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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



InitialDave posted:

I'm just mad they didn't make another LM002

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Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost
I saw three of the Bentley SUV the other day in the same doctor's office parking lot (patients, not employees).

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Ether Frenzy posted:

I saw three of the Bentley SUV the other day in the same doctor's office parking lot (patients, not employees).

plastic surgeon?

Ether Frenzy
Dec 22, 2006




Nap Ghost
Eye doctor actually. I don't know what else is in the building but they have the top two floors of a 5 story.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Ether Frenzy posted:

Eye doctor actually. I don't know what else is in the building but they have the top two floors of a 5 story.

well on the plus side once they get their eyes fixed , maybe they will sell the bentley's?

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Love too have too pull out my phone and use an app to find out whether the AI has gone rogue and will murder me on a crossing or not.

https://twitter.com/GazEtc/status/1554458024965804034?t=iPW7Gr5tABhxm0Pt6CrnFw&s=19

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

BuckyDoneGun posted:

Oh no, the ruined purity of a tractor company :argh:

Edit:

No, they're sports car companies that wisely milk a higher volume cash cow to fund making a dozen special editions of the same sports car.

They make real Toorak Tractors now.

Also Lambo are owned by VAG and use a fuckload of Audi stuff so the "Need to make SUV's to make money" doesnt exactly pass the smell test. Altho given Lambo *has* more of a family car (The Espada) and the LM002, at least there's some history there.

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Love too have too pull out my phone and use an app to find out whether the AI has gone rogue and will murder me on a crossing or not.

https://twitter.com/GazEtc/status/1554458024965804034?t=iPW7Gr5tABhxm0Pt6CrnFw&s=19

FFS, this never going to work self driving poo poo has got to stop.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Ether Frenzy posted:

Eye doctor actually. I don't know what else is in the building but they have the top two floors of a 5 story.

That makes sense, you'd have to be blind to buy a Bentayga.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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"I want an SUV just like every single other person on the road"

"...But it has to be a special SUV"

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Data Graham posted:

"I want an SUV just like every single other person on the road"

"...But it has to be a special SUV"

Mine's the white one!

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Also Lambo are owned by VAG and use a fuckload of Audi stuff so the "Need to make SUV's to make money" doesnt exactly pass the smell test. Altho given Lambo *has* more of a family car (The Espada) and the LM002, at least there's some history there.

Yeah but you're kidding yourself if you don't think there's internal corporate pressure for the brands to perform standalone, let alone the various marketing reasons for offering a family car for Johnny Aventador to buy as well, simply because they can.

RS Q8 $119,900
Cayenne Turbo $135,900
Bentayga V8 $196,125
Urus $225,501

No way in hell does the Lambo bill of materials total $105,000 more than the Audi does, so gently caress yeah piles more money coming in the VAG door for the same old stuff they already sell in a slightly different shape. I dunno I just really don't care for these dumb purity tests.

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

Self driving will become common and safer than the majority of human driving. It isn't there.

Disgruntled Bovine
Jul 5, 2010

No. 6 posted:

Self driving will become common and safer than the majority of human driving. It isn't there.

Not any time soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sy5vh2erjg

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


No. 6 posted:

Self driving will become common and safer than the majority of human driving. It isn't there.

Unless companies all come together to agree on standards and also work in conjunction with those laying the infrastructure to add a billion sensors for redundancy they're still going to be a lovely mess for a looooooong time. This is of course if you're talking full time, completely autonomous driving. If you're on about a car changing lanes and braking then yeah not really much of an issue there but it isn't the same thing.

*edit: basically what that video says ^ :v:

Olympic Mathlete fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Aug 3, 2022

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
WHAT DO YOU MEAN!?!?! MY TESLA HAS FULL SELF DRIVING RