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Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

I'm still hedging my bets that it'll be someone who exclusively posts in the Toonami or Mecha thread or something who no one has ever heard of.


Will this be possibly the right choice...?? Well..Time will tell.

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Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

I'm proud to announce I have been selected as the next ADTRW moderator. I hope you will all work with me to ensure this continues to be the greatest anime community on the internet.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

Sleng Teng posted:

why not start with some thread iks, or has that been tried also

Ibblebibble did a good job.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Ibram Gaunt posted:

I'm still hedging my bets that it'll be someone who exclusively posts in the Toonami or Mecha thread or something who no one has ever heard of.


Will this be possibly the right choice...?? Well..Time will tell.

Ha ha good thing I post in other threads hahaha

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Stairmaster posted:

I'm proud to announce I have been selected as the next ADTRW moderator. I hope you will all work with me to ensure this continues to be the greatest anime community on the internet.

I don’t believe you.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Stairmaster posted:

I'm proud to announce I have been selected as the next ADTRW moderator. I hope you will all work with me to ensure this continues to be the greatest anime community on the internet.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this difficult time.

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Plutonis posted:

You are absolutely lying

Y'all treat moderators like poo poo, accuse them of being pedophiles and then when someone gets probed for accusations yall go hurr uhhh free X and make a whiny rear end QCS thread.

It takes a tough person to do a free job that has almost zero upside.

And also ironically, only 5 people PMed me names to begin with. And of those 10 or so names, all declined.

Almost no one from this thread PMed me. Y'all make all this noise but don't even take 20 seconds to go, hey check this person out. You will do it in here because you like being the center of the attention and you think its some kind of dig at me, but I don't have a single PM from you, or almost anyone else in here.

Endorph posted:

the sa mod nomination process seems to be that you can't recommend yourself, if you want the job you don't get it, you have to be nominated for the job, but if too many people nominate you its a discord conspiracy, and there's no official thread for nomination

We don't like self nominations because people too eager to get buttons seems like they are going to be weird. The rest of what you said isn't a factor because the admins are all old as poo poo and don't care about none of that.

We do try to stay away from cult of personality posters, because drama follows them everywhere they post.

Anyways, I will circle back to the thread when I get done conferring with the other admins.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I almost had a nervous breakdown within a week of becoming an IK, I wouldn't wish being a moderator on my worst enemy

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

Fluffdaddy posted:

Y'all treat moderators like poo poo, accuse them of being pedophiles and then when someone gets probed for accusations yall go hurr uhhh free X and make a whiny rear end QCS thread.

Wait, we?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Fluffdaddy posted:

Almost no one from this thread PMed me. Y'all make all this noise but don't even take 20 seconds to go, hey check this person out. You will do it in here because you like being the center of the attention and you think its some kind of dig at me, but I don't have a single PM from you, or almost anyone else in here.
Did you ever say 'hey, im accepting PMs for admin suggestions' in that visible a way? That's a legitimate question. I never sent you a PM because I did not know that was the method we were supposed to use. If you wanted a bunch of PMs for who should be the next admin of ADTRW, you'd think you could make a sticky thread going 'PM me your suggestions on who you think the next admin should be.'

Also I don't think ADTRW were the ones accusing people of being pedophiles in the vtuber drama, lol.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 9, 2022

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Endorph posted:

Did you ever say 'hey, im accepting PMs for admin suggestions' in that visible a way? That's a legitimate question. I never sent you a PM because I did not know that was the method we were supposed to use.

Also I don't think ADTRW were the ones accusing people of being pedophiles in the vtuber drama, lol.

I did, in this thread specifically. You weren't here.

Homeless Snail, who posts in this thread in particular, takes pride in harassing mods. As does Larry. He literally just called me a pedophile a few pages ago.


I mean posters in general. Moderators are held accountable for all moderators actions (ie, mods are pedos), and its just as bullshit as holding all posters accountable for some posters actions.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

snail loves loving with admins but ive never seen him call anyone a pedophile or anything, i wouldnt describe anything he does as 'harassment'. maybe ive missed it but he seems to just joke about making vtuber threads/stirring drama, not any actual personal accusations. larry sucks and should be probated strenuously and i refuse to accept him as one of us. this is advice that extends far beyond this thread but i think pedophile accusations without proof, or at least some kind of legitimate good cause, should be an immediate ban. imo.

i think a single chat thread post isn't really that open a call so its reasonable people missed it. this thread is way past its peak but still moves relatively fast compared to a lot of the subforum. i think its unfair to accuse people of only wanting to be the center of attention when theyre just mildly joking about this forum not having had an actual mod for months, i dont think anyone (besides larry, who sucks and isnt one of us) is legitimately trying to get under your skin or anything.

