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isnt the whole thing with the Mach E GT that the thermal management is totally hosed so it can't perform up to its specs?
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Sab669 posted:Oh, KIA, right. The Ford pulls power halfway through the run so it’s not at all hard to believe that the Kia could run 1s faster if it doesn’t fall off a cliff past 70mph or so. The model Y performance runs high 11s.
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Jul 8, 2022 17:17
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If you use all same sources (MT in this case) to try and eliminate some variance in the 1/4 times, the times are: Mach-E GT: 12.6 @ 101 Model Y P: 12.0 @ 115 Model 3 P: 11.5 @ 117 Taycan Turbo S: 10.5 @ 131 And that video makes it seem like the EV6 GT will slot in somewhere between the 3P and the Taycan Turbo S which would be pretty amazing for a larger/heavier CUV.
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Jul 8, 2022 18:35
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The Ford pulls power halfway through the run so it’s not at all hard to believe that the Kia could run 1s faster if it doesn’t fall off a cliff past 70mph or so. The model Y performance runs high 11s. IIRC the Ford also has shorter gearing than the Teslas. I can't remember how much but with mine when it felt sluggish even in the 50-70 area (which is before it starts to pull power) I went looking because I wondered if that might be part of it, and it was. That gearing plus I'm guessing some aspect of their electric motors (lower redline? The difference between induction and permanent magnets? Dunno) is also part of the problem and probably mostly responsible for the Mach having a top speed of 124 while the Y is 155. Ford really put all their eggs in the 0-60 basket and said gently caress everything else.
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Jul 8, 2022 18:39
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bird with big dick posted:Ford really put all their eggs in the 0-60 basket and said gently caress everything else. so calling it a mustang was the correct choice
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Jul 8, 2022 18:51
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:so calling it a mustang was the correct choice 
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bird with big dick posted:IIRC the Ford also has shorter gearing than the Teslas. I can't remember how much but with mine when it felt sluggish even in the 50-70 area (which is before it starts to pull power) I went looking because I wondered if that might be part of it, and it was. That gearing plus I'm guessing some aspect of their electric motors (lower redline? The difference between induction and permanent magnets? Dunno) is also part of the problem and probably mostly responsible for the Mach having a top speed of 124 while the Y is 155. Electric cars have a single gear*. They can rev a lot higher than an ICE, but they have to make a tradeoff somewhere. *Except the Taycan. That has two, IIRC.
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Jul 9, 2022 05:45
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That’s just it though, the Teslas can do over 150 mph and their 0-60 is better. The Ford is making a trade off that the Tesla doesn’t have to, because Ford doesnt have the motor/battery chops that Tesla does.
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Jul 9, 2022 06:04
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bird with big dick posted:That’s just it though, the Teslas can do over 150 mph and their 0-60 is better. The Ford is making a trade off that the Tesla doesn’t have to, because Ford doesnt have the motor/battery chops that Tesla does. I'm not defending the Ford, I'm just clarifying. The Mach E is a sad disappointment.
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Jul 9, 2022 06:16
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Mach E is fine and good. It's not the best in 0-60 dick measuring but it's a great solid EV with a dealer network you can actually get it serviced at if need be. It also has actual buttons and switch gear instead of the coat cutting Tesla approach of EVERYTHING IN ONE SCREEN ITS THE FUTURE bullshit. I test drove a Mach E AWD extended range and a GT recently and they are PLENTY fast in normal driving, they handle pretty nice too. I will agree in the charging network game Tesla has a huge leg up on everyone.
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Jul 9, 2022 12:43
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The impression I get is that calling it a Mustang Mach-E instead of an E-scape or whatever was a bit of marketing stunt - clearly more people care because of the name, but it doesn’t quite live up to expectations. It also seems to have a lot of own-goal first-gen teething problems. The refresh will probably be pretty solid.
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david_a posted:The impression I get is that calling it a Mustang Mach-E instead of an E-scape or whatever was a bit of marketing stunt - clearly more people care because of the name, but it doesn’t quite live up to expectations. It also seems to have a lot of own-goal first-gen teething problems. The refresh will probably be pretty solid. Outside of the GT, which is it’s own can of worms, I’m not sure the teething issues are any worse than any new model, especially a first EV. The big recall is for the faulty contactors, which isn’t great, but at least it’s not a battery fire recall like the Bolt or Kona EV.
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Jul 9, 2022 15:57
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KillHour posted:*Except the Taycan. That has two, IIRC.
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Jul 9, 2022 23:23
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I really wanted to give a poo poo about the Mach E GT, but it just seems like every month now there is something better coming out. Plus it doesnt help that it costs 60k+, doesnt have ventilated seats as an option, and the whole only 5 second boost mode/low trap speed thing. I hoped that was a software thing they would tweak or correct, but it sounds like that either hasnt happened, or isnt happening.
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Jul 10, 2022 08:04
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The other Mach-E models are perfectly fine and competitive, the GT is a mess and in no way worth the extra money.
