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This is purely so that Turkey can invade Syria without consequence But we don’t really need troops there at this point anyway
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Saladman posted:Theoretically I guess you could find some imam who doesn’t care at all and will sign a paper with your name on it after you say the shahada three times fast, but more realistically you’ve got to do a course and etc so you can tell your zakat from your adhan. I looked into it wrt getting legally married, but then the law changed and I didn’t have to convert. So I guess I missed my chance to visit Mecca and Dome of the Rock. I have been able to get in a number of "for Muslims only" mosques if I’m there with my wife though (eg Great Mosque of Kairouan), so I guess I didn’t totally miss out. fwiw i did go inside the dome of the rock as a tourist without converting, just had to have a head covering i think. it was a long time ago
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FlamingLiberal posted:This is purely so that Turkey can invade Syria without consequence What about the Kurds though?
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Raenir Salazar posted:What about the Kurds though? Maybe the US can support them like Ukraine  Give them HIMARS too.
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Descar posted:Maybe the US can support them like Ukraine Maybe we can give the Kurds their own state in the Donbass region?
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Erdogan's ramping up his killing Kurds for votes policy in Iraq too. https://twitter.com/joanne_stocker/status/1549789858398339079
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/12/turkeys-far-right-has-already-won/quote:The anti-immigration firebrand Umit Ozdag might not win a seat in parliament, but he’s shifted the national debate on refugees by vowing to expel them.
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https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1550129794720751621 Two things that leapt out at me. 1. lol at the "YOUR ANCESTORS CONSPIRED WITH BRITAIN AND FRANCE TO STAB US IN THE BACK", which is "WHY DIDN'T YOU STAY OURS, LITTLE ARABS". 2. I didn't know David Crosby lived in Turkey.
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Grape posted:https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1550129794720751621 Yeah, hoo boy Turkish nationalists are really something else. As an aside, it's interesting that even though the UK and France have massive lost empires, modern UK and French nationalists aren't all-in on how they need to reconquer and resubjugate the people they subjugated and conquered previously. Maybe only because they don't have contiguous borders with their previous imperial holdings, but Turkish nationalists always come off as unusually rabid whenever I encounter them, even in discussions of far-flung Ottoman provinces like Tunisia.
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Saladman posted:Yeah, hoo boy Turkish nationalists are really something else. As an aside, it's interesting that even though the UK and France have massive lost empires, modern UK and French nationalists aren't all-in on how they need to reconquer and resubjugate the people they subjugated and conquered previously. Maybe only because they don't have contiguous borders with their previous imperial holdings, but Turkish nationalists always come off as unusually rabid whenever I encounter them, even in discussions of far-flung Ottoman provinces like Tunisia. There were a decent amount of pro-Brexit people in the UK who tried to argue that Ireland should also leave the EU when the UK did so it could then rejoin the glorious United Kingdom instead. That it was in little Ireland's best interest, and would solve the whole nasty Northern Ireland business nicely. Maybe not as militarily aggressive, but just as colonial mindset culturally ignorant and arrogant.
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Blut posted:There were a decent amount of pro-Brexit people in the UK who tried to argue that Ireland should also leave the EU when the UK did so it could then rejoin the glorious United Kingdom instead. That it was in little Ireland's best interest, and would solve the whole nasty Northern Ireland business nicely. I didn't really follow any of that, but that sounds like it fits pretty well with the "shared border" hypothesis... also a current major issue with the Lucky Algeria to not physically border France. E: I just randomly ended up on a Turkish People Posting Online Are Usually Crazy Ultranationalists thread on Reddit while looking for EEZ maps of the Mediterranean, good extremely ultranationalist Turkish people get around online: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/lifypp/exclusive_economic_zones_of_the_mediterranean_sea/ "it's so unfair that Greeks get the Aegean sea as an EEZ, it should be Turkish!!" (paraphrased, not direct quote, from a deleted user) Saladman fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Jul 22, 2022 |
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Posting without comment https://twitter.com/Spa_Eng/status/1551627809973485573?s=20&t=z9zlfsQWxykrZiXq3RzNFQ He's totally going to try and do this nonsense
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FlamingLiberal posted:Posting without comment Neom is the stupidest loving thing. It is the ULTIMATE grift machine for western consultants to make boatloads of money doing absolutely nothing useful. I'm almost jealous.
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I know reasoning about this thing when it's built is foolishness - because it's never getting built - but still, if any of SA's enemies in the region has a medium-range rocket battery and want some target practice, or have a carbomb, they can literally divide and conquer this thing.
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I'm legitimately curious just how much cocaine the crown prince is doing. Or is he an unhinged moron surrounded by yes men and a bunch of scheming consultants? Or is it just a PR thing that has spun out of control? I come back to the first thing, though it seems to include the other options, too, but it was and remains a project that ozymandias would have considered stupidly unrealistic. feel free to substitute other words for cocaine in that Absurd Alhazred posted:I know reasoning about this thing when it's built is foolishness - because it's never getting built - but still, if any of SA's enemies in the region has a medium-range rocket battery and want some target practice, or have a carbomb, they can literally divide and conquer this thing. after 40 years of disrepair on even a small section of it (which is still more than will ever be built) you'd have an incredible setting for some dystopic scifi crime game Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm legitimately curious just how much cocaine the crown prince is doing. Or is he an idiot surrounded by yes men and a bunch of scheming consultants? Or is it just a PR thing that has spun out of control? I come back to the first thing, though it seems to include the other options, too, but it was and remains a project that ozymandias would have considered stupidly unrealistic. It's probably all of them.
