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loquacius posted:I'm gonna throw out a book recommendation for The Gone-Away World by Nick Harkaway but I will not elaborate on why this came to mind because it'd be a spoiler It's good, and y'all read Gnomon too
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josh04 posted:i'd argue the opposite: rick and morty is a smart, funny show that's deliberately playing with the type of show that it is, no matter how much its idiot fans try to fix it down into some dull sci-fi wikithon with catchphrases and memes. it is an anti-catchphrase, no matter how many people receive it as a catchphrase. I can't really argue against you, because I'm not only arguing from a point of ignorance, and I'm going to be arguing from a continued ignorance because I'm probably never going to see those episodes. I have no sense of history for that show and unacknowledgable, in this context, I am the fascists 300 Viewer who see my own person history of "Did I do that," "Oh my god they killed kenny." "Yeep" D'oh" "Don't have a cow man.' "You got it, dude," "It's morphing time" and see that line as part of that history. I don't know how can you convince me it is a anti catchphrase, in this situation, like it almost like you have to describe a colour I can't see. In action, I just won't bring up that line as a catchphrase, and say "it's a thing fans of the show quote."
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Jul 19, 2022 18:27
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:I can't really argue against you, because I'm not only arguing from a point of ignorance, and I'm going to be arguing from a continued ignorance because I'm probably never going to see those episodes. I have no sense of history for that show and unacknowledgable, in this context, I am the fascists 300 Viewer who see my own person history of "Did I do that," "Oh my god they killed kenny." "Yeep" D'oh" "Don't have a cow man.' "You got it, dude," "It's morphing time" and see that line as part of that history. yeah, there is ultimately no difference to pick out. we can't go to intent, we can't go to shared experience of the work. i just read it one way and you read it another. i don't think it's a huge deal.
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Jul 19, 2022 18:31
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josh04 posted:yeah, there is ultimately no difference to pick out. we can't go to intent, we can't go to shared experience of the work. i just read it one way and you read it another. i don't think it's a huge deal. In this situation, it's not the end of the world, but it's implications to the total world view and stories about everything.... it can be quite horrifying.
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Jul 19, 2022 18:33
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when I was watching the Pickle Rick episode when it was released it gave me the creeps in a way a pop culture media hasn't in a long time, in that it was so clearly a manufactured meme from the first second on screen, so transparently a cynical sales pitch for merchandise and marketing, like I was sitting there watching it for the first time and I knew the blow molds was already made for its pop vinyl and its keychains, the silk screens for the shirts that say "I'M PICKLE RICK!" were already wet with ink
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Jul 19, 2022 18:36
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DoombatINC posted:when I was watching the Pickle Rick episode when it was released it gave me the creeps in a way a pop culture media hasn't in a long time, in that it was so clearly a manufactured meme from the first second on screen, so transparently a cynical sales pitch for merchandise and marketing, like I was sitting there watching it for the first time and I knew the blow molds was already made for its pop vinyl and its keychains, the silk screens for the shirts that say "I'M PICKLE RICK!" were already wet with ink hot take: the Pickle Rick episode is actually good because it's one of the only points in the entire show that Rick appears to learn something from another character, and also one of the only things in modern media where a dysfunctional family goes to family therapy and is glad they did
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Jul 19, 2022 18:40
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i thought the dead serious discussion with the therapist on how it makes beth feel that her father would turn himself into a pickle to avoid discussing the problems in their relationship was much funnier than anything going on in the pickle rick half of the story
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Jul 19, 2022 18:40
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the other super-memey episode which is actually bad is the Get Schwifty one; Get Schwifty was a terrible meme even in the episode itself
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Jul 19, 2022 18:40
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Rick is another thing like Walter White or Khaleesi or (I have been told) the entirety of the film 300 where people latch onto a thing which is supposed to be bad and embrace it as actually good, because the source material made them too cool and great and smart and always right etc etc etc for any other message to break through Rick is a bad person, and the show does in fact say so, but it doesn't seem to even believe this message itself, so it shouldn't come as any great surprise that terrible people flocked to its fanbase and think Rick is the best character. Meanwhile Jerry gets a bad rap for the crime of being a regular person in a sci-fi cartoon. My other hot-take is that I am pro-Jerry
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Jul 19, 2022 18:44
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Rick represents Dan Harmon's id, and Dan Harmon is too much of an rear end in a top hat to really believe he's in the wrong in most situations
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Jul 19, 2022 18:45
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the therapist stuff was fine and it's not like i'm bagging on the entire show, i was watching it of my own free will after all, but the cynical transparency of the pickle rick is still really gross, like during all of his scenes in the episode all i could picture was the sterile fluorescent lit conference room with people sitting around commenting on the clever alliteration of 'pickle rick' and how having him go through changes during the episode will mean more variations in toy designs
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Jul 19, 2022 18:46
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DoombatINC posted:the therapist stuff was fine and it's not like i'm bagging on the entire show, i was watching it of my own free will after all, but the cynical transparency of the pickle rick is still really gross, like during all of his scenes in the episode all i could picture was the sterile fluorescent lit conference room with people sitting around commenting on the clever alliteration of 'pickle rick' and how having him go through changes during the episode will mean more variations in toy designs I could see this, yeah I think the idea was for it to be kind of like the wubba lubba dub dub thing where it's a blatantly self-referentially cynical take on memey bullshit, like Towelie from South Park, but in both cases the end effect was the same as if it were intended as a straight-up cash-grab so the distinction is academic
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Jul 19, 2022 18:50
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IIRC the Towelie episode had a commercial halfway through where you could buy either "I love Towelie" or "I hate Towelie" T-shirts from the merch website which may or may not have actually existed as IRL shirts, I dunno
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loquacius posted:
jerry is my favorite bisexual character in fiction because the bisexuality is so incidental to his characterization im not sure the writers even noticed they made him bisexual
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Jul 19, 2022 18:53
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loquacius posted:I read Fight Club and I don't even remember the book's ending wrong.gif squid or nothing
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Jul 19, 2022 18:53
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Casey Finnigan posted:I read that short story by the fight club guy about the dude who sticks his rear end onto a suction thing in his pool. it was published in playboy for some reason I read a lot of Chuck Palahniuk out of high school and that's the only story I remember lol.
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Jul 19, 2022 18:54
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fondly remembering when palahniuk gave his official response to the china censorship story and it was literally just lol you know my books are some of the most heavily banned ones in the united states right
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Jul 19, 2022 18:56
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Rick and Morty sucked when they got too meta and self conscious. Every Smith family member except Jerry is just a cynical rear end in a top hat like Rick now and they do that modern comedy thing where they talk fast and point out the cliches before they even happen and that's never funny.
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Some Guy TT posted:i still think about that one quest in morrowind where you need to get the wizard kings to sign on to your being the messiah and the first one warns you that second one is just going to say uhhh i need to run it by a committee indefinitely so you have to kill him drat, Michael Kirkbride was a secret Schmittian????
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WampaLord posted:
gonna go against the grain here and say that the alien ending is the better one, or at least the one that makes more sense the whole point of the weird squid alien was to present a target that was unequivocally not associated with any world power so that humanity could unite against it, hopefully leading to a kind of forced world peace Changing it so that Dr Manhattan was framed for the attacks would unite the rest of the world against America. Yes, even after taking into consideration that several American cities were glassed, the rest of the world would definitely still blame America since they not only created Dr Manhattan, but they also used him in war. America would be responsible for the series of events that led him to go rouge Now, it would admittedly be pretty awesome to see the rest of the world unite against America, but that clearly wasnt what the film implied would happen.
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using Dr. Manhattan energy for the attack instead of a psychic squid monster was a very smart adaptation change
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CaptainBeefart posted:I read a lot of Chuck Palahniuk out of high school and that's the only story I remember lol. I have an mp3 of him reading that story in a barnes and noble in sept 2003; i have listened to it once, i have not listened to it twice, i have not interacted with the file for nearly two decades and i can still taste the memory 
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The Doctor Manhattan ending works better if you see it as less uniting the world against a common foe and more uniting them out of fear of God. Ozymandius kind of hints at this with his line about punishing mankind for flirting with nuclear war but it's not overt. There was a version of the script where he fakes Doc Manhattan's voice to deliver a warning to humanity after destroying cities but I'm glad this was cut, it's kind of corny.
