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Dolash posted:Horikoshi's good at coming up with new characters and situations that feel like they have a lot of potential, but less so on leveraging that potential within the actual story. It's a common issue some creators seem to have (see: my avatar) where they seem to enjoy introducing new ideas and characters into the story more than they do following all the way through with the characters and story beats they've already set up. You can successfully do the "constantly introducing new characters" thing, but it requires that you be willing to let the new characters be fully developed within their own arcs (with other characters being left out) and later let them leave focus as the plot moves on. The perfect example of this is HxH. Each new arc always introduces a ton of new characters (and often a radically new setting), but many of those characters only "live" within that arc. They might still play some role later, but they'll just have one arc where they can receive real focus. Tower of God also does this pretty well.
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If you wanna see a bad example if it, look at the last arc of bleach
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Fabricated posted:If you wanna see a bad example if it, look at IIRC Kubo did state that his writing process involves making a fuckton of new characters and working from there. It uhh...shows. Even the actual protagonists in Bleach (for a given definition of protagonist) feel like minor characters thanks to the absurdly bloated cast.
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Jul 13, 2022 14:33
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kubo’s characters are also always the same character outside their designs, which doesn’t help the tedium
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Jul 13, 2022 14:38
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TheKingslayer posted:Whatever happened to that really cool dude with the wind powers? If you'd asked me to guess I'd say he was gonna be a big deal later. Nope! poo poo, I wanna know what happened to meatball dude.
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Jul 13, 2022 14:47
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Caidin posted:poo poo, I wanna know what happened to meatball dude.
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Fabricated posted:He actually has more relevance to the story going on now than Inasa because his dad was one of the main guards of Tartarus. Did we find out what was in the tapes he gave to Stain?
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Did that final season of the Bleach anime ever come out? I can't imagine who that was for, it introduces brand new villains then spins its wheels for a hundred chapters before unceremoniously jumping to the final battle and ending in like five chapters.
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Jul 13, 2022 18:42
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It starts in October.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Did that final season of the Bleach anime ever come out? I can't imagine who that was for, it introduces brand new villains then spins its wheels for a hundred chapters before unceremoniously jumping to the final battle and ending in like five chapters. Arist posted:It starts in October. In addition 
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TheKingslayer posted:Whatever happened to that really cool dude with the wind powers? If you'd asked me to guess I'd say he was gonna be a big deal later. Nope! Wow, I literally forgot that the characters from the other school even existed.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Did we find out what was in the tapes he gave to Stain? that shigaraki's completion was sped up or w/e
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Yeah it was that they didn't have as much time as they thought they did so if they waited too long, they were going to get taken for a ride
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Hey, look: a chapter! https://onepiecechapters.com/chapters/3817/my-hero-academia-chapter-359
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Scholtz posted:Hey, look: a chapter! That cover page seems to confirm AfO has managed to reverse himself back to his prime. If Deku beats him he'll have officially surpassed All Might. Pretty brutal damage on Bakugo. He might end up losing the same arm as Endeavor.
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Jul 15, 2022 11:09
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I really hope the Big Three are allowed to actually do something cool. I'm not terribly hopeful since Bakugo's big cool moment was immediately and totally no-sold with a "lol, nah, you're krillin in a goku/freeza fight", but hey, who knows.
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Finding Gentle and LaBrava in that giant character spread was like Where's Waldo
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I just... everything looks so cool but I'm really let down by the direction the plot's been going for... five years?
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I honestly don't believe that with as much as Horikoshi seems to like Bakugo, he's just going to crush his arm and leave him out of the rest of the fight. Which means now I'm worried Bakugo's going to make some kind of suicide play at some point.
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Jul 15, 2022 12:37
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Bakugo's going to pull a Deku and break his other arm to win. 
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it would be sincerely fuckin sick if bakugo managed to win somehow lol i am actualyl really pulling for him here
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Jul 15, 2022 13:47
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Is every member of the extended cast going to get a chapter to rush at a boss, get rebuffed and maimed, and then stand down so the next guy in line can get a cool cliffhanger panel?
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this is the same “two lines no waiting” feeling j got from the end of the War arc
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Little surprised we're maiming one of the most popular characters. Bit more than I expected considering Bakugou's previous sacrificial moment involved generic anime impalement. We went from that to him getting his arm nearly wrenched off in brutal fashion and getting part of his face ripped off. There's more face ripping going on than I expected this battle. This is all standard shonen stuff tbh. It's the big bad, we don't totally know how strong he is now- so we have to establish that and also show why Goku has to be there for the fight. Supporting characters using their best move on a big bad and then getting owned is pretty normal. I mean- this is a story in jump. "everyone holds off Shigaraki without a terrible amount of trouble or casualties until Deku shows up" isn't very exciting. The battle starting to turn bad on a couple fronts sounds about right. So how bad will the expected moment when things are looking their worst be? Does Horikoshi have the balls to actually kill anyone or deliver career ending injuries to characters you wouldn't expect?
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It's kind of weird that they would spoil All For One in his prime on the cover page and he doesn't even show up in the chapter.
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Lol dude couldn't even pretend Bakugo was relevant to this fight. All for One sucks so much and I hate that it's confirmed we're getting even more All for One later
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Madara did this gimmick better
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TheKingofSprings posted:Madara did this gimmick better Who's gonna be the Might Guy equivalent here? Mirko?
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TheHan posted:Lol dude couldn't even pretend Bakugo was relevant to this fight. All for One sucks so much and I hate that it's confirmed we're getting even more All for One later Yeah All For One took suck a massive turn from scheming rear end in a top hat that was passing the torch out of pure spite into the most boring omnipotent end boss with constant gotchas prolonging his existence it's very disappointing.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Who's gonna be the Might Guy equivalent here? Mirko? she already kinda did a might guy when she kicked her leg off against AFO the first time. Horikoshi is just even more averse to permanently injuring characters (and Mirko is very clearly one of his favorites too) than Kishimoto was, so even if she replicated it here idk that it would feel interesting or meaningful unless she straight up dies, which would be its own lame decision in other ways imo. e: the other thing is that opening the seven gates paid off a setup from very early in the story when the gates were introduced, AND served as a capstone to the story's recurring interest in whether or not rock lee and might guy could stand on the level of their peers despite their shortcomings, and unfortunately there's no equivalent to that in MHA. Which is striking, because as I'm writing it out it's very obvious that the parallel should be deku going 100%, this originally being in some ways a "what if rock lee was the protagonist" manga, but we've fully exhausted that particular well. Valentin fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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Can't wait for Shiggy to no-sell PHANTOM MENACE
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Valentin posted:she already kinda did a might guy when she kicked her leg off against AFO the first time. Horikoshi is just even more averse to permanently injuring characters (and Mirko is very clearly one of his favorites too) than Kishimoto was, so even if she replicated it here idk that it would feel interesting or meaningful unless she straight up dies, which would be its own lame decision in other ways imo. i always thought that the overhaul arc's ending was a bad idea for that reason. it doesn't matter if it was a conditional 100%, they lit that candle way too soon
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Valentin posted:she already kinda did a might guy when she kicked her leg off against AFO the first time. Horikoshi is just even more averse to permanently injuring characters (and Mirko is very clearly one of his favorites too) than Kishimoto was, so even if she replicated it here idk that it would feel interesting or meaningful unless she straight up dies, which would be its own lame decision in other ways imo. Didn’t Guy have no shortcomings Like he was just a normal ninja with a godly spec
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TheKingofSprings posted:Didn’t Guy have no shortcomings I think he's like Lee and couldn't do poo poo but Taijutsu and summoning seals? At least he's never shown doing anything else. Though his dad passed down the gates to him
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iirc he's just not great at anything other than taijutsu, as opposed to lee who has no aptitude for non-punching skills at all
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Being able to do Summoning means he doesn’t have Lee’s problem, because summoning is external chakra manipulation. Gai just is a Taijutsu specialist. He’s also the best ninja in the Leaf by success ratio. Zero failed missions on his entire record, and that’s a lot of missions at every level. He also can break Genjutsu which Lee would struggle with too.
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Oxxidation posted:iirc he's just not great at anything other than taijutsu, as opposed to lee who has no aptitude for non-punching skills at all Lee didn't even have an affinity for punches, It was just the only thing you can rip your guts out grind for, as far as Guy was concerned.
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Caidin posted:Lee didn't even have an affinity for punches, It was just the only thing you can rip your guts out grind for, as far as Guy was concerned. And in the end Lee wound up the most successful of his team, by virtue of not being either dead or Tenten
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Valentin posted:Horikoshi is just even more averse to permanently injuring characters (and Mirko is very clearly one of his favorites too) than Kishimoto was, I can think of like 3 permanent injuries in all of Naruto. Endeavor, Mirko, Hawks, Eraser all lost various limbs/parts. A lot of the 1A kids are carrying scars. All Might is a fraction of his regular self.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I can think of like 3 permanent injuries in all of Naruto. Endeavor, Mirko, Hawks, Eraser all lost various limbs/parts. A lot of the 1A kids are carrying scars. All Might is a fraction of his regular self. yeah i think i'm probably wrong by the numbers on this point and i'm really more complaining about a vibe (which is stupid don't get me wrong). horikoshi's work is much more regularly gruesome while also having much less weight to the injuries and deaths, for me; deku is the obvious reference point here but I do think it also matters that e.g. the series doesn't really care at all about Mirko's permanent injuries, because her missing limbs can be replaced with adequate protheses for fight scene purposes and she doesn't really exist as a character beyond her ability to be in fight scenes. if you compare directly my hero academia almost certainly has more lasting consequences on paper, I'm just judging it unfairly harshly because it repeatedly raises the specter of permanent harm without actually really doing anything with it beyond updating a character design. if mirko and hawks hadn't been hurt at any point (or mirio hadn't lost his powers, etc.) very little of the content of the manga would have changed. also i think invariably a lot of the complaints I'm making are also fundamentally rooted in scope/scale. if you compare key beats in MHA to other long-running shonen I think it has a tendency to fail to follow up on theoretically important threads (e.g. Mirio's entire thing), but that's also a product of being like 350 chapters shorter than Naruto et al at this point, to say nothing of one piece, despite (in my view) having aspirations to be like those series in terms of size of cast, scope and arc of the story, etc. like, to draw on a character death example, is midnight's death underwritten compared to say, asuma's, even though both are theoretically comparably important mentors for what are ultimately mostly side characters in our protagonist's class? and does that comparative lack of writing and development contribute to the vibe of "weightlessness" i'm complaining about? yes to both, imo, but also the vs. hidan & kakuzu arc is 31 chapters long, making it longer than literally any MHA arc but the war and the shie hassaikai stuff. there's just only so much the manga can do in that space. e: lmao if you combined: the sports festival arc (24 chapters); the forest camp training arc (14 chapters); the school festival arc (15 chapters) and the joint training arc (24 chapters), which I think forms a sort of greatest hits for Deku's development with his class through roughly the middle of the series, it comes out to 77 chapters. the chunin exams alone are 81 chapters long. given that there have been allusions to possible arcs at one point for shoji and mina (i think?), among others, I really wonder what Horikoshi's plans were for overall series length at various points. also the further we get from it the more the joint training arc feels like a major misjudgement and a colossal waste of time and energy. Valentin fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 15, 2022 |
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