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Jul 10, 2022 08:09
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The other Mach-E models are perfectly fine and competitive, the GT is a mess and in no way worth the extra money. I can agree with that.
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Jul 10, 2022 21:39
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You can debate whether or not they should have called any of it a Mustang but what is not at all even debatable is whether they should have called it a Mustang GT Performance Edition. They should not have. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2019-chevrolet-camaro-ss-vs-2019-ford-mustang-gt-convertible-comparison-test/ In this test the Mustang and Camaro both ran identical 12.7 second 1/4s and differed by only 0.7 mph trap speeds. The Mach-E GTPE is 0.6 seconds and 14 mph slower than its competition, the Model Y P. Its not competitive. It's embarrassing.
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Jul 10, 2022 22:24
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Shortly after the release of the GT there was a dude that got rapidly banned from the main Mach-E forum for telling GT buyers that they were all suckers that fell for Ford marketing department prattle. That dude was right.
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Jul 10, 2022 23:23
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bird with big dick posted:Shortly after the release of the GT there was a dude that got rapidly banned from the main Mach-E forum for telling GT buyers that they were all suckers that fell for Ford marketing department prattle. Was it you?
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Jul 11, 2022 00:37
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How does the 580 hp $51k F150 Lightning Pro compare to the Mach-E in bench racing?
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If it has the towing package that adds a second a/c compressor then favorably probably
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Twerk from Home posted:How does the 580 hp $51k F150 Lightning Pro compare to the Mach-E in bench racing? C&D tested a Platinum trim which has the dual motor and extended battery and it trapped the exact same as the Mach E GT they tested. Slower to 60 but a few mph higher trap speed. It also weighs almost 2000 pounds more.
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Jul 11, 2022 02:18
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Kia Soul Enthusias posted:Was it you? No I got banned much later
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Jul 11, 2022 17:57
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Ford is not having a great year, here's another recall. Throw this on top of the 100K they just recalled. Very distressing as the resident Ford homer, hope they get their poo poo figured out. quote:Description Ford Motor Company (Ford) is recalling certain 2022 Lincoln Aviator and Ford Explorer vehicles. The engine rails may have been improperly heat-treated. As such, these vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard numbers 208, "Occupant Crash Protection" and 301, "Fuel System Integrity."
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Jul 11, 2022 22:38
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the gently caress is an "engine rail"
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Jul 11, 2022 22:46
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BraveUlysses posted:the gently caress is an "engine rail" The frame rail in the engine bay that the subframe attaches to, I believe. https://ford.oemdtc.com/8864/22c13-inspect-engine-rail-assembly-2022-lincoln-aviator-ford-explorer The good news is that only 77 of these defective rails are out there, the bad news is its unknown what vehicles they went onto.
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BraveUlysses posted:the gently caress is an "engine rail" Front chassis rail I presume.....?
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Lol those cars are going to be crushed
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Force Out, Recall Destined
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Outside of the GT, which is it’s own can of worms, I’m not sure the teething issues are any worse than any new model, especially a first EV. The big recall is for the faulty contactors, which isn’t great, but at least it’s not a battery fire recall like the Bolt or Kona EV. Not yet anyway. All these other quality problems don't inspire confidence in the long-term durability of the battery.
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Jul 11, 2022 23:34
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PBCrunch posted:Not yet anyway. All these other quality problems don't inspire confidence in the long-term durability of the battery. You know Ford doesn’t make the batteries right?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:You know Ford doesn’t make the batteries right? True, but they do buy them and put them in Ford products.
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Ambassadorofsodomy posted:True, but they do buy them and put them in Ford products. Yes, you’ve correctly identified the relationship between supplier and manufacturer.
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Jul 12, 2022 01:06
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Ford doesn’t make the batteries but they do purchase them and insert them into their cooling system made of plastic drip irrigation lines suspended in a matrix of dead leaves.
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Jul 12, 2022 01:42
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bird with big dick posted:Ford doesn’t make the batteries but they do purchase them and insert them into their cooling system made of plastic drip irrigation lines suspended in a matrix of dead leaves. I'm sorry I'm only aware of battery braces being made with leaves in Tesla products
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Jul 12, 2022 01:56
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That was only for like three months those Teslas are now collectors items.
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Jul 12, 2022 02:38
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bird with big dick posted:That was only for like three months those Teslas are now collectors items. I read that as a joke and then slowly realized it was true.
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Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Yes, you’ve correctly identified the relationship between supplier and manufacturer. I guess I get a gold star!! I was trying to back up pb crunch's point about the perceived long term durability of the batteries. My point was that if these batteries turn out to be lovely, regardless of whether they are made by Ford or an outside company it will look bad on Ford. Same with say the 6 litre international
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Lol one of my sister's worked at the Giga Factory in Reno on the battery line and they used popsicle sticks as spacers between the cells or whatever for like a full week.
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So this problem is with Ford Explorer? But isn't the Maverick on the same platform? Are they made in the same plant on the same line?
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