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 I think by the end of the next week I'm gonna be posting this again. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Jul 30, 2022 00:03
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Judge set hearing on motion to lift stay at 8:30 Monday morning. I'm gonna tune in and see what he has to say about things generally, but he should lift the stay and let the trial resume Monday at 9. If he doesn't, well, things are going to get really interesting.
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Jul 30, 2022 00:04
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Froghammer posted:A reminder that, much like filing a lawsuit, filing for bankruptcy is a tweet with a fee that is an excellent line and I will be stealing it
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Jul 30, 2022 00:19
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Law and Crime recording of today is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpT2hHgbg8s e: Go to 2:35:45 for the "Well you hate Alex Jones don't you?" bit.
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Jul 30, 2022 00:21
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Wait them filing bankruptcy can stop this trial?
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Jul 30, 2022 00:30
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Hollismason posted:Wait them filing bankruptcy can stop this trial? Technically it already has. The filing of bankruptcy comes with an automatic stay on any pending litigation in state or federal courts. All Jones has to do is file a "Notice of Removal" to the court and they are literally stripped of authority to do anything. Jones, in an attempt to keep his bankruptcy from being tossed immediately as bad faith, filed an emergency motion so that this stay is lifted and this trial will not be interrupted. He did not do the same in CT because he wants to interrupt that trial. In TX his damages are capped at $150,750,000 since the jury is just going to give plaintiffs what they asked and punitive damages will be capped as a matter of law to $750k.
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Jul 30, 2022 00:33
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How is Jones hiding his assets anyway I don't understand that part? Like is he just transferring money to himself and saying the company is broke?
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Jul 30, 2022 00:36
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Hollismason posted:How is Jones hiding his assets anyway I don't understand that part? Like is he just transferring money to himself and saying the company is broke? Yes. Here's the complaint from the TUFTA case that lays out what they knew of his finances earlier this year: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/alex-jones-tufta.pdf Also, note that Alex Jones has not once filed bankruptcy - he has just used otherwise empty shell LLCs instead.
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Jul 30, 2022 00:37
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Mr. Nice! posted:Yes. Here's the complaint from the TUFTA case that lays out what they knew of his finances earlier this year: Okay so what is happening with this specific case? Did they win and prove that it was fraudelent transfers?
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Jul 30, 2022 00:42
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GreyjoyBastard posted:that is an excellent line and I will be stealing it
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Jul 30, 2022 00:47
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Looking back at the recording and lol defense lawyer is so smug when he thinks he's got a real gotcha with "oh so the Republican Party has been a white power party since the 60's? I guess you think Dwight Eisenhower was a white power nationalist?"
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Jul 30, 2022 00:58
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BigglesSWE posted:Looking back at the recording and lol defense lawyer is so smug when he thinks he's got a real gotcha with "oh so the Republican Party has been a white power party since the 60's? I guess you think Dwight Eisenhower was a white power nationalist?" 1:58:10 is a definite lol "Before this case you were familiar with Mr. Jones and Infowars?" "Yes, it's impossible to research disinformation on the internet and not encounter Mr Jones's work." "You honor I object." "Overruled."
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Jul 30, 2022 01:06
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Hollismason posted:Okay so what is happening with this specific case? Did they win and prove that it was fraudelent transfers? So far in this case it seems like Jones has filed his answer and that's it. I can't view the case docs specifically and am not familiar enough with TUFTA to give much details on it at the moment. I believe they'll enter into discovery now, but I'm sure there are TUFTA specific discovery restrictions and such.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:14
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Mr. Nice! posted:So far in this case it seems like Jones has filed his answer and that's it. I can't view the case docs specifically and am not familiar enough with TUFTA to give much details on it at the moment. I believe they'll enter into discovery now, but I'm sure there are TUFTA specific discovery restrictions and such. Yeah well that'll be the rub won't it? If that Tufta case goes to the plaintiff then Alex Jones is turbofucked. Also why are they not suing Alex Jones personally? Like why isn't his financial rear end on the line here and its just his corporations?
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Jul 30, 2022 01:18
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Hollismason posted:Yeah well that'll be the rub won't it? If that Tufta case goes to the plaintiff then Alex Jones is turbofucked. Alex is being sued personally in all of the cases. In the Texas case the Court has expressly ruled that the LLCs are just alter egos. The CT has not yet made that ruling and would have done so next Tuesday, but they're about to be blocked by the bankruptcy stay. e: also, plaintiffs should win the TUFTA case and Jones should lose - it's just going to be more work to get it done.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:21
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Watching bits of the hearings from youtube clips with comments is real depressing, pretty much everyone there are team InfoWars and is chomping at the bit to rip apart anyone daring to question Alex.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:30
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BigglesSWE posted:Watching bits of the hearings from youtube clips with comments is real depressing, pretty much everyone there are team InfoWars and is chomping at the bit to rip apart anyone daring to question Alex. They're going to be mighty upset next week. 
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Jul 30, 2022 01:34
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Nelson Mandingo posted:They're going to be mighty upset next week. God I really, truly, deeply, hope so.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:36
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BigglesSWE posted:Watching bits of the hearings from youtube clips with comments is real depressing, pretty much everyone there are team InfoWars and is chomping at the bit to rip apart anyone daring to question Alex. Sure, but at least there's a lot of push back and dunking on the loons too.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:40
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Rinkles posted:Sure, but at least there's a lot of push back and dunking on the loons too.  