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this is a man who found a way to lose at committing a genocide with US backing. all indications are that not only could the man gently caress up reheating a pizza, he could find a way to hit a double digit body count while doing so.
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What I find fascinating about the concepts is that... not all of them are unsalvageably awful, but jamming it all together and trying to do it all at once under the direction of some of the least competent people on earth, can't possibly work out well. Also, and I really can't stress this enough: rich people who could buy into this sort of weird, expensive nonsense... want to drink, drug and gently caress without worrying about a murderous, fundamentalist autocrat changing his mind about exactly how much he's willing to tolerate and from whom. PT6A fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jul 26, 2022 |
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PT6A posted:What I find fascinating about the concepts is that... not all of them are unsalvageably awful, but jamming it all together and trying to do it all at once under the direction of some of the least competent people on earth, can't possibly work out well. Ibiza worked for Franco. He knew enough to keep his hands off it.
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So wasn't the first version of this like just neighborhood blocks at ground level, and transportation and logistic (and I'd imagine workers/servants/slave) underneath going down like three stories? I'm not imagining that right? As even that would of been bullshit stupid, but maybe, if you through enough money at it, could see it sort of possible for a couple of kilometers. Maybe. Like it would be burning money, but maybe something livable would come out of it. Like this is just weird insanity. Like there's not a single detail about it that isn't crazy bullshit that makes no senses.
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OctaMurk posted:Neom is the stupidest loving thing. It is the ULTIMATE grift machine for western consultants to make boatloads of money doing absolutely nothing useful. I'm almost jealous. MBS very quickly reached that part of running an autocracy where the autocrat just decides to start all sorts of batshit insane projects
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Iraq is getting interesting again. The protesters seem to be al-Sadr's supporters, and are protesting against Iran's preferred candidate for Iraqi prime minister. https://twitter.com/Bilesa_Shaweys/status/1552326481115750401 Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Iraq is getting interesting again. The protesters seem to be al-Sadr's supporters, and are protesting against Iran's preferred candidate for Iraqi prime minister. Misread as al-Saqr, was briefly very confused
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Saladman posted:E: I just randomly ended up on a Turkish People Posting Online Are Usually Crazy Ultranationalists thread on Reddit while looking for EEZ maps of the Mediterranean, good extremely ultranationalist Turkish people get around online: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/lifypp/exclusive_economic_zones_of_the_mediterranean_sea/ "it's so unfair that Greeks get the Aegean sea as an EEZ, it should be Turkish!!" (paraphrased, not direct quote, from a deleted user) Does that EEZ reflect Russia's annexation of Crimea or did it always have this EEZ?
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FlamingLiberal posted:MBS very quickly reached that part of running an autocracy where the autocrat just decides to start all sorts of batshit insane projects Eh, worked for Egypt for few dynasties.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Iraq is getting interesting again. The protesters seem to be al-Sadr's supporters, and are protesting against Iran's preferred candidate for Iraqi prime minister. Complete noob question here: Both Iran and Sadr's people are shia, so am I correct in assuming Iran's man is going to be working against their interests somehow?
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As far as I understand, al-Sadr very much resents Iranian attempts to treat Iraq as subservient to Iran, and is in favor of a muscular Iraqi form of Shia identity.
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dr_rat posted:So wasn't the first version of this like just neighborhood blocks at ground level, and transportation and logistic (and I'd imagine workers/servants/slave) underneath going down like three stories? That’s also what I remember, it looked like a dumb idea but not literally impossible without 80+ years of new technology that doesn’t exist and isn’t close to existing. 500m tall, 200m wide, 34km long? Someone could probably do the math on it but I bet that’s more steel than China plus the US have used together in the past 50 years. Torrannor posted:Does that EEZ reflect Russia's annexation of Crimea or did it always have this EEZ? Odd, yeah looks like it recognized Crimea as Russian, but then not Abkhazia as independent. Maybe Russia had some small EEZ around Sevastopol before but they wouldn’t have had the whole EEZ I don’t imagine.
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Torrannor posted:As far as I understand, al-Sadr very much resents Iranian attempts to treat Iraq as subservient to Iran, and is in favor of a muscular Iraqi form of Shia identity. This is true. Al-Sadr is a complicated guy with a complicated history. He ran one of the most effective rebel groups against the US occupation. Then he disbanded this militia. Then he spent several years studying in Iran. These days he organizes frequent large scale protests. His followers have gone into Iraqi government buildings before this. Not really sure what his ultimate goal is but he can't be summarised in the Shia-Sunni split.
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Dude's just an Iraqi nationalist who has a limited amount of patience for foreign influence in his country's affairs. Seems fairly straightforward.