Sleng Teng
May 3, 2009

I'm not sure every, or even most, posters in this sub read this thread regularly or at all. Granted, I'm also not actually sure a sticky thread would make much of a difference since I feel like a lot of posters also just read 1-2 threads from their bookmarks list and aren't people like me who never use bookmarks. Which is why I was wondering about multiple iks, but something makes me think that would get a similar reaction to a mod offer

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
I like Fluffdaddy calling the thread out. Warms my heart.

Also sure, throw up a sticky with a Google doc to collect names for mod/IKs then you just have a list to go through.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

If you want people to PM you suggestions, make a thread. It’s not even being asked in the rules thread, the only thing in there is that you’re the temp mod and that you’ll be soliciting regulars in March.

Fundamentally we want a mod who is one of us and will stand up for us when the next inevitable qcs thread happens about real idols or whatever.

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

It's almost like there is a subculture on these forums bent on poo poo stirring and it's endured instead of taken care of.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

If you’re mad at people making jokes in the chat thread, make more than no effort.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Namtab posted:

If you want people to PM you suggestions, make a thread. It’s not even being asked in the rules thread, the only thing in there is that you’re the temp mod and that you’ll be soliciting regulars in March.

Fundamentally we want a mod who is one of us and will stand up for us when the next inevitable qcs thread happens about real idols or whatever.
does anyone on this forum even post about real idols. or do you mean like, love live, not actual real people

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Endorph posted:

snail loves loving with admins but ive never seen him call anyone a pedophile or anything, i wouldnt describe anything he does as 'harassment'. maybe ive missed it but he seems to just joke about making vtuber threads/stirring drama, not any actual personal accusations. larry sucks and should be probated strenuously and i refuse to accept him as one of us. this is advice that extends far beyond this thread but i think pedophile accusations without proof, or at least some kind of legitimate good cause, should be an immediate ban. imo.

i think a single chat thread post isn't really that open a call so its reasonable people missed it. this thread is way past its peak but still moves relatively fast compared to a lot of the subforum. i think its unfair to accuse people of only wanting to be the center of attention when theyre just mildly joking about this forum not having had an actual mod for months, i dont think anyone (besides larry, who sucks and isnt one of us) is legitimately trying to get under your skin or anything.

I have asked several times, and all I have gotten back is silence. Like I said, I got about 10 or so nominations.

I will also say almost none of them were people who post regularly in this thread. So that tells me that people who read this thread and don't necessarily post in here were the ones willing to throw their friends names out there.

homeless snail posted:

Yeah I'm responsible for one if not both of the last two adtrws mods melting down and resigning over the vtuber thread, and I'll be doing it to the next mod before too long. Its a good honeypot for the dumbest motherfuckers in the world to come in and somehow get themselves banned from the most trollable thread in the forums, for asking for child porn.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)


This kind of thing is why so many people say no. Again, I will run people's suggestions today through the other Admins and mods and get back to everyone tomorrow.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Endorph posted:

does anyone on this forum even post about real idols. or do you mean like, love live, not actual real people

I’m making the real idol thread at midnight on December 31st

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Endorph posted:

does anyone on this forum even post about real idols. or do you mean like, love live, not actual real people

I don't think I have ever seen anyone post about actual idols. And frankly, as long as they aren't being creepy about it, it wouldn't be a problem. But I know thats physically impossible in idol only message forums. Theres always a couple.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

i think you're kinda taking that post of snail's out of context, multiple people were implying he was a pedophile and he was making fun of an FYAD poster who literally made some weird joke about asking for child porn in the vtuber thread, he wasnt accusing the mods of doing that. also i know snail, theyre friends with half the old ADTRW mods including ones that he was joking about there. he was joking about how much drama he caused just by making a vtuber thread but he wasnt calling the mods pedophiles and he wasnt encouraging harassment of them.

Vizuyos
Jun 17, 2020

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Fluffdaddy posted:

This kind of thing is why so many people say no. Again, I will run people's suggestions today through the other Admins and mods and get back to everyone tomorrow.

this is a bit, right? you're loving with us, right?

i literally cannot believe you took that post seriously and are pointing to it as an honest example of ADTRW posters abusing da mods

my brain cannot process the possibility of you being serious here

anyway, let's put aside homeless snail, who i have never seen being unkind to anyone, not even when they were accused of being a pedophile by weird driveby posters

yeah, posters in ADTRW are mean to you sometimes. but that doesn't mean they're mean to mods in general

the actual ADTRW mods got treated like that by people who didn't post here

you're the only one who gets treated like that by people who do post here

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Snail is thirsty for mod blood!