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Jul 19, 2022 19:07
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The pickle rick episode was great because the therapist completely shreds rick to pieces and really emphasizes that Rick is the worst, while also working as a great Wick parody
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:gonna go against the grain here and say that the alien ending is the better one, or at least the one that makes more sense yeah the change was really stupid. it lowers the stakes and undermines the ending. I don’t even like Watchmen but that was a terrible decision
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i'm starting this movie Terminal Justice (1996) and we have a new standard established for "getting my attention in the first twenty seconds of your motion picture" https://i.imgur.com/NJwPv0S.mp4
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Mantis42 posted:The Doctor Manhattan ending works better if you see it as less uniting the world against a common foe and more uniting them out of fear of God. Ozymandius kind of hints at this with his line about punishing mankind for flirting with nuclear war but it's not overt. There was a version of the script where he fakes Doc Manhattan's voice to deliver a warning to humanity after destroying cities but I'm glad this was cut, it's kind of corny. that would work for maybe one month before everyone realized that Manhattan had hosed off somewhere and turned against America
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CaptainBeefart posted:I read a lot of Chuck Palahniuk out of high school and that's the only story I remember lol. at my first job at barnes & noble an older girl told me about that story and i decided to never read ol' chuck. she also showed me johnny the homicidal maniac
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The change from the squid to Dr Manhattan is a great event because it really shows off how different film is from all other mediums. A tv show, and a novel, even a stage play and opera, would keep squid. But film or film watchers, no dice. Film likes its stories super tight, and the squid was just to far out of left field. Also in the comics the squid was alluded to, but in film, stuff has to be cut, so making those little references takes away valuable seconds. Film wants to be taken realistic medium, like in the movie "Speed" the real bus is totaled after jumping off the freeway, but it's not destroyed enough. There is still this feeling that there is a 1 in 1'000'000 chance of that thing working. Then within the film world, it just happens to work that one time. This squid is just too unrealistic. (Film wants to be taken realistic after they established the bottom line rules like, "faster than light travel is possible." ) mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 19:32 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Some Guy TT posted:jerry is my favorite bisexual character in fiction because the bisexuality is so incidental to his characterization im not sure the writers even noticed they made him bisexual This was from the Mr Poopy Butthole episode, which was another favorite of mine because it's another instance of the show sneaking some really great characterization into a memey-bullshit episode like, I have to describe it as "the Mr Poopy Butthole episode", so it has no business being the best episode of the show, but it was so good
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the best part of the watchmen movie is watching it with friends and loudly commenting about doctor manhattan having a small peen whenever he's on screen, letting everyone to draw their own conclusions about your own peen
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yeah that really is a decent ep. some are pretty bad but i like mr poopybutthole
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im not familiar. What's so great about it
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projecthalaxy posted:im not familiar. What's so great about it It's a very high concept story where aliens invade the Smith home. They are telepathic and can implant memories into the Smiths, and more and more of them keep showing up. The Smiths need to stop them or they'll take over the planet once they get out of the house, but the memories they're implanting are designed to break the Smiths apart (Beth now remembers marrying another man, who Jerry is carrying on an affair with, for example). Most of the episode is about figuring out which memories are real and which are implanted fakes. It's probably the best Rick & Morty episode. That or the decoy families one, which is another high-concept episode.
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I see. Sounds pretty interesting. I was never much for Rick and Morty myself.
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gave them an opportunity to really cut loose with lots of weird character designs since the Aliens keep reproducing and introducing ever more stupid characters to the houseleading up to the punchline of the episode
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the episode's real name is Total Rickall; it's in season 2quote:According to writer Ryan Ridley, the episode is named after Total Recall (1990), a science fiction film that features false memory implantation, but was conceived by Mike McMahan with reference to the fifth season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In this season, the character Dawn Summers is introduced and treated by other characters as if she has always been present; a supernatural reason for this is eventually given. Another writer suggested this was a good format for a clip show spoof, where flashbacks would be essential to the plot.
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loquacius posted:Rick is another thing like Walter White or Khaleesi or (I have been told) the entirety of the film 300 where people latch onto a thing which is supposed to be bad and embrace it as actually good, because the source material made them too cool and great and smart and always right etc etc etc for any other message to break through I don't know about Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad, but Frank Miller made 300 during an especially angry and Libertarian phase in his life (and I believe he has subsequently blamed substance abuse for going off the rails with stuff like that Holy Terror Batman series he did). I'm certain anything pro-Spartan and pro-militarism (regardless of historical accuracy) in 300 was totally intentional.
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projecthalaxy posted:I see. Sounds pretty interesting. I was never much for Rick and Morty myself. the shows really hit and miss youre much better off watching individual episodes on rec than trying to watch the whole thing systematically
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The main Rick and Morty ep I remember being excitedly shown is they are channel surfing which is an excuse to have a bunch of like 20 second apparently improvised skits in a row. It was pretty funny but the guy showing it to me really needed me to agree it was the sort of sublime madcap comedy that only Dan Harmon and the Other Guy could bring us
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