completely and miss nothing Definitely. That shits real bad. Larryb posted:I dunno, I watched the 90’s series for the first time just a few years ago and had fun with it (in fact it’s probably my favorite incarnation of the franchise aside from the 2000’s live action series) Everyone should definitely watch the Live action. Its so bad that it comes back around to being good. Plus its got Kitagawa Keiko, who is the only one to come out of that thing with a real career. Arc Hammer posted:I think it's because it hit at the right time to capture the attention of a large audience of teens and tweens where it was their first time experiencing a subversive take on the genre, and did it well. Yea 2011 was full of nothing but bangers for their respective genres and was probably the beginning of the second wave of the anime boom. Think about that year: Anohana, Steins;gate, Beezlebub, Usagi Drop, etc.
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NikkolasKing posted:Although that isn't necessarily a sign of having a super dark work. Dragon Ball Z meanwhile, in its most lighthearted arc, has Buu genocide the entire planet(at the heroes' own insistence) and then follows it up by having Buu kill a good chunk of the heroes and their loved ones, too. I think the critical element here is that the character deaths in a "dark" work instill an element of "But why!? *surprised pikachu face*" sense of violation and dread in the viewer (when done well). The work put effort into putting the viewer into a face sense of security and betrayed those expectations, and in some works will see how low you the viewer are willing to go; the viewer will shift their expectations from "Our heroes will vanquish the evil in the world" to "our
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Endorph posted:actually ig fate/stay night also ripped this off. According to Nasu the original plan for FSN came up to him in high school which would probably be before 2002, but seeing the release dates it's possible it did influence them, huh. Although FSN is more of an altered Makai Tensho but with Western figures to not be too obvious by their word (to the point it wrapped back with FGO having literally Fate Makai Tensho as a chapter) Also wb Endorph, we missed ya.
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live action sailor moon owns bones also yea i feel like theres a difference between dark Parts (like in sm or tmm where something bads going on) vs the like, Tone of a show being dark, and i think those two things tend to get conflated a lot (especially when it comes to magical girl stuff, which is basically the same as mecha stuff)
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Roth posted:Thinking of watching Bakemonogatari in my lunch brraks. Good idea: Y/N? Yes. I actually just finished monogatari s2 and hanamonogatari yesterday, both are great! The monogatari series is a tad frustrating because the highs are really, really high, but the lows like nisemonogatari are pretty lovely. I put off watching the rest of the series until this year because of it!
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also happy gunbuster anniversary day https://twitter.com/yuichiro_junior/status/1544504219662979072?s=21&t=5h7ee7RNlXByqwCOAMZyRA
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Fluffdaddy posted:Definitely. That shits real bad. It’s only bad when it comes to the fight scenes/effects (also Luna and Artemis being plush dolls), as far as the story and characters go it’s unironically one of the best incarnations of the franchise in my opinion. I do feel like they made Minako a bit too serious though
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Larryb posted:It’s only bad when it comes to the fight scenes/effects (also Luna and Artemis being plush dolls), as far as the story and characters go it’s unironically one of the best incarnations of the franchise in my opinion. I do feel like they made Minako a bit too serious though Yasuko Kobayashi cannot be stopped. Just back-to-back banger tokusatsu writing with Ryuki and PGSM.
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Humanoid Interfaces are just reverse vtubers.
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super-redguy posted:Yasuko Kobayashi cannot be stopped. Speaking of, PGSM is I believe the only Sailor Moon related thing aside from the musical stage shows that never got brought stateside. They should fix that at some point
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Booky posted:also happy gunbuster anniversary day
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Booky posted:also happy gunbuster anniversary day  It's a wednesday, not saturday. I feel lied to.
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When SM got redubbed did anything happen to the old DiC dub? If not then that's major bumsville.
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Lurking Haro posted:Humanoid Interfaces are just reverse vtubers. whoa
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Nah, they presumably didn't get the rights to that. Obviously it's not lost, you can find it, but still.
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Booky posted:live action sailor moon owns bones Speaking of mecha, the only mecha franchise I've seen a decent bit of is Gundam. The original Gundam starts off with a pretty famous little narration about how Zeon killed a ton of people. But you know what? it means nothing. Half the population died? Big whoop. It has pretty much zero impact on the show. In fact, SEED does a much, much better job with its own pre-show catastrophe as Junius Seven is constantly talked about and we at least get to see couple episodes of the devastation wrought by the PLANTS' N-Jammer counterattack. So having a voice say "and people died" does not make a show dark. MSG 0079 ends with magical space children and it's impossible to come away from the work feeling like "this is a very depressing work with a cynical view of the world." Never seen it but I guess you gotta watch Victory for that. Raenir Salazar posted:I think the critical element here is that the character deaths in a "dark" work instill an element of "But why!? *surprised pikachu face*" sense of violation and dread in the viewer (when done well). The work put effort into putting the viewer into a face sense of security and betrayed those expectations, and in some works will see how low you the viewer are willing to go; the viewer will shift their expectations from "Our heroes will vanquish the evil in the world" to "our That is definitely one approach. Dunno if you play video games but my favorite Final Fantasy is also the one I consider the darkest. Final Fantasy X dumps you in a world pretty much devoid of hope save for the small glint of hope represented by your party. Death and despair equally saturate life in Spira and the writing and atmosphere are committed to this from the word go. That is why I consider it a dark game. But of course there are multiple approaches, just like you can write a lighthearted work with a ton of death - Final Fantasy IX would be a great example of this.
