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Stefan Prodan posted:lol yea that's pretty funny when FSS is just him in a wig right Yup. BigglesSWE posted:Did Jones also default to a guilty verdict in CT or is that case still to be decided? Stefan Prodan posted:I think Mr. Nice said earlier in the thread he also defaulted there I did, indeed, because he was defaulted in both cases due to excessive abuse of the discovery process.
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BigglesSWE posted:Did Jones also default to a guilty verdict in CT or is that case still to be decided?
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Hollismason posted:Who's suing him in CT? Other parents. Erica Lafferty and William Sherlach.
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Stefan Prodan posted:lol yea that's pretty funny when FSS is just him in a wig right I will never forget one of the depositions that Knowledge Fight covered where Mark Bankston was interrogating one of their lawyers about the layers of corporate bullshit they were trying to put up. The lawyer mentioned some shell company that was named "AEJ" and tried to act like it was this unknowable entity that Alex had no control over... only for Mark to just calmly ask him what Alex Jones's middle name was, betting that it probably starts with an E. (Spoilers: His full name is Alex Emerick Jones.) That is the level of guile that we are dealing with here.
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Can someone link me up to the stream if its started?
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This guy is in the CT courtroom. https://twitter.com/FrankieGCT/status/1554465480919883776
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Generic American posted:(Spoilers: His full name is Alex Emerick Jones.) NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BUT ALL I CAN SAY IS I SEE ALL THIS LOVE, THIS GAY FROG LOVING, BLOOMING ALL OVER THE BATTLEFIELD OF OUR AMERICAN SOULS, AND THE GLOBALISTS CLAIM THEY AREN'T PUTTING ANYTHING IN MY CHILI BUT (death rattle but it's just a long drawn-out chili shart) wit posted:Can someone link me up to the stream if its started? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oidaP0MM6dE E: hah vvv
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wit posted:Can someone link me up to the stream if its started? Started a couple minutes ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oidaP0MM6dE
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neato burrito posted:I completely forgot about this loving sideshow yesterday, and now I find out the big beefy pressure cooker of a human being is going to take the stand? el oh loving el. Hostile witness just means adverse to your interests, which is automatically anyone the other side calls. Asking to treat someone as hostile occurs in the rare instance a "friendly" witness isn't. A common example of this are reluctant domestic violence victims. The main difference is that you're allowed to ask leading questions. Questions for friendly witnesses must be open ended: "What happened after your wife spilt the soup?" versus the leading "and then you hit her, right?"
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Just like how he should have been able to put up a better legal defense if he wasn’t a stupid rear end in a top hat, Jones should have been able to get away with hiding all the money and important assets behind a weird corporate structure like that, he can afford to pay people to set that up for him, but instead he did it stupidly and badly.
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Alex Jones looking really smug playing a shell game with only one shell.
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As mentioned yesterday, this will be a tough day. Don’t be afraid to take a breather and cry or yell or yell into the thread, just nothing that will have me talking to any cops of any country.
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Cosigning Teen Witch. Mr. Heslin's testimony is already brutal, I doubt it'll get less intense this morning
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Is there a good legal strategy to allowing a default judgement instead of actually trying to avoid it?
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Thanks for the link goons, you're doing god's work. I'm guessing his lawyers either chained him to the floor to stop him "helping" or he'll be standing outside with a bullhorn protesting his own trial. Or you know, he knows exactly what he's doing and is keeping a low profile.
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Azuth0667 posted:Is there a good legal strategy to allowing a default judgement instead of actually trying to avoid it? No, I don't think so? To my understanding it means that the jury is to assume you are guilty on every count, and the defense is no longer allowed to present anything indicating innocence, only attempt to limit the scale of guilt Maybe if the evidence you are refusing to produce would contain evidence of other, unrelated crimes to the ones that the discovery is for? Like if your crooked books during an embezzlement case included line items for murder-for-hire or something. Beyond that I don't think there are any advantages.
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Azuth0667 posted:Is there a good legal strategy to allowing a default judgement instead of actually trying to avoid it? If for some reason Discovery is so bad for you that it's better to refuse to participate and get defaulted, I could see it Edit: Usually you would be settling, but these are weird circumstances
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If you're judgment proof because you have no assets, you might default because it will simply cost less to not do anything when the result is going to be the same Also maybe the suit might be so small that you think the winner won't bother to track down your assets if they're at all a pain in the rear end to get to those are the examples my civil procedure textbook gave anyway, I have no idea how often they would occur in the real world
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Doesn't look like it. He isn't there now. And Neil already called him a Coward for not being there.
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Azuth0667 posted:Is there a good legal strategy to allowing a default judgement instead of actually trying to avoid it? I kind of assumed that they knew the default was coming and just let it happen in order to avoid providing damaging documents about finances or internal policies. Imagine if Alex Jones was using company funds to pay hush money to a mistress or something similar like there being payouts for sexual harassment. If they hadn't somehow produced documents that were not asked for during discovery (along with stuff they couldn't identify the origin of to this day) it would almost be a reasonable conclusion. The fact that he's potentially suing his lawyers for providing inadequate services indicates it was incompetence more than anything that got him here. I would accept that some documents were held back due to there being more damaging information on them than what has come out already, but I don't think this was some sort of master stroke move on his part.
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Devor posted:If for some reason Discovery is so bad for you that it's better to refuse to participate and get defaulted, I could see it Yeah, if FSS hypothetically had a bunch of evidence of way worse crimes that they though they could suppress by not willing participating in discovery and getting a default, maybe. In that case, settling would be the correct response in 99.9% of situations. I guess there could be some situation where they didn't want information to get out and were willing to roll the dice that a default judgment against them and subsequent damages would still be less than a settlement. I don't think any of that calculus is present in this case though. Alex Jones is just a baby-man who has thrown multiple tantrums and thinks he's smarter than everyone else and will win with his shell games.
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There are options besides receiving a default ruling instead of just constantly fumbling.quote:On Friday, an attorney representing ShotSpotter, a gunshot-detection technology company, made the unusual request that a judge in a criminal case hold the company in contempt of court to prevent ShotSpotter from being compelled to release documents about how it assesses gunshot alerts. https://chicagoreader.com/news-politics/shotspotter-held-in-contempt-of-court/
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duz posted:There are options besides receiving a default ruling instead of just constantly fumbling. That's a different situation though, they aren't the defendant, that's a criminal case where they're being asked to turn over evidence the thing about asking to be held in contempt in a civil trial instead of turn over evidence actually did happen in at least one very important case that originated the work product doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hickman_v._Taylor but no legitimate issues are going on here like that I don't think Stefan Prodan fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Aug 2, 2022 |
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I guess that's a reasonable decision if their product works on a system protected by trade secrets rather than patents. Or they know their product is utter bollocks and they have no way to explain how it could function that would stand up to 5 minutes of study by an intelligent person.
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Oh man KF brings up a good point today: what will Alex Jones answering questions from the jury look like? 
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Via video so they can pull the plug if he starts winding up?
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teen witch posted:https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1554470189567442944?s=20&t=NwpIRFZTawF6rNaDHyHK9w loving chickenshit piece of garbage.
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teen witch posted:https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1554470189567442944?s=20&t=NwpIRFZTawF6rNaDHyHK9w LOL, the call out of him being a coward was so on the money earlier. drat, I wish any of my clients could pretend to have medical issues so they could avoid testifying in person and having a jury watch them sweat.
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BigglesSWE posted:Oh man KF brings up a good point today: what will Alex Jones answering questions from the jury look like? I hope that one juror asks the lizardmen question again.
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Wondering why he is choosing to use video instead of being in person.
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Devor posted:If for some reason Discovery is so bad for you that it's better to refuse to participate and get defaulted, I could see it  Its this. For whatever reason AJ is completely terrified of discovery. Normally a corporation would settle, but a - don't know if the Sandy Hook parents are inclined to settle at any price and b - settling damages the overall AJ gay-frog narrative. Plus AJ is obviously deranged-greedy, so paying out anymoney is anathema to him. Instead he's going to hire the cheapest lawyers possible who will play along with his utterly dumb bullshit, and probably go full conspiracy theory in his testimony today, and keep trying to run out the clock on legal theatrics while framing all of this to his followers as evidence of the globalist conspiracy in general and against him specifically. and quite frankly, it would have worked if AJ weren't quite so stupid & cheap.
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Vampire Panties posted:
they tried to settle and the families turned them down every time to be fair they were really lowball offers though so I mean they might have taken a few million or something I dunno https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/30/sandy-hook-newtown-alex-jones-infowars
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Hollismason posted:Wondering why he is choosing to use video instead of being in person.
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goatface posted:Via video so they can pull the plug if he starts winding up? Considering how long he's been on air and still can't make his phones work, I see a random tech issue happening so suddenly he can't testify and five minutes later he's on air. Also I can't hear this guy at all, but the bits I do hear I'm probably better off.
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Yeah, Mr. Heslin seems rather soft spoken and this is him speaking off the cuff, plus crappy audio as a whole throughout. It might be for the best. Poor guy looks just…done. He’s lived a hell I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. It’s just something I cannot fathom.
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Lawlicaust posted:LOL, the call out of him being a coward was so on the money earlier. So the odds are very low, but there's a non-zero chance he'll try to skype into the trial while still hosting his show.
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