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Jul 7, 2022 04:02
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Kharnifex posted:Havocs still seem cool?
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Jul 7, 2022 04:11
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They can take Precision Shots (6+) Lascannnons - they're absolutely crazy good for killing every character your opponent has. I feel like at least one unit is almost an auto-include for IW players.
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Jul 7, 2022 04:22
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Yvonmukluk posted:It also sets up the Death Eagles, since it notes that they kept their original colours (and that white was a common colour used in loyalist detachments). So since they were probably also running out of purple paint, they'd wind up in the black-and-white colours they have as a chapter post-heresy. quote:War of the False Primarch — 860.M33. Convened as part of the Pentarchy of Blood to enact the judgement of the High Lords of Terra, systematically destroying eleven chapters of the Adeptus Astartes judged Traitoris Perdita. ELEVEN CHAPTERS?
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Jul 7, 2022 08:27
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How's the assault ram compared to last edition? I still really like the model but if it's not much use in 2.0 it'll go down the priority list.
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Jul 7, 2022 10:24
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Cpt Soban posted:ELEVEN CHAPTERS? Would you like to know more?
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Jul 7, 2022 12:25
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Oh that’s a cool project
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Jul 7, 2022 12:44
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ijyt posted:How's the assault ram compared to last edition? I still really like the model but if it's not much use in 2.0 it'll go down the priority list. IIRC it lost the “Terminators only take up one slot” ability, which makes it a pretty expensive way to carry 10 power armored dudes around.
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Jul 7, 2022 13:53
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Other than the FW autocannon kit, does anyone make Marine autocannons that aren't Chaos-ed to hell? Surprised I haven't found a single third party manufacturer that makes them for anything but vehicles or Guard HWTs, and not finding any will put a dent in building Havocs with them.
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Jul 7, 2022 14:41
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If you can wait, GW is releasing a kit in the next few months: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/07/revealed-tool-up-your-new-mark-vi-space-marines-with-an-arsenal-of-classic-weapons/
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Jul 7, 2022 14:45
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Broken Record Talk posted:If you can wait, GW is releasing a kit in the next few months: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/07/revealed-tool-up-your-new-mark-vi-space-marines-with-an-arsenal-of-classic-weapons/ I should have clarified - looking for compatibility with the MkIII kit to make "correct" Havocs. The MkVI hands have Rayman syndrome with the older Marine kits, so on top of the arms being wrong for MkVI I don't have high hopes for compatibility. (I can make it work, just an unnecessary pain in the rear end.)  Every other special and heavy weapon, people seem to have made bits for that are compatible with the old kits - this is the only one that's been skipped, and for an iconic weapon of an iconic unit that didn't make it into plastic until 2019 I'm actually baffled.
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Jul 7, 2022 15:15
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I would, but the website has a bad certificate.
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Jul 7, 2022 15:47
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New plastic Predator https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/08/tackle-anything-the-age-of-darkness-throws-at-you-with-the-versatile-new-predator/
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Jul 8, 2022 14:22
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https://youtu.be/pPLHZKPR9Bc Someone showing some pretty simple methods for painting the first half of the legions. I didn't realize Dark Angels looked like that, even though I'm familiar with that iconic old painting.
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Jul 8, 2022 14:28
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:New plastic Predator Missing the only gun that I would have taken them with, f.
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Jul 8, 2022 14:32
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SkyeAuroline posted:Missing the only gun that I would have taken them with, f. They'll likely release a second box with those options like they did with the AT Warlord/Reaver kit, and hopefully then just release a sprue of just weapons.
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Jul 8, 2022 15:06
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Analyze the Glaive for me, because I have one but am bad at math.
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Jul 8, 2022 16:26
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Beerdeer posted:Analyze the Glaive for me, because I have one but am bad at math. It's 700 points and its main gun is now AP3, without Breaching or Rending, so it's pretty much only good for killing MEQs, which is not a niche that you need a 700-point model to cover. A S8 shot that does 1+D3 hits against vehicles is okay, but not enough to warrant the points there, either. It's simply far too expensive for what it can do. To compare, a 10-man Heavy Support squad with Lascannons is 275 points.
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Jul 8, 2022 17:05
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Yeah but it looks cool so who cares.
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Jul 8, 2022 18:42
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Leviathan weapons all seem good and quite strong. Is there any particular build out worth prioritizing? The melta and a claw or drill is appealing, but maybe melee AT with a big base is a bad idea?
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Jul 8, 2022 18:45
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GreenMarine posted:Leviathan weapons all seem good and quite strong. Is there any particular build out worth prioritizing? The melta and a claw or drill is appealing, but maybe melee AT with a big base is a bad idea? Gotta be able to defend against Dreadnoughts, and doing so in melee with one of your own is a good way to do it.
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Jul 8, 2022 19:17
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Jack B Nimble posted:https://youtu.be/pPLHZKPR9Bc I like that dryer sheet technique for making marble bases. Very clever
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Jul 8, 2022 19:32
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Converted Alpha Legion praetor hell yeah
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Jul 8, 2022 20:13
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Finished a Kratos:   
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Jul 8, 2022 23:09
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Ended up picking up the box set today. Confirmed with the local community that no, there's no bayonets with shrapnel bolters in the interpretation they've been using. So, guess I've got an extra 80 points to spend and the vast bulk of my "use tacticals to pin down targets and chase them down with bayonets, trench raid style" is now invalidated along with most of my intended theming. Cool, I guess. It's not worth splashing out for chainswords on either the main 20-man block or the 10-man blocks in terms of point cost for effectiveness, is it?
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Jul 8, 2022 23:43
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SkyeAuroline posted:Confirmed with the local community that no, there's no bayonets with shrapnel bolters in the interpretation they've been using. That might be rules as written, but it still sounds like a pretty dumb take on the rules. How many of your local community plays legions that have access to variant Bolters? SkyeAuroline posted:It's not worth splashing out for chainswords on either the main 20-man block or the 10-man blocks in terms of point cost for effectiveness, is it? Definitely not. Chainswords might be worth it at like 3 points, but they’re absolutely not worth it at 5. Especially not on 1A Tacticals.
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Jul 9, 2022 00:18
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Broken Record Talk posted:That might be rules as written, but it still sounds like a pretty dumb take on the rules. How many of your local community plays legions that have access to variant Bolters? Of the people in the store at the time I asked, one (store owner) gets hosed by a different variant weapon rule (he has a ton of combi flamers... which Salamanders can't upgrade), one is another IW player, one is unaffected... Fists player, I think? Community has multiple Alpha Legion players, no Sons (either legion, both get them) that I know of, and I think we're the two IW. So at least 4 people play the legions, probably less actually use them to be affected. May well be that I'm the only person who actually tried to use them on tacs. I'm not in touch with the entire community, though - they exclusively organize through Facebook, my old personal Facebook is in that inactive mode (with no intent to reactivate it), and any time I've tried to make an account without my actual personal details it's been banned in minutes, before I even post or message anything, with a demand for legal ID to prove my identity. So I'm limited to just the ~7 I've seen in the shop.
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Jul 9, 2022 00:25
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Hixson posted:Finished a Kratos: Very nice
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Jul 9, 2022 00:27
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Remind me never to post pics of what I paint or model in this thread......a lot of amazing things showed here recently I did pre-order some of the heavy weapons because i NEED a 10 man heavy flamer Death Guard squad hopping out of a Rhino and burning people to feel joy in my life
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Jul 9, 2022 02:26
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Hixson is in a different category than the rest of the thread. Just paint and post.
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Jul 9, 2022 03:23
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If it helps, here's some sorta speedpainted melta guys I finished tonight
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Jul 9, 2022 04:16
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Those are great. Nice work!GreenMarine posted:Leviathan weapons all seem good and quite strong. Is there any particular build out worth prioritizing? The melta and a claw or drill is appealing, but maybe melee AT with a big base is a bad idea? The grav bombard is "dog poo poo" bad
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Jul 9, 2022 05:31
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JcDent posted:Suggesting knowledgeable goons do a rating of PDF stuff? I can periodically go through some of these with commentary. I'm just one person though, and these are my opinions, so your mileage may very. Its a fresh new edition after all. Legion Primus Nullificator Consul While its tough to say how good his rules will be against daemons, against astartes he gets a solid MEQ killing ranged power and a maul that will eat them for breakfast. He also has the option to take a full on disintegrateor, potentially making him quite lethal at range. Overall its a pretty solid choice with a number of options to tweak to your flavor. Legion Warmonger Consul Not nearly as good as before, but still a solid consul. He's the guy you use to deepstrike a unit that normally doesn't have it without relying on a RoW. This can be a pillar for some lists or redundant for others. No longer works in ZM. Legion Nullificator Squad Its tough to say how these guys fit into the meta without daemon rules, but on the nose their shock mauls will do work against MEQ. Each is also able to take a disintegrateor, making them potentially a very lethal shooting unit. The mauls, however, don't do anything against TEQ. They're also cataphracts, so they can't run or sweep, making them less useful for hunting MEQ. So you got an expensive and slow elite hunting unit. If you buy them power fists AND disintegrateors to hunt TEQ, you're looking at 75ppm. There's potential here, but its not cheap, and it probably requires some list building finesse. Legion Castra Ferrum Dreadnought Talon One of the better balanced expanded units when compared to core units. Its cheaper than a contemptor, T6, attacks at I2, and instant death does 3 wounds. Despite that it gets most of the contemptor weapons and is still a 5W T6 model with a 2+5++. These guys are solid, and not as oppressive as contemptors, so I expect to see them on the table. Legion Spatha Attack Bike Squadron There isn't much redeeming about them. An attack bike or sky hunter costs less for more firepower or more wounds. Or you could step up and get a land speeder for more firepower, more wounds, and T5 at the same cost. No scout, no hit and run, not even rules to represent the other riders on the sidecar. Its a low effort, complete miss, by the rules writing team. Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery With BS2 and the Sentry Protocol rule, these are hard to justify taking when you have so many better alternatives. Another example of a writer copy pasting stats while omitting the special rules that made them work. Terminator Indomitus Squad Another one of the better balanced expanded units when compared to core units. These guys fit between Tartaros and Cataphractii- they can't run, but they can sweep, they move only 6", but they can upgrade themselves to have a 4++. No spartans, limited special weapons, but cheap chainfists and thunderhammers. These guys are generalists and they're troops, which means you can take a lot of them, but critically, they don't have line and they are not compulsory. A good option for a number of legions and lists. Avenger Strike Fighter An example of poor overall balance, 170points without upgrades compared to the core xiphon at 105pts is tough to stomach. Ontop of this its lost some special rules and many weapon options. 3HP is welcome, but for an armored ground attack aircraft, its got lighter armor than the xiphon. Usable, but not well balanced. Thunderbolt Fighter Another example of poor balance, the core xiphon at 105pts does everything the thunderbolt wants to do, better, for less points. Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter The premiere armor hunter from the 1st edition, the Lightning returns in the .pdf with a points hike, less special rules, and less weapon options. Without these special rules, you'll need 6 Kraken penetrators vs 4 to grantee a spartan kill. That means 245pts... which gives it a place in some lists. In others, however, you might want two xiphons instead. Or perhaps, something else entirely. BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Jul 9, 2022 |
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Probably worth pointing out that the Xiphon is absolute broken bullshit at 105 points, to the point where its cost has almost got to be a typo, which is the main issue with the 3 planes in the PDF. If you want to be “that guy”, take nothing but Xiphons and Contemptors lol
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Jul 9, 2022 14:51
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Broken Record Talk posted:That's exactly what I'm saying. I really wanna see this because that sounds dope as gently caress!
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Jul 9, 2022 15:39
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So, having picked up the box: I'm guessing I should wait until I can find (or afford) cyclone launchers to make Tyrants out of the terminators rather than use them straight, yeah? Reshuffled my list some thanks to the bayonet issue, took the Havocs out (sadly), and with Tyrants had enough points for "two Rhinos" and basically nothing else... which is two more than I ever hoped to paint, as someone without an airbrush, but whatever, I'll make it work.
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Jul 9, 2022 16:11
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Kleedrac posted:I really wanna see this because that sounds dope as gently caress! If I ever get around to finishing it, I’ll be sure to post it!
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Jul 9, 2022 16:18
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SkyeAuroline posted:So, having picked up the box: I'm guessing I should wait until I can find (or afford) cyclone launchers to make Tyrants out of the terminators rather than use them straight, yeah? Reshuffled my list some thanks to the bayonet issue, took the Havocs out (sadly), and with Tyrants had enough points for "two Rhinos" and basically nothing else... which is two more than I ever hoped to paint, as someone without an airbrush, but whatever, I'll make it work. Highly recommend using the new vehicle Havoc launchers to convert Cataphractii to Tyrants. I don’t have a picture handy, but you should be able to find them online pretty easily.
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Jul 9, 2022 16:21
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Broken Record Talk posted:If I ever get around to finishing it, I’ll be sure to post it! You've probably already realized this, but you'll be able to make two of him.
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moths posted:You've probably already realized this, but you'll be able to make two of him. You have clearly not seen me cut up a model for bitz! 1 + 1 = like 1.25 viable models lol
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