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It's also the only one that existed beyond the finale 20 minutes or so of Avengers: Endgame, and the Strange/Starlord team tried to take it on Titan. The Avengers initial plan at the start of Endgame is to take it and use it to restore the missing people too. No one else managed to use it, but they wanted to and tried to do so. The gauntlet isn't his symbol, and it's not symbolic of him. More importantly, it is the only gauntlet most people associate with the stones, both in the real world and, more than likely, in the films because the other one existed for such a short time before Tony died using it, where lots of aliens, Asgardians and probably even humans saw Thanos using the golden one. AdmiralViscen posted:Gorr was right You're right, because it's not text at all and the movie is not subtle about his failings.
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When anyone hears the terms “infinity gauntlet” or “infinity stones” they always think of Thanos. ALWAYS.
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oldpainless posted:When anyone hears the terms “infinity gauntlet” or “infinity stones” they always think of Thanos. as the person with an infinity gauntlet avatar I'm gonna trust you on this one
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oldpainless posted:When anyone hears the terms “infinity gauntlet” or “infinity stones” they always think of Thanos. In the real world? Maybe they think of Thanos first, but I bet you a lot of people think of Tony almost as fast and that it's possible some think of him first. In the fictional setting of New Asgard? I'll remind you that Odin kept the Infinity Gauntlet, or a replica of it, in his trophy room for what is implied to be centuries, so a lot of Asgardians probably don't associate Thanos with it intrinsically given they probably thought Odin had it for a long time.
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Nah everyone knows who did what in the MCU world.
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Jul 15, 2022 02:41
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In the Jason Aaron arc that inspired the movie it's established that Thor is sympathetic to Gorr's cause and suspects he's correct. It's how Jane Thor came to be.
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Jul 15, 2022 03:21
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tsob posted:You're right, because it's not text at all They literally go to a city where all the gods piss about having orgies instead of helping anyone
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A sad state of affairs because you can help people and still have orgies, surely.
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Rarity posted:They literally go to a city where all the gods [that are there] piss about having orgies instead of helping anyone Which they do in order to stop the guy called the God-BUTCHER after Thor laments how he hurt Sif and killed some really nice Gods, before the God-BUTCHER kidnaps some kids. You know, in order to get revenge for the Gods not helping his kid? It's totally okay though, because he only did it since he knew Thor, a God, would try to help those kids. Then he can kill the God trying to help save the people he's kidnapped, and take his axe. All in service of genocide. A completely sane and serviceable solution to his issues. Why don't more people give genocide a chance, really? After all, look at all the good things it did. Killing the Gods of those people Thor and the Guardians are fighting on behalf of at the start of the film immediately improved their lives by introducing them to those lovely owl guys, and thousands of people rang the Guardians in a panic to tell them how thankful they are that their Gods are dead, and really, everything is spiffy now. Yup, genocide against the Gods works out just dandy for everyone and mean 'ol Thor totally agreed with the God-BUTCHER, but stopped him anyway. tsob fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Jul 15, 2022 08:00
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Gods are not analogous to a race, they're the rich. The whole Zeus scene makes that pretty blunt.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:Gods are not analogous to a race, they're the rich. The whole Zeus scene makes that pretty blunt. Killing all the rich people en-masse is still genocide, because genocide is not confined to "killing one race of people en-masse". The definition as originally coined applied to national or ethnic groups (which "Gods" would fall under, within the setting), but has since broadened out over the last few decades as mass killings occurred to be applied to any large group of people. Google's dictionary definition reflecting that as "the systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity." Which describes what Gorr was doing, whether you apply it to the literal, in universe definition or the figurative, real world analogue. Even if it couldn't be applied to Gods or rich people though; does that make systematic killing of them okay? Is said systematic killing legally distinct enough to not deserve the label because it's "only" rich people? Should Thor die because Zeus was a dick? Is his death justifiable because he was a dick himself in the past, and no amount of change or good work can over turn the bad or just indifference? tsob fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Jul 15, 2022 13:27
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Yes we should eat the rich
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"Systematic mass killing (which is not genocide!) is okay when it's the people I don't like" - SA Goon. Good to know.
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Jul 15, 2022 13:52
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It's true - kill the billionaires.
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tsob posted:"Systematic mass killing (which is not genocide!) is okay when it's the people I don't like" - SA Goon. Good to know. Yea if you don't agree with killing the rich I dunno why you're on the forums nowadays. Killing the gods is objectively good.
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In this Interconnected Fictional Universe the Gods had 30 something movies to help out or make anything marginally better for regular people and Thor himself is literally the only one shown to care. All others are shown to be actively bad or totally indifferent, even when it's their own club being targeted. So yes the universe is better off without them even if Chris Hemsworth is nice. Even within this one specific movie: Thor lets the blue people and the crow people slaughter each other until the time's right to make a Cool Guy Entrance. That's pretty lovely too A True Jar Jar Fan fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Jul 15, 2022 14:01
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:In this Interconnected Fictional Universe the Gods had 30 something movies to help out or make anything marginally better for regular people and Thor himself is literally the only one shown to care. All others are shown to be actively bad or totally indifferent, even when it's their own club being targeted. Odin, Heimdall, Sif, Valkyrie and probably a few others are shown to care even in the movies, but if you branch out to TV shows then you also have Khonshu (selfish, but still trying) and Taweret. Thor also mentions the God whose body he and Korg appear in front of during Love & Thunder was really nice, and belonged to a group of caring Gods; which implies there are more out there beyond the Asgardians or Earth in general, even putting aside all the aliens who appeared to be in distress after their Gods are killed within the movie, because in the case of the one group we see, their home immediately got invaded due to it. So no, it's not just Chris Hemsworth and in fiction the universe is shown to be worse without them; at least in the short term, whether it can re-balance or not.