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Darth Walrus posted:Dude's just an Iraqi nationalist who has a limited amount of patience for foreign influence in his country's affairs. Seems fairly straightforward. That's the image he wants to project currently for sure. His militia was definitely guilty of sectarian violence during the occupation though, not just attacks aimed at American forces.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:That's the image he wants to project currently for sure. His militia was definitely guilty of sectarian violence during the occupation though, not just attacks aimed at American forces. That’s also been like what, more than 15 years, since the Al Sadr’s army insurgency period? He seems to have chilled out a lot as far as I can tell, although I don’t follow Iraqi politics especially closely. Also The Economist has a very long article about MBS with nothing new but a good summary, and the last like eight paragraphs are an on the spot visit if Neom. https://www.economist.com/1843/2022/07/28/mbs-despot-in-the-desert Spoiler: there is nothing visibly built of Neom at all, no large water purification stations or power plants, no massive base infrastructure, etc, and certainly nothing consumer-facing like residences - but also not even anything obvious like large residences for thousands / tens of thousands of construction workers. Seems pure boondoggle such that quite possibly *none* of it will ever be built.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:after 40 years of disrepair on even a small section of it (which is still more than will ever be built) you'd have an incredible setting for some dystopic scifi crime game 
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Saladman posted:That’s also been like what, more than 15 years, since the Al Sadr’s army insurgency period? He seems to have chilled out a lot as far as I can tell, although I don’t follow Iraqi politics especially closely. It's pretty wild that 'at least he stopped massacring Sunnis ~15 years ago' might legitimately make him one of the most viable unifying figures in the country.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:It's pretty wild that 'at least he stopped massacring Sunnis ~15 years ago' might legitimately make him one of the most viable unifying figures in the country. That statement being true is brutal, jeez. I guess Lebanon is kind of the same way, except now it’s (mostly) the children of the massacring warlords instead of the actual actors. Oh and even despite all that they don’t have anyone who is even remotely unifying across ethno-religious boundaries.
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Ah, good ol' Al-Hasakah under SDF control, the perfect retirement community for PKK's urban bombing terrorists. Over the last few weeks, we've been seeing MIT going MOSSAD on KCK cadres. https://twitter.com/yalnizadalar/status/1553309066306494465 For those who don't know, or remember, the urban bombing this guy conducted in 2008, it was a double-tap attack. He placed two explosive devices in garbage containers and initially remotely detonated the first, smaller device. After civilian on-lookers and emergency responders gathered on scene to assist the victims, he went ahead and remotely detonated the bigger explosive device. Seventeen civilians were killed, including five children. A total of 154 people were injured. almighty fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 31, 2022 |
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almighty posted:Ah, good ol' Al-Hasakah under SDF control, the perfect retirement community for PKK's urban bombing terrorists. Over the last few weeks, we've been seeing MIT going MOSSAD on KCK cadres. Someone ought to violently occupy and/or bomb that city and terrorize the Kurdish population until they produce even more violent rebels who hate Turkey. DEFINITELY settle it with Turks as well. How many more cool lovely parallels we can have between Turkey and Israel.
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Count Roland posted:This is true. Al-Sadr is a complicated guy with a complicated history. He ran one of the most effective rebel groups against the US occupation. Then he disbanded this militia. Then he spent several years studying in Iran. These days he organizes frequent large scale protests. His followers have gone into Iraqi government buildings before this. Yeah I followed him since the start of the occupation, but I never quite found out what makes him tick. Googling "what does Moqtada Al-Sadr want" got me this: https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/50/1203/456528/AlAhram-Weekly/World/Analysis-What-does-Muqtada-AlSadr-want.aspx but I have no idea if it's a reliable source. It makes it seem like he runs Iraq already, which seems a little off.
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Grape posted:Someone ought to violently occupy and/or bomb that city and terrorize the Kurdish population until they produce even more violent rebels who hate Turkey. DEFINITELY settle it with Turks as well. The thing you don't realize is that Kurds and Turks are very similar and there aren't huge cultural or religious differences between the two ethnic identities. You also fail to realize that KCK is a cult-like pseudo-Marxist group in which the worship of the great leader with huge Stalin like mustache is mandatory, and brain washing is a part of indoctrination not just into the ranks of cadres but also a rite of passage for integration into social life in areas they control in Syria. Being a subject of KCK is neither fun or popular. And since TR is allied with nearly all other Kurdish political parties outside TR in their fight against KCK/PKK, I wouldn't really jump to the conclusion of TR counter-terrorism strategy is bound to create a generation of Kurds hating TR. Besides, advances in technology have shifted the paradigm of counter-terrorism into pinpoint, accurate surgical strikes against perpetrators of terror acts and the leadership cadres of KCK. Drone strikes, assassinations and hard intel work rarely don't really tend to polarize the localities KCK cadres blend into. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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almighty posted:Besides, advances in technology have shifted the paradigm of counter-terrorism into pinpoint, accurate surgical strikes against perpetrators of terror acts and the leadership cadres of KCK. Drone strikes, assassinations and hard intel work rarely don't really tend to polarize the localities KCK cadres blend into. 
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