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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Yup. My friend also briefly made the Jobs comparison. All about the inspiration I guess It's not even a good comparison because the stuff that Jobs hawked (the Macintosh, iPod, iPhone, etc.) actually worked and did things ordinary people needed (or thought they needed). A Macintosh has always been a functional computer that works and the iPhone is a functional mobile phone. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's not even a good comparison because the stuff that Jobs hawked (the Macintosh, iPod, iPhone, etc.) actually worked and did things ordinary people needed (or thought they needed). Jobs, if anything, was good at that Bill Burr line about "I want all my music to fit in my pocket. GET ON IT!" and cutting away excess. Maybe too much excess (only a few variations on a design instead of dozens to choose from), but it definitely resulted in stuff we can tangibly use. Musk does the opposite. He keeps throwing ideas out there and hopes one sticks and we forget the promises made about the 59 others that were laughably bad.
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PhazonLink posted:the best joke was his body being more pale and lumpy than the cliffs of the Aegean islands Lol God drat
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:A Macintosh has always been a functional computer that works and the iPhone is a functional mobile phone. depends how you hold it but sure
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Doug Sisk posted:I remember the lawsuit after he called the cave diver a pedo, and everyone was positive he could not win. He won. Musk won? What a bunch of bullshit. KitConstantine posted:https://twitter.com/JUNlPER/status/1549143234265419780?t=evqWGMNBOOcOSlrUZwps0w&s=09 The look of the genes he considers crucial to pass on to the next generation.
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Jobs had some really stupid ideas but nothing nearly as bad as Hyperloop
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:It's pretty on the money because all that stuff was a strictly worse version of other devices out there that people oriented their whole identity around pretending didn't exist The Zune Defender has logged on
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Jobs, if anything, was good at that Bill Burr line about "I want all my music to fit in my pocket. GET ON IT!" and cutting away excess. Maybe too much excess (only a few variations on a design instead of dozens to choose from), but it definitely resulted in stuff we can tangibly use. Jobs was an rear end in a top hat but when he wanted something to be smaller, he had some amazing power moves quote:When engineers working on the very first iPod completed the prototype, they presented their work to Steve Jobs for his approval. Jobs played with the device, scrutinized it, weighed it in his hands, and promptly rejected it. It was too big.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:It's pretty on the money because all that stuff was a strictly worse version of other devices out there that people oriented their whole identity around pretending didn't exist The Mac was the first commercially successful computer (lol @ the Apple Lisa) with a graphical user interface. That was a legitimate big deal in the early 80s. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:It's pretty on the money because all that stuff was a strictly worse version of other devices out there that people oriented their whole identity around pretending didn't exist That’s not true, though. The iPhone was like 2nd generation leap from the G1. Microsoft converted full server hardware into a ‘surface’ device that demo’d multi-touch gestures in a giant desk touch screen interface. The iPhone at launch was an 8th of the cost, way smoother in every way, had pinch to zoom google maps and it fit in your god damned pocket. Oh yeah and was a phone!
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lol at weird nerds trying to downplay the impact of the mac, ipod, and iphone because jobs bad and musk bad and thus so must be all they stamped their names on
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The thing about Jobs is he had confident taste, which he was able to express to both designers and engineers, which also happened to resonate with the mainstream. He was a product guy, who understood why people love some things and merely use other things, and demanded his people make the former. He was a bad manager, but he was utterly focused on making great things. He saw the Mac as being part of a long story of human art and ingenuity, from the wheel, to the pyramids, on down to today, and required that Apple's (and Next's, and Pixar's) products communicate on a cultural level, to the understandable consternation of the nerds he had to work with to get it done, and the bafflement and bemusement of some of the rest of the tech community. Elon has zero confidence, zero taste, he's just a terminally online memelord with a zillion dollars. He is a sci-fi nerd, inspired by pop culture, and Twitter feed, and cocaine. He is a bad manager, but he is utterly focused on making what he thinks is cool and futuristic things. He insists his corporations try to make him look cool, to the understandable consternation of the nerds he has to work with to get it done, and the battlement and bemusement of everyone.
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And doing all this while eating some pretentious fruit, like a pear.
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Bad Purchase posted:lol at weird nerds trying to downplay the impact of the mac, ipod, and iphone because jobs bad and musk bad and thus so must be all they stamped their names on I think it's pretty easy not to understand the significance of the original Macintosh to the history of computer if you've never had to use a command line interface like MS-DOS in your life 
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that said i think if someone gave me billions of dollars i think i'd be just like musk, doing weird poo poo that i think is cool and pissing everyone off. he's very relatable that way
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If you gave me a Musk-sized fortune I guarantee I could use it better than Ol' Musky.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I think it's pretty easy not to understand the significance of the original Macintosh to the history of computer if you've never had to use a command line interface like MS-DOS in your life Jobs stole it from Hewlett Packard.
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QuarkJets posted:Jobs had some really stupid ideas but nothing nearly as bad as Hyperloop You can treat cancer with remedies you found online was pretty bad.
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world of warcraft deserves no mention among mmos because it copied everquest
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porfiria posted:Jobs stole it from Hewlett Packard. As was the style at the time. Yeah Jobs as a person sucks, and like gates had no problem doing things that were either board-line illegal or just extremely dickish. He did genuinely know design well, and had a knack for knowing what people want. Personally not a fan of a lot of the stuff he had a big hand in seeing made, but I wasn't that target audience so  . Still appreciate he did from a design/usability/marketing seem to know his poo poo.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Yup. My friend also briefly made the Jobs comparison. All about the inspiration I guess. comparing the cost of a rocket to the cost of a scientific installation that'll be in orbit for decades doesn't really make any loving sense
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porfiria posted:Jobs stole it from Hewlett Packard. You mean Xerox, right? Xerox PARC is where the GUI was pioneered and developed into the Alto but their own attempt to sell it fell on its face.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:You mean Xerox, right? Xerox PARC is where the GUI was pioneered and developed into the Alto but their own attempt to sell it fell on its face. Yeah you're right.
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chaosbreather posted:Elon has zero confidence, zero taste, he's just a terminally online memelord with a zillion dollars. He is a sci-fi nerd, inspired by pop culture, and Twitter feed, and cocaine. He is a bad manager, but he is utterly focused on making what he thinks is cool and futuristic things. He insists his corporations try to make him look cool, to the understandable consternation of the nerds he has to work with to get it done, and the battlement and bemusement of everyone. I get the impression Elon wants to think he's super cool, and since his daduncle was so poo poo he's desperately searching for validation from everyone
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porfiria posted:Yeah you're right. There's a reason I said the Mac was the first commercially successful GUI computer, not the first ever. Jobs was an rear end in a top hat and he didn't invent the GUI but he's the reason everything has one now. What's Elon done that's remotely as significant? Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Strange Poon posted:neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddddddddddssssssss My dude you have no clue how much harder I could nerd if I wanted to.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:There's a reason I said the Mac was the first commercially successful GUI computer, not the first ever. I'm talking about this from a place of ignorance but I have heard that SpaceX (in comparison to the poo poo that comes out of Tesla and the Boring company), actually has been innovative in the aerospace sector. I genuinely would love to hear about how I'm wrong though.
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Main Paineframe posted:comparing the cost of a rocket to the cost of a scientific installation that'll be in orbit for decades doesn't really make any loving sense Yeah, he's really into the notion of $500 laptops being bought by the government for $10,000 and other such nebulous bloat that apparently private industry will do away with. (I guess JWST would be much cheaper if it were private? Good luck getting the idea even past the first elevator pitch.) Reusable SpaceX rockets being the big one to him. khwarezm posted:I'm talking about this from a place of ignorance but I have heard that SpaceX (in comparison to the poo poo that comes out of Tesla and the Boring company), actually has been innovative in the aerospace sector. From what I can tell, SpaceX is actually doing a decent job of being a reliable low-earth orbit delivery system for less cost. Hooray, a genuine space shuttle for satellites. So of course the next goal along that line is loving billboards for orbital advertising. Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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If I recall, in Ashley Vance's biography of Musk, from 2015, he predicts that the big car companies with their massive industrial bases and economies of scale will leapfrog Tesla in electric car innovations within the decade. Seems to be coming true. Teslas are kinda all flash and no bang?
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khwarezm posted:I'm talking about this from a place of ignorance but I have heard that SpaceX (in comparison to the poo poo that comes out of Tesla and the Boring company), actually has been innovative in the aerospace sector. spacex has done some incredible things and i think it's important while making fun of elon's many many flaws and billions of dollars not to minimise the stuff they've accomplished. they attacked the right problem (genuinely reusable rockets) in the craziest way possible (active rocket landings) and succeeded in not only scraping by but making their insane landings so routine as to be boring, which is a massive accomplishment for the craziest stunt ever performed. i genuinely think the technology they have pioneered and the shift in technology landscape will substantially change things for a lot of people, maybe even for the better. for this reason he is far from the worst billionaire which is still, obviously, the damning category anyone could belong to
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Tunicate posted:Jobs was an rear end in a top hat but when he wanted something to be smaller, he had some amazing power moves the easy way here is just to make it more water resistant, esp if its just a fish tank test. ilmucche posted:I get the impression Elon wants to think he's super cool, and since his daduncle was so poo poo he's desperately searching for validation from everyone his what now? i thought his dad was just effing his own stepdaughter, is Elon's dad also his own uncle? jesus gently caress why do white gently caress bois have to drag down the whole of human civ for their borken dicks and daddy issues.
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Tunicate posted:Jobs was an rear end in a top hat but when he wanted something to be smaller, he had some amazing power moves I've had bosses like Jobs and to a man they've always been MASSIVE shitheads. The whole "I don't want excuses, I want results" school of management can eat my poo poo and die. Yeah, sometimes people will bend over backwards and drive themselves to burnout and get results, but often times when your devs tell you that two weeks prior to product launch is about two years too late to come up with amazing genius ideas like "OK guys I want this thing to have an open API so people can remix it", they're right and your bullshit will just make a bad product and unhappy employees. And usually they're also the types of assholes who look up to Jobs and try to emulate him. So gently caress Jobs. Vincent Van Goatse posted:There's a reason I said the Mac was the first commercially successful GUI computer, not the first ever. There was a time when Apple genuinely made quality products. Sure, they were expensive as gently caress, but they were also ... well, maybe not better than the competition in every way, but they were good and could back up the insane price points with features. But these days Apple is like Beats. It sells by brand alone and you could get a far better product at a far lower price and IMO that is the real legacy of Jobs. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:And usually they're also the types of assholes who look up to Jobs and try to emulate him. So gently caress Jobs. Jobs' methods and the myriad stories of how he "got results" through his various assholery has absolutely poisoned middle and senior management culture. Instead of leaving things to the writers, designers, programmers and everybody else hired to support a specific business, these dickheads feel the need to insert themselves in every step of the process, overriding the very experts they employ with decisions on a whim and "I don't like it" as a rejection justification. I absolutely loathe it.
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PhazonLink posted:the easy way here is just to make it more water resistant, esp if its just a fish tank test. His dad had a daughter with that stepdaughter so elon's dad is also the father of elon's niece/nephew, so he's elon's dad and uncle
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Gene Krantz addressing Mission Control just before the first moon landing: "From the day of our birth we were meant for this time and place, and today we will land an American on the moon. Whatever happens here today, I will stand behind every decision you make. We came into this room as a team and we will leave as a team. And from now on no person will leave or enter this room until we've either landed, we've crashed, or we have aborted. Those are the only three outcomes from this time forward." If Jobs were there he would probably say, "You bozos better land on the moon or you're fired. I don't want to hear any excuses like some loving 1202 alarm."
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