GiantRockFromSpace
Mar 1, 2019

Just Cram It


Endorph posted:

i think you're kinda taking that post of snail's out of context, multiple people were implying he was a pedophile and he was making fun of an FYAD poster who literally made some weird joke about asking for child porn in the vtuber thread, he wasnt accusing the mods of doing that. also i know snail, theyre friends with half the old ADTRW mods including ones that he was joking about there. he was joking about how much drama he caused just by making a vtuber thread but he wasnt calling the mods pedophiles and he wasnt encouraging harassment of them.

Yeah, it's pretty much that.

That said the risk of the QCS/FYAD/GBS/whatever subforum clique just barging in, stirring poo poo up and accusing everyone of being a pedophile if called out until you get a mental breakdown is an actual and much more understandable reason for no one wanting to be a mod.

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Endorph posted:

i think you're kinda taking that post of snail's out of context, multiple people were implying he was a pedophile and he was making fun of an FYAD poster who literally made some weird joke about asking for child porn in the vtuber thread, he wasnt accusing the mods of doing that. also i know snail, theyre friends with half the old ADTRW mods including ones that he was joking about there. he was joking about how much drama he caused just by making a vtuber thread but he wasnt calling the mods pedophiles and he wasnt encouraging harassment of them.

I think saying "I make mods melt down" is kinda lovely. Like in what context is that healthy, and why would anyone want to come in behind it and be the next mod?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Do you really think in that thread Snail is the problem and why nobody wants to be ADTRW mod?

symbolic
Nov 2, 2014

that's it, i think it's now become extremely clear: the time to mod Plutonis is nigh

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Fluffdaddy posted:

I think saying "I make mods melt down" is kinda lovely. Like in what context is that healthy, and why would anyone want to come in behind it and be the next mod?

The context is that snail was joking. As I said at the time, and have continued to say, part of the reason why nobody wants to be a mod is because they feel that when people come trolling about vtubers or whatever the next thing is (the idol thread), the mod doesn’t feel supported by the admins.

Lurking Haro posted:

It's almost like there is a subculture on these forums bent on poo poo stirring and it's endured instead of taken care of.

It’s this,.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Waffleman_ posted:

I almost had a nervous breakdown within a week of becoming an IK, I wouldn't wish being a moderator on my worst enemy
that must've been why people were nominating me for mod back in the day, to put an even bigger target on my back

From prior mod experience on another forum, I know just how insane people can be over the tiniest bullshit, like doxxing me and calling my house because of a day-long ban. being a mod is an entirely thankless job unless you just want to see the mod forum, and if that's your goal you probably shouldn't be mod to begin with

Sleng Teng posted:

Granted, I'm also not actually sure a sticky thread would make much of a difference since I feel like a lot of posters also just read 1-2 threads from their bookmarks list
this is a problem with most of the entire forum, really, there's no real good answer for it because removing bookmarks would just disincentivize people to bother at all

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Fluffdaddy posted:

I think saying "I make mods melt down" is kinda lovely. Like in what context is that healthy, and why would anyone want to come in behind it and be the next mod?
I was joking about two people that I have talked to almost every day for the last decade, and continue to talk to on a regular basis after they stepped down lmao

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Endorph posted:

Do you really think in that thread Snail is the problem and why nobody wants to be ADTRW mod?

Not as just one person, no, but that mentality on the forums as a whole. Its an endemic problem forum-wide.

We have people turn down mod positions in the most innocuous places because this forum as a whole treats its moderators and admins like poo poo.

The reason I do the things I do is to take as much heat off of mods as I can, unless they actually have hosed up. I don't actually care what people say about me. And I guarantee that as long as the next mod isn't some secret creep in here, I'll go to war for them too when someone decides to treat them like poo poo.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Fluffdaddy posted:

I think saying "I make mods melt down" is kinda lovely. Like in what context is that healthy, and why would anyone want to come in behind it and be the next mod?
ah yes, the one casually poking the beehive of qcs for giggles is the problem, not the ones sharpening their pitchforks and dipping rags in oil and tying them around sticks

The idiot throng of qcs regulars will never listen to anything in good faith so snail was having some fun with those insane morons

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

pentyne posted:

Aside from Gundam, what other actually great mecha anime are worth watching? Votoms is the only other classic one I know about.
also macross

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


The forums seem like they'd be improved vastly if we just banned all the QCS regulars, but that seems untenable

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Fluffdaddy posted:

Not as just one person, no, but that mentality on the forums as a whole. Its an endemic problem forum-wide.

