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Seth Pecksniff posted:No because the Seventh Amendment explicitly states the right to a jury trial for any civil case where the value is over $20, and Jones asked for a jury trial Gotcha. Thanks.
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Since this is a civil court matter, a decision can't end up being appealed to the Texas Supreme Court, can it? Because I don't see them letting Alex be on the hook for hundreds of millions.
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Jul 27, 2022 15:50
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neato burrito posted:Gotcha. Thanks. yeah honestly daria's playing dumb routine means the lawyer gets to go down a bullet point list and state everything like he's talking to a 3 year old so the jury's going to get days worth of him explaining in simple terms all the dumb poo poo jones pulled lmao
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Jul 27, 2022 15:51
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Zil posted:Since this is a civil court matter, a decision can't end up being appealed to the Texas Supreme Court, can it? Because I don't see them letting Alex be on the hook for hundreds of millions. It can be appealed up to the Texas Supreme Court iirc, and I'm sure it will be as soon as the decision is handed down disclaimer: not an expert on Texas law but civil cases generally can be appealed within a state
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Usually what happens is that there is a huge monetary reward and then they appeal the monetary award amount and it gets reduced. If my understanding is correct.
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Jul 27, 2022 15:54
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Zil posted:Since this is a civil court matter, a decision can't end up being appealed to the Texas Supreme Court, can it? Because I don't see them letting Alex be on the hook for hundreds of millions. There absolutely will be an appeal of every technical thing that the defense can think of. This is why he moves for mistrial after every witness and presentation as soon as the jury is out of the room. This appeal will almost certainly be denied, and the TSC will not take up the case.
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Hollismason posted:Usually what happens is that there is a huge monetary reward and then they appeal the monetary award amount and it gets reduced. If my understanding is correct. If the award is impermissible, it will be overturned. I don't think the court will allow an impermissible award here.
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Jul 27, 2022 15:55
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Mr. Nice! posted:There absolutely will be an appeal of every technical thing that the defense can think of. This is why he moves for mistrial after every witness and presentation as soon as the jury is out of the room. This appeal will almost certainly be denied, and the TSC will not take up the case. Jones will show up to the TSC justices' doors with a Costco-sized can of Hormel chili and a vague threat telling them to "forget the payments or I'll make you forget everything."
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Jul 27, 2022 15:56
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Mr. Nice! posted:There absolutely will be an appeal of every technical thing that the defense can think of. This is why he moves for mistrial after every witness and presentation as soon as the jury is out of the room. This appeal will almost certainly be denied, and the TSC will not take up the case. ngl i wanna see jones's team up against state attorneys because those dudes are ruthless
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Jul 27, 2022 15:57
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Is there a good stream of the trial? I was watching one, but it turns out the guy streaming it is a Jones supporter and keeps saying things like "There are actually pictures of the kids, thats not a lie!"
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Jul 27, 2022 15:59
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Robo Reagan posted:i cant tell if shes trying to throw alex under the bus or is just horribly incompetent She is horribly incompetent. This is not the first time she has been thoroughly embarrassed on the stand.
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Devor posted:Stream for today is up, nothing going on yet this one is just the raw feed from the court
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Jul 27, 2022 16:00
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SalTheBard posted:Is there a good stream of the trial? I was watching one, but it turns out the guy streaming it is a Jones supporter and keeps saying things like "There are actually pictures of the kids, thats not a lie!" teen witch posted:Heads up everyone, here’s todays feed:
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Robo Reagan posted:ngl i wanna see jones's team up against state attorneys because those dudes are ruthless On appeal, the plaintiffs will likely still have the same counsel as they've handled all their appeals so far. State attorneys won't become involved in this case. The courts are going to get very involved with the fraudulent transfer case and collecting on this judgment, though.
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Jul 27, 2022 16:03
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neato burrito posted:How is any of this questioning relevant to how much AJ has to pay out? Can the judge just say "I've heard enough, gently caress you" and state an amount? Jones’ defense is basically ‘I’m just a journalist chasing the truth, I don’t have time to check everything, first amendment.’ The plaintiffs attorney is establishing that Jones ignored clear evidence that he was pushing lies, that infowars has a culture of cherry-picking facts to support a conclusion, using random emails to a tip email as ‘confirmed sources’, etc. He’s showing that it’s more than just a journalist making a one-time oopsie, it was a prolonged and malicious campaign.
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red19fire posted:Jones’ defense is basically ‘I’m just a journalist chasing the truth, I don’t have time to check everything, first amendment.’ The plaintiffs attorney is establishing that Jones ignored clear evidence that he was pushing lies, that infowars has a culture of cherry-picking facts to support a conclusion, using random emails to a tip email as ‘confirmed sources’, etc. He’s showing that it’s more than just a journalist making a one-time oopsie, it was a prolonged and malicious campaign. He should've used the Fox News defense: "No person with an IQ above 50 would actually believe any of this"
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haljordan posted:He should've used the Fox News defense: "No person with an IQ above 50 would actually believe any of this" Especially when he sells them brain chemicals in the ad breaks.
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Mr. Nice! posted:On appeal, the plaintiffs will likely still have the same counsel as they've handled all their appeals so far. State attorneys won't become involved in this case. What's the fraudulent transfer case?
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to be real nitpicky, a civil case is actually the ONLY thing that can be appealed to the texas supreme court! (texas has two highest courts, and criminal cases go to the texas court of criminal appeals, because they are weirdos)
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Jul 27, 2022 16:13
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Zil posted:The defense is just doing everything in their power to piss off this judge. I wonder of this is part of their mistrial/appeal plan "This judge hates us, obviously they are biased " I think Billy Bob Thornton did it on his lawyer show on Amazon
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Hollismason posted:What's the fraudulent transfer case? There is a separate lawsuit that was filed a couple months before the bullshit bankruptcy when plaintiffs' got information that Alex was trying to hide assets. He's funneled everything out of all of his companies and personal accounts into trusts and LLCs in his parents and kids names in an attempt to hide from collection in this and the Connecticut case. The goal of that case is to unwind all of these transfers. This case is just on establishing damages. The plaintiffs are making sure that the jury knows that Alex Jones and Infowars knew that what they were peddling was completely false, and that they deliberately lied to profit. Liability and malicious intent have already been established, but they really want to show the bad behavior to the jury so they're more likely to award the $150m in compensatory damages and $texas in punitive damages to punish Jones.
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Mr. Nice! posted:There is a separate lawsuit that was filed a couple months before the bullshit bankruptcy when plaintiffs' got information that Alex was trying to hide assets. He's funneled everything out of all of his companies and personal accounts into trusts and LLCs in his parents and kids names in an attempt to hide from collection in this and the Connecticut case. The goal of that case is to unwind all of these transfers. Yeah I thought that all went through and Jones had successfully hidden his assets/ move everything but the bankruptcy court was like "No".
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I wonder of this is part of their mistrial/appeal plan They aren't going to win on that argument if they can even allege it on appeal. Trial judges have wide discretion to make decisions so long as they follow whatever procedure they're required to do. This judge follows the procedures to the letter when it comes to her required findings of fact etc. and has had multiple massive sanction awards upheld. Jones isn't winning an appeal.
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Hollismason posted:Yeah I thought that all went through and Jones had successfully hidden his assets/ move everything but the bankruptcy court was like "No". The bankruptcy had nothing to do with the transfer of assets other than they had emptied out three shell companies. It was something discussed in filings as to why the bankruptcy was bullshit, but it was never ruled on by the court. Now, when Jones files bankruptcy following this judgment, that bankruptcy judge will be very interested in these transfers.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Holy poo poo the judge is MAD This is horrifying I am watching a slaughter E: oh no this email, oh god 
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Get her rear end. Hell yes. God drat, Daria is a moron. I think I just saw Jordan dash out after that exchange 
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Holy poo poo the judge is MAD Yeah she has been pissed at defense throughout because they're bad faith litigants. Judges will give people a lot of rope if they're acting in good faith. Let judges know you're loving around, and they will just poo poo all over you.
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red19fire posted:Get her rear end. Hell yes. God drat, Daria is a moron. Daria is deliberately a moron. Her deposition is part of why Jones got a $1m sanction against him. This is part of the judge's factual findings in support of these sanctions (which was upheld by the 3rd COA).  e: part of the death penalty sanction was five different corporate rep depositions where the corporate rep knew nothing. Daria's depo was after the full default.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Holy poo poo the judge is MAD 
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goddamn this trial is one lol after another then real life creeps in and the prosecution reads a letter from a ranting psychopath insulting the parent of a dead kid
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SalTheBard posted:This email is loving vile The first time I heard it, during the deposition, I was building a barcart and just stopped frozen during the entire thing. I’ve seen things on rotten.com that are less depraved.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Daria is deliberately a moron. Her deposition is part of why Jones got a $1m sanction against him. I didn’t know that part. Incredible. It’s like Alex hired her thinking she would make a great stool pigeon. Is she personally going to face any punishment? Like contempt of court for the deposition shenanigans and this nonsense. ‘Did Jim Helbig appear on infowars in 2015?’ ‘It’s impossible for me to know for sure, there’s too many videos.’
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