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Jul 30, 2022 01:43
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These people are beyond hope
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Jul 30, 2022 01:50
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Mr. Nice! posted:Free Speech Systems filed bankruptcy in the SD Texas today. That creates an automatic stay by statute of any pending litigation including the current jury trial and the jury trial about to begin in CT. FSS, in good faith, filed an emergency motion to lift the stay with regard to the TX case (the trial we're watching now) but not the CT case. Can you get banned from filing bankruptcy sort of like a vexatious litigant?
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Jul 30, 2022 01:53
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Azuth0667 posted:Can you get banned from filing bankruptcy sort of like a vexatious litigant? Yes! The judge can dismiss the current bankruptcy as a bad faith filing (it is) and ban Jones from filing again.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:Yes. Here's the complaint from the TUFTA case that lays out what they knew of his finances earlier this year: As I understand it these trials have done wonders for people’s understanding of how Jones’s companies are structured; until now nobody quite had a map of the weird web of shell and holding companies he’d set up to obfuscate things, but him trying to claim that he and his public-facing companies are worth almost nothing has invited people to poke around and find out which alphabet-soup holding companies created by him and his family members actually own all the assets and “rent” them to Infowars.
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Jul 30, 2022 01:57
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spinst posted:this witness rules "Twitter is where, if the court will excuse my language, people go to shitpost" Things I never thought I'd hear in a court of law.
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Jul 30, 2022 02:18
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BigglesSWE posted:Watching bits of the hearings from youtube clips with comments is real depressing, pretty much everyone there are team InfoWars and is chomping at the bit to rip apart anyone daring to question Alex. Yeah, but keep in mind that this is self-selecting group of "people who believe that posting youtube comments is literally warfare and their lives depend on it".
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Jul 30, 2022 02:24
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Is there a recording of the hearing today? It looks like the Youtube channel isn't hosting them any more?
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Jul 30, 2022 02:27
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Rinkles posted:These people are beyond hope As someone who lives in the same county as Newtown it amazes me these dumb pieces of poo poo don't think that an incident like this didn't like, y'know, leave a tangible imprint on countless lives and communities. As if it's all in some secret remote mountain village and not located in a major chunk of the NYC metropolitan area. I hate them so so so so loving much.
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Jul 30, 2022 02:30
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Mr. Nice! posted:Technically it already has. The filing of bankruptcy comes with an automatic stay on any pending litigation in state or federal courts. All Jones has to do is file a "Notice of Removal" to the court and they are literally stripped of authority to do anything. Just a clarification question if you don't mind since you're smarter than me : There's the 150$ million that the plaintiffs have requested, then the concept of punitive damages floating around with its own 750,000$ max? (Still curious what Abbott's obviously lovely and, I assume, false reason for doing this is according to his own right wing fiction, but setting that aside.) So I understand that the jury has to be kept uninformed about this cap so they can't just shift the money around* and give the plaintiffs 11-ty billion$ instead of 150,000,000$... but what if they just decided to do it on their own? Like next week the jury foreman, completely independently, manages to get everyone on board with "gently caress Alex, Shitball McMullet made us watch so much of his show, he's gonna pay!" and they spend jury deliberations collaborating on just writing more 0s on the end of the amount due. There's obviously some maximum just cause there's a non infinite amount of money in the world, but I'm assuming there's another thing before that. *This actually raises a bunch of questions too if you happen to have any answers to that as well. Like, sure the court can't tell them, but what happens in 10 years when this might not be common knowledge but isn't obscure anymore. Or like, what if I pay to have it sky-written above the courthouse as the jury is leaving for the day next Monday? Would Texas even try to do something to me over here in New York?
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Jul 30, 2022 02:43
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Is there a recording of the hearing today? It looks like the Youtube channel isn't hosting them any more? The judge doesn't want them recorded officially, live stream only. You would have to find a less than legal recording to watch it now.
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Jul 30, 2022 02:53
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Zil posted:The judge doesn't want them recorded officially, live stream only. Anyone want to make a friendly wager about whether or not this is going to turn into evidence of a conspiracy theory and Alex is gonna be wearing a barrel and shouting about how the judge filled the courtroom with trendy, demon-feasting democrats having an orgy?
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Jul 30, 2022 02:55
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:Is there a recording of the hearing today? It looks like the Youtube channel isn't hosting them any more? Zil posted:The judge doesn't want them recorded officially, live stream only. Did you miss this? Scam Likely posted:Law and Crime recording of today is up:
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Jul 30, 2022 02:57
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Xiahou Dun posted:Anyone want to make a friendly wager about whether or not this is going to turn into evidence of a conspiracy theory and Alex is gonna be wearing a barrel and shouting about how the judge filled the courtroom with trendy, demon-feasting democrats having an orgy? Alex will absolutely claim he kept leaving the court due to a fear of his life, absolutely.
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Rinkles posted:Did you miss this? I did. As far as I was aware the judge didn't want it recorded at all. Maybe it was just official recordings she didn't want and doesn't care about private recordings? 
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Jul 30, 2022 03:02
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Zil posted:I did. As far as I was aware the judge didn't want it recorded at all. Maybe it was just official recordings she didn't want and doesn't care about private recordings? She said no recording without written permission of the court. Since that channel apparently has their own camera I assume they got permission.
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Jul 30, 2022 03:05
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Grand Fromage posted:She said no recording without written permission of the court. Since that channel apparently has their own camera I assume they got permission. Ah, did not know that little detail.
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Judges sure do love clownshow vexatious litigants and they absolutely love having their authority challenged. This should go over very well for Mr. Jones.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:
loving Lol. Jones deserves no better than this poo poo show.
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