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The more I think about New Asgard the worse it gets. The comics played with the idea of Asgard in Earth for a few years so this isn’t even new! Asgard once got stuck in Oklahoma and they were there for years. You know what they didn’t do? Turn into a capitalistic vacation hellhole where they were forced to whore themselves with tourism to survive because Asgardians were still pretty much gods to us! They still live for apparent literal centuries, maybe millennia. They will be around long after we’re gone. Why are they bothering to play human at all? What happened to the medics and magical technology from Thor 2? Asgard was destroyed but did the knowledge? Odin ruled and then guarded nine realms, all equal magical and fantastical realms. Sure like 4 of them may hate Asgardians but that’s still better than the alternative! You don’t have anyone exploring to rebuild what you had? Reclaim some of the magic tech you’ve used your entire existence? Best you can do is… settle for how humans live? With all that befalls? In the comics, they hung out near the town of Broxton but they never dropped their culture or way of life. Sure Broxton got destroyed a couple of times, once to capitalism, but that was more of collateral rather than Asgardians falling to human ways. Taika turned Asgard into a pathetic punchline where every aspect of their new way of life is a different joke.
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If there's a group of Good Gods out there maybe at least one should have volunteered to help Thor. The crow people fight has its own gross subtext too, "without the gods/rich, undesirables will flood your neighborhoods." Of course they're shown to be inhuman, incapable of speech, and with no motive other than destruction.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:The crow people fight has its own gross subtext too, "without the gods/rich, undesirables will flood your neighborhoods." Of course they're shown to be inhuman, incapable of speech, and with no motive other than destruction. The gods will also happily destroy their own place of worship rather than have the undesirables have it.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Why are they bothering to play human at all? What happened to the medics and magical technology from Thor 2? Asgard was destroyed but did the knowledge? Odin ruled and then guarded nine realms, all equal magical and fantastical realms. Sure like 4 of them may hate Asgardians but that’s still better than the alternative! You don’t have anyone exploring to rebuild what you had? Reclaim some of the magic tech you’ve used your entire existence? Best you can do is… settle for how humans live? With all that befalls? 1) Most Asgardians aren't mighty, empowered Gods on Thor's level. A lot of them appear to be barely more than human, beyond living longer (which has been true since Thor 1 so far as I recall). Which may just be down to good technology/magic. So they're probably playing human, because without said magitech, that's really all they are. 2) Said magitech was probably destroyed along with Asgard given that everyone had to beat a hasty retreat to one ship, which only a few thousand Asgardians made it to, and none of them were carrying a lot of possessions. What knowledge they have is probably (a) fragmented, and (b) somewhat worthless without appropriate resources. Much of which probably depends on being able to use things like spaceships and the Bifrost to travel the length and breadth of the 9 Realms to get anything they need. 3) They are reclaiming some of that technology, as evidenced in flying boats; they have to use it for commercial purposes to try and scrape a living in the context of fairly human lives though. They'll probably build up the tech tree to more (I would be surprised if New Asgard didn't show advancements in a theoretical Thor 5), but what tech they have is being used just to live and keep even a parody of their culture alive, rather than to sail the stars to explore the remains of Asgard or something. Which they are incapable of right now. Or at least, they were up until maybe a few weeks ago, maybe even a few days ago, when Jane appeared. As a question to you, would you find it believable or preferable (either or) if, after fleeing as refugees before the one ship holding the entire remaining people and culture of Asgard is attacked and further battered by Thanos that New Asgard would be filled with magitech the refugees created in a handful of years after Thor passed the mantle of leadership to Valkyrie? If New Asgard was filled with...I don't know, stables of winged horses, flying chariots, sky-scrapers etc? As opposed to having hints at those things, but not having had the means to recreate any of it in a couple of years after being scattered to the winds by multiple defeats that destroyed pretty much everyone and everything they have? Cause honestly, I just don't see how the second would feel right in the setting following all that. Like, imagine taking a city like New York (because Asgard itself never looked like more than a big city really), then picking a random smattering of 10,000 people from New York who can only take what they can carry that's basically immediately to hand and load them onto a boat before pounding New York into dust. Give them a few days to settle into life onboard that boat, then attack the ship, kill some more and let it list into harbor on some deserted island. How much culture do you think those 9,000 or so people are going to maintain from their old life? How long before they build any significant technology? Before they can find and sail back to New York to retrieve some remnants of their lives (or more likely, that of their ancestors)? Bear in mind that when Asgard was transported to Oklahoma, it was transported whole sale as far as I recall. Thor just teleported a lot of it there. Not created by refugees who fled there after Asgard was destroyed. A True Jar Jar Fan posted:If there's a group of Good Gods out there maybe at least one should have volunteered to help Thor. It'd probably help if any of them even knew he was acting outside of the God city, which was shown to be the home of those idle and indolent Gods who don't care in the first place. Thor never made any effort to contact others, probably because a lot of them are dead. The city was the one place he thought he'd find lots of Gods gathered together to get an army in one stroke, but none of them wanted to help. A lot of them were probably the ones running from Gorr in the first place. A True Jar Jar Fan posted:The crow people fight has its own gross subtext too, "without the gods/rich, undesirables will flood your neighborhoods." Of course they're shown to be inhuman, incapable of speech, and with no motive other than destruction. Sure; it's still in the film as an undesirable outcome of the death of the Gods or the uncaring attitude of Gorr to the outcome of his actions though. Gorr doesn't care about what'll happen after the Gods are dead; he just wants to kill the Gods. An outcome for which he (or the sword's parody of him) is willing to be the very thing he himself hated i.e. a parasite who doesn't care about the lives of children, and only sees his own gain. tsob fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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lmao a lament for the poor billionaires/gods, won't anyone think of them? Some of them are nice, ish! Also ignores how the end credits scene has them going 'if anything we were not cruel enough!' and promising to make humans 'fear' gods again. Really showing that Gor was wrong, here.