We have people turn down mod positions in the most innocuous places because this forum as a whole treats its moderators and admins like poo poo.

The reason I do the things I do is to take as much heat off of mods as I can, unless they actually have hosed up. I don't actually care what people say about me. And I guarantee that as long as the next mod isn't some secret creep in here, I'll go to war for them too when someone decides to treat them like poo poo.
That isn't actually Snail's mentality. He was joking about two of his best friends. While being called a pedophile. He was joking/venting about how insane the drama was, while he and his friends were being called pedophiles for occasionally posting about youtubers. There were some weird posts in the vtuber thread but Snail never made any of them.

Like I promised I'd stay out of forums drama when I reregged so I'll stay out of it after this but, this, is why nobody wants to be ADTRW mod, specifically, even more than other forums. Whenever 50 people decide to descend and call everyone pedophiles you single out some ADTRW poster joking about how much drama they accidentally caused as the problem and ban and punish them, and all the people calling them pedophiles get off scottfree. You literally did that, in that thread. 'You'll go to war for them' has literally never been proven. You have always kowtowed immediately to whatever weird FYAD drama is going on. You gave someone a week in this thread for posting something that blatantly wasn't a vtuber because it sort of vaguely looked like one, even though the vtuber drama is long since past. Nobody trusts you when you say stuff like that.

I don't think you're a bad guy or anything and you're clearly frustrated by the state of things too, and I would not wnat to be in your position for even a day so I have a ton of sympathy for you, don't take this as me ragging on you, but you need to understand these are the reasons people turned you down, and you have a hand in that perception.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jul 9, 2022

Vizuyos
Jun 17, 2020

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Fluffdaddy posted:

The reason I do the things I do is to take as much heat off of mods as I can, unless they actually have hosed up. I don't actually care what people say about me. And I guarantee that as long as the next mod isn't some secret creep in here, I'll go to war for them too when someone decides to treat them like poo poo.

you don't really do a good job of showing it, then, because the popular perception here is that the mods get thrown under the isekai bus by admins who see them taking tons of heat and refuse to do anything about it. that is what i hear from people who think that it would a terrible idea to become a mod of ADTRW

it's been a while and I try not to let QCS bullshit occupy my memory, but I don't really remember you coming out in support of Baal, especially in the kind of forceful and impassioned way which could be described as going to war for them

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

There was one admin that Baal felt supported by, and it wasn’t you.

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Captain Invictus posted:

ah yes, the one casually poking the beehive of qcs for giggles is the problem, not the ones sharpening their pitchforks and dipping rags in oil and tying them around sticks

The idiot throng of qcs regulars will never listen to anything in good faith so snail was having some fun with those insane morons


Heres the thing, though. The Vtuber thing is just like the whole Chipmunk debacle in CSPAM.

Instead of acknowledging that okay, yea, i can see why people would find this stuff creepy or gross, it automatically turned into an "US vs them". And then, out of the woodworks comes people being actually creepy and gross re: Vtubers/Chipmunks trying to say "well actually, those kids aren't really kids, etc." which means it is just easier to shut the whole show down than having to decide which people are in it for fun and which ones are in it to be sexual predators.


I wouldn't want idol chat on these forums either, for similar reasons. I like idols. I know a lot about them. I have been a part of the international Jpop community longer than I have posted here. But I have also distanced myself because just like with the VTubers, there just has to be someone to be disgusting and we inevitably had a yearly outing of a creeper. And thats just in the international community. The wotas in Japan have way worse culture problems, not to mention the exploitive nature of the companies themselves.


Anyways, all that to say all of this would be easier to deal with if people were more kind and less lovely to one another. But it is not the reality of the culture of these forums, for better or for worse. But we are working on it, but its hard to change the fundamental core of something as old as this.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

The chipmunk debacle is pretty different insomuch as the chipmunk thing was someone posting alvin the chipmunk getting a blowjob and people mostly getting mad at the guy who posted alvin the chipmunk getting a blowjob, versus some people making weird posts in the vtuber thread and literally everyone who posted in the vtuber thread or indeed in ADTRW getting called a pedophile even if they said 'that post was weird yeah.'

like i agree the well is pretty poisoned as far as a vtuber thread goes at this juncture but come on

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