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Wb endorph, glad to see ya back Also whoever posted the power line noise from lain, that's good stuff. Typically it's what I think of when I remember the first time I watched the show
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NikkolasKing posted:Speaking of mecha, the only mecha franchise I've seen a decent bit of is Gundam. The original Gundam starts off with a pretty famous little narration about how Zeon killed a ton of people. But you know what? it means nothing. Half the population died? Big whoop. It has pretty much zero impact on the show. NikkolasKing posted:In fact, SEED does a much, much better job e: mod TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Endorph posted:no seriously madoka is literally just kamen rider ryuki but good
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got high and started watching trigun and this kinda owns actually
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hbag posted:got high and started watching trigun and this kinda owns actually
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Waffleman_ posted:Nah, they presumably didn't get the rights to that. Obviously it's not lost, you can find it, but still. I’m still not sure why they made Usagi sound like she was at least 40 in the Cloverway dub though (the DiC and Viz actresses are much better by comparison though nobody can really compare to Mitsuishi’s performance). That said, I will admit that Miyuu Sawai in PGSM was as close to perfect casting as you can probably get
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Larryb posted:I’m still not sure why they made Usagi sound like she was at least 40 in the Cloverway dub though probably get
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NikkolasKing posted:Speaking of mecha, the only mecha franchise I've seen a decent bit of is Gundam. The original Gundam starts off with a pretty famous little narration about how Zeon killed a ton of people. But you know what? it means nothing. Half the population died? Big whoop. It has pretty much zero impact on the show. In fact, SEED does a much, much better job with its own pre-show catastrophe as Junius Seven is constantly talked about and we at least get to see couple episodes of the devastation wrought by the PLANTS' N-Jammer counterattack. I mean, people like what they like, but 0079 Gundam is pretty dark and nuanced with its political commentary re: war, genocide, colonization, the evolution of man. Seed is basically an animated Affliction Tshirt.
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Alright put Bakemonogatari on in the office and oh no I have been pranked!!!!!
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TenementFunster posted:because dubs are bad and lazily produced, especially back then, and you should watch it with subtitles. the original-language cast is phenomenal, to boot! I have (in fact I make it a habit to always watch any show in its original language first if I can get my hands on it), I only watched the dub a little while after the fact because I was curious (specifically the uncut Viz dub, I’ve only seen clips of the other two) For what it’s worth though, the DiC version did have some pretty good original songs attached to it (Carry On and Only A Memory Away for example)
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hbag posted:got high and started watching trigun and this kinda owns actually Trigun did a very smart thing where it frontloaded the series with the filler episodes and used them to establish Vash, Meryl and Milly's characters and then build up to the reveal that Vash the goofball really is that good a gunman to be called the Humanoid Typhoon. After that there's really only one other filler episode that admittedly is a clipshow but it's used to good effect to again explore the characters.
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Fluffdaddy posted:I mean, people like what they like, but 0079 Gundam is pretty dark and nuanced with its political commentary re: war, genocide, colonization, the evolution of man. "Humans will get psychic powers to Understand one another" is not what I'd consider a complex or subtle take on how humans will evolve. Especially not compared to genetic engineering and cloning being abused by wealthy sociopaths, and the unfortunate victims of the engineering being ostracized by a by a scared public. Which do you think is more likely to happen and is worth thinking about? I got no problem admitting 0079 was not good and the only reason any of us are talking about Gundam in 2022 is because of Zeta, an infinitely superior show
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Fluffdaddy posted:I mean, people like what they like, but 0079 Gundam is pretty dark and nuanced with its political commentary re: war, genocide, colonization, the evolution of man. NikkolasKing posted:I got no problem admitting 0079 was not good and the only reason any of us are talking about Gundam in 2022 is because of Zeta, an infinitely superior show ~*zeta could run because 0079 crawled*~ TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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0079 was a good start but it simply does not kill off enough women
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Booky posted:gundam is cool and also mega blunt about like, war stinking
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this discussion is just reminding me of watching the ideon movie recently and im still loling at the line i posted before even in context it makes 0 sense?? its incredible
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NikkolasKing posted:Speaking of mecha, the only mecha franchise I've seen a decent bit of is Gundam. The original Gundam starts off with a pretty famous little narration about how Zeon killed a ton of people. But you know what? it means nothing. Half the population died? Big whoop. It has pretty much zero impact on the show. In fact, SEED does a much, much better job with its own pre-show catastrophe as Junius Seven is constantly talked about and we at least get to see couple episodes of the devastation wrought by the PLANTS' N-Jammer counterattack. Oh yeah I wouldn't say at all that's the only approach, I'm assuming we're mainly discussing how a "dark" work interacts and contextualizes character death. Like many Fromsoft games are pretty dark and bleak but character death doesn't really define why they are.
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NikkolasKing posted:"Humans will get psychic powers to Understand one another" is not what I'd consider a complex or subtle take on how humans will evolve. Especially not compared to genetic engineering and cloning being abused by wealthy sociopaths, and the unfortunate victims of the engineering being ostracized by a by a scared public. 0079 walked so Zeta, War in the Pocket, etc could run. for 1979, that show had some real oomph to it that most serialized anime TV shows did not.
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