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Ah yes, because what I was definitely arguing was the movie's point was "won't anyone think of the poor billionaires" and not "maybe genocide isn't a solution?" and "people/Gods can change" (which will almost certainly be the point of Hercules if the film gets to follow up on his appearance) among other things. Also, ignore that Thor explicitly acts to stop a villain that proves himself a hypocrite multiple times over (first concocting a plan to use kids as bait with no real concern for them when the Gods lack of concern for his kid was Gorr's central motivation and second trying to lure in the one God who he knows disproves his entire goal in order to carry it out), that the places the villain did enact his plan were worse off for it with the villain never even bothering to see and that even the villain himself gives up on that goal in the end. Zeus was a big meanie boo boo in the epilogue, therefor the movie's entire message is actually not what it spent two hours saying, but really that the villain it had just spent two hours disproving was actually right about everything.
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Taear posted:Yea if you don't agree with killing the rich I dunno why you're on the forums nowadays. How rich are you compared to some who live on this world? You presumably have adequate food, water, medical care and access to the internet, which is beyond quite a few. Does that mean you too should get killed for being "rich?"
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Won't somebody think of the billionaires?
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How much TSLA stock do you own, pal.
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I didn't even know about the post credits scene I didn't stick around Anyway it would have been fun in this action movie to show Gor The Gods Butcher actually fighting gods other than Thor.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:How much TSLA stock do you own, pal. Putting aside that I don't even know who or what that acronym refers to, I'm kind of hoping you respond to the New Asgard stuff at some point, since it seemed like something that you put at least a little thought into and to want to discuss.
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tsob posted:Killing all the rich people en-masse is still genocide Blah blah blah
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Is “rich people” a race?
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oldpainless posted:Is “rich people” a race? Wealth is inherited so I'm gonna say yes
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Just going to continuously ignore the gods directly talking about the number of human sacrifices in their honor etc Bill Gates does lots of philanthropy guys!!! He's one of the good ones! Whomst can say that we'd be better off without these all powerful immortal beings toying with our lives behind the scenes?
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oldpainless posted:Is “rich people” a race? No, but no-one claimed it was. Kaedric posted:Just going to continuously ignore the gods directly talking about the number of human sacrifices in their honor etc No actually. I'm just going to point out that the the movie doesn't treat that as the be all, end all of the argument and that there are multiple things the movie has actually done to show that just because some Gods are like that doesn't condemn them all, that Gorr was wrong and that Thor was right. Are you going to ignore those? tsob fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Everyone posted:How rich are you compared to some who live on this world? You presumably have adequate food, water, medical care and access to the internet, which is beyond quite a few. Does that mean you too should get killed for being "rich?" it's true, if you have enough food, water, medical care, and internet you're literally the same as a billionaire this is a smart thing to think truly I should use my incredible resources of endless student loan debt to help end the inequality kill all gods and masters
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The REAL Goobusters posted:They should kill Thor off honestly Honestly after losing his mother, father, his best friend, brother, home, a huge chunk of his people, his hammer, his eye, Stark/Cap/his team and now the love of his life, it's surprising he doesn't do it himself.
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Away all Goats posted:Honestly after losing his mother, father, his best friend, brother, home, a huge chunk of his people, his hammer, his eye, Stark/Cap/his team and now the love of his life, it's surprising he doesn't do it himself. I did appreciate in the recap of Ragnarok, they referred to Thor's supposed greatest allies and friends as 'this guy' and 'that guy.'
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For people who know about the comics. So the little girl at the end has some kind of laser eyes powers. Does she have some kind of comics analog? She’s played by Hemsworth’s daughter, so I would assume it’s just stunt casting and she won’t be back for more movies but I’m curious.
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