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I don't think that Dorries is stupid exactly, she just has Tory brain, in the same way that people like Raab do. It's a thing where you get to such a level of leadership that nobody ever questions or challenges you anymore and you can just get away with saying any old poo poo, so that's what you do all day and you never actually have to engage your brain and think about anything, so you stop doing it. And then on the rare occasion some journo or somebody actually does ask you a question and you have to engage your brain, you've forgotten how... but of course it doesn't matter ultimately anyway because 99% of the press are nodding dogs and client journalists so the only people who pay attention enough to notice and care that you've said something mind-meltingly stupid through lack of brain activation are the ones who already thought you were a humongous piece of poo poo. Truss comes across as genuinely a bit dim and completely vapid, there's a difference. I wonder if this means she'll essentially just be a... what's the word for it? Like a paper leader or something? Essentially she'll just be a ventriloquist's dummy for all of the worse people in the party, who will hold the real power, while she takes the flack.
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Chinese Gordon posted:A new socialist party achieves nothing under our current hell system other than ensuring a far right Tory government forevermore. Hows life in 2010, hearing good things about this Clegg guy
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I can't even really get on board with the 'at least it'll be funny' aspect of PM Truss, because it's going to be a continuation of grim poo poo like this: https://twitter.com/Chican3ry/status/1549708740613529601 https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1549692153365991424
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Truss is going to be JRM’s puppet
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Jul 20, 2022 19:46
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Re Forde, a popular posting from the twitter dot com web zone follows... https://twitter.com/pickyouredge/status/1549377081649291266
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Jul 20, 2022 19:47
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All the effort was spent on monstering Corbyn, none on providing any sort of alternative. Johnson, Truss, Kieth. They're not sending their best.
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Gotta feel for Boris. He must have thought he'd at least leave with the title of worst pm ever safely under his belt for a long time to come. Only to hear he's going to lose it before summers out.
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WhatEvil posted:I don't think that Dorries is stupid exactly, she just has Tory brain, in the same way that people like Raab do. Maybe stupidity isn't the right word, but there's this terminal lack of curiosity about the world that leads to going to google and straight-facedly demanding they stop using the algorithm, instead of either trying to understand it or at least accept input from someone who does.
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Umbra Dubium posted:Maybe stupidity isn't the right word, but there's this terminal lack of curiosity about the world that leads to going to google and straight-facedly demanding they stop using the algorithm, instead of either trying to understand it or at least accept input from someone who does.
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I generally characterise it as the "do you know who I am" kind of thinking. I am a very important member of the government, google, and you will obviously do whatever I say and nobody can tell me I am wrong.
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thinking things through in detail is work, and work is for plebs
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If learning was important, I would have done it at Oxford/Cambridge, which I attended.
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bump_fn posted:hahahhahahdhdb https://twitter.com/katimcf/status/1549492282000285699?s=20&t=9Ba37NR9wMktYWvJQCRGLA
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WhatEvil posted:I don't think that Dorries is stupid exactly, she just has Tory brain, in the same way that people like Raab do. It's a thing where you get to such a level of leadership that nobody ever questions or challenges you anymore and you can just get away with saying any old poo poo, so that's what you do all day and you never actually have to engage your brain and think about anything, so you stop doing it. And then on the rare occasion some journo or somebody actually does ask you a question and you have to engage your brain, you've forgotten how... but of course it doesn't matter ultimately anyway because 99% of the press are nodding dogs and client journalists so the only people who pay attention enough to notice and care that you've said something mind-meltingly stupid through lack of brain activation are the ones who already thought you were a humongous piece of poo poo. Speaking as someone from the constituency next door who knows her long-suffering constituents... no, she really is stupid. Absolutely loving moronic. A dumpster fire of a black hole of intellect from which no salience has ever been spotted throughout the eternities of the cosmos. In every iteration of the multiverse not once has a Nadine Dorries ever been anything that you could maybe squint your eyes at and, at a distance, might think had sapience.
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Truss is what happens when you order a Philomena Cunk from Wish.
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah I'm not sure I've 100% put my finger on it but I feel like there's a massively inflated sense of self-worth, importance, competence, or something similar, and it does frequently cross the over the line into making them say and do stupid things, so in many instances it is functionally the same, but it's not quite the same as simply being stupid, because like, you could explain a fairly complex concept to them and if they were incentivised to understand it, like if it would lead to some large personal gain, they could, they've just learned they don't need to try 99% of the time. Like there probably is a large element of Ego to it. "I have been asked something that I do not know the answer to. Rather than admit this, I will try and bluster my way through. Or I will convince myself that I do know something about the subject and start talking and see what comes out." But after X years of not knowing anything and you haven't tried to learn about any of the things you are asked that you don't know about? That is just willful ignorance.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Gotta feel for Boris. He must have thought he'd at least leave with the title of worst pm ever safely under his belt for a long time to come. Only to hear he's going to lose it before summers out. He promised me he would be dead in a ditch!  Politicians & promises. 
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The only way we're getting out of this is a general strike and a refusal to pay bills across the nation isn't it? Man, the next few years are going to suck.
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah I'm not sure I've 100% put my finger on it but I feel like there's a massively inflated sense of self-worth, importance, competence, or something similar, and it does frequently cross the over the line into making them say and do stupid things, so in many instances it is functionally the same, but it's not quite the same as simply being stupid, because like, you could explain a fairly complex concept to them and if they were incentivised to understand it, like if it would lead to some large personal gain, they could, they've just learned they don't need to try 99% of the time. This is just Dunning-Kruger, isn't it? The source of the belief that you know more about a topic than you actually do isn't specific to that phenomenon so it's just Dunning-Kruger as produced by born-to-rule privilege
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fuctifino posted:Truss is what happens when you order a Philomena Cunk from Wish.
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The Question IRL posted:Like there probably is a large element of Ego to it. The other important work is knowing who to wine and dine, who to bribe, who to blackmail, and when to do it. TACD fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jul 20, 2022 |
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Mebh posted:The only way we're getting out of this is a general strike and a refusal to pay bills across the nation isn't it? Man, the next few years are going to suck. Good news, we should be used to years sucking after the last 12. Can't believe someone tried to argue Dorries isn't a slathering moron in this thread, pull the other one.
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Tarnop posted:This is just Dunning-Kruger, isn't it? The source of the belief that you know more about a topic than you actually do isn't specific to that phenomenon so it's just Dunning-Kruger as produced by born-to-rule privilege Dorries is a complete class traitor though, no born to rule for her.
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Best description I saw of Dorries was "recruited directly from a fight over a meat raffle outside a flat-roofed pub."
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I’m interested in seeing RRR after some of the incredibly glowing reviews I’ve seen, and obviously the fighting the British Empire angle is cool, but I’ve heard it’s got some Hindu nationalism stuff in it which is putting me off.
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Yeah it's a got a similar energy for BJPs as The Patriot was for proto-Trumpists. Or the dozens of made for TV pro-Putin "we beat the Nazis once, so everyone we fight is Nazis, and if you disagree you are Nazis" movies.
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Chinese Gordon posted:I regret to inform you that Boris was the hat trick gently caress I forgot Cameron existed.
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Comrade Fakename posted:I’m interested in seeing RRR after some of the incredibly glowing reviews I’ve seen, and obviously the fighting the British Empire angle is cool, but I’ve heard it’s got some Hindu nationalism stuff in it which is putting me off. It does not. It is a pro-deccan film. The film ends with a montage of Deccan revolutionaries and one of the male leads is very explicitly not even Hindu. This came up in the pop culture cspam thread and the take of multiple Indian posters was "it is very stupid to think any reference to Hinduism in pre-independence India is Hindu nationalism" Guavanaut posted:Yeah it's a got a similar energy for BJPs as The Patriot was for proto-Trumpists. Or the dozens of made for TV pro-Putin "we beat the Nazis once, so everyone we fight is Nazis, and if you disagree you are Nazis" movies. BJP politicians tried to get it banned for having the koyapunem maoist character shown in muslim garb Spangly A fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jul 21, 2022 |
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This was posted in a comment under the JVL post re the Forde report on Facebook: Context: Labour local election candidates training (nb poster comments that they aren't sure whether it was produced by Labour or by the deliverer of the training). quote:This was the slide on a local election candidates training programme. This was advice given as to how to avoid being kicked out of the Party especially for social media content. (JVL post dated 19/7/2022 posted at 16:13 UK time - didn't share link as wasn't sure if it brings my ID with it).
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah it's a got a similar energy for BJPs as The Patriot was for proto-Trumpists. Or the dozens of made for TV pro-Putin "we beat the Nazis once, so everyone we fight is Nazis, and if you disagree you are Nazis" movies. The Patriot was hilarious because Mel Gibson's hatred of the English rivals his hatred of Jewish people and hatred of the current Pope. Also the only part I remember is someone got their head blown off with a cannon ball and that ruled. I think I am reflexively keen on The Patriot purely because I saw it after bunking off school when we had social dancing, which was the bane of my teenage life. When you have social anxiety and you're meant to ask a girl to dance it seemed easier to just deal with being told off for vanishing from school for a double period. And needless to say, never in my life since leaving school have I ever needed to know a waltz or the Gay Gordons. Now if they'd included a good old-fashioned mosh pit... I'm curious of that dancing shite, was there anything like that in English PE classes?
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forkboy84 posted:I'm curious of that dancing shite, was there anything like that in English PE classes? We actually used to have country dancing as its own thing at my school, but either they stopped doing it or I stopped being invited when I was quite small, either year 7 or possibly we only did it in primary school maybe? It wasn't a proper lesson as far as I recall, we just occasionally got bundled into the hall and got an hour or two of basically folk dance instruction. As an adult I kind of wish we had kept doing it, I recall it being kind of fun in hindsight.
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forkboy84 posted:The Patriot was hilarious because Mel Gibson's hatred of the English rivals his hatred of Jewish people and hatred of the current Pope. Also the only part I remember is someone got their head blown off with a cannon ball and that ruled. We had 'country dancing' at primary school which was as dull as poo poo. Nowt at secondary school.
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Not just the current Pope, he hates all of them since the 60s when Vatican II said that Jews don't have horns and aren't collectively still responsible for the death of Jesus and you should stop saying it and he took it as a personal affront to his lifestyle of drink driving while saying exactly those things.
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tbh I think ceilidh is probably more fun than country dancing, lot of rather tepid walking around in weird patterns in country, possibly trying to summon something.
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EdBlackadder posted:We had 'country dancing' at primary school which was as dull as poo poo. Nowt at secondary school. Yeah, ours was mostly Scottish Country dance, the poo poo you get at ceidlh, and we did it from 1st to 4th year of high school, for about 6 weeks before Christmas (maybe it was less but it felt like it went on forever). But definitely remember waltz, which was the really really uncomfortable one. Mostly I remember just being mad that it got in the way of doing things in PE I actually enjoyed like football, rugby, hockey, badminton, swimming. No social anxiety there. And ceidlihs would be better with more blastbeats and tremolo picking. What I'm saying is ceidlihs should just be black metal shows. I remember the teachers insisting we'd be glad for this because we'd use it at our wedding and joke's on them, I never got married 
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Guavanaut posted:Not just the current Pope, he hates all of them since the 60s when Vatican II said that Jews don't have horns and aren't collectively still responsible for the death of Jesus and you should stop saying it and he took it as a personal affront to his lifestyle of drink driving while saying exactly those things. Very angry at the people who killed Jesus so he died for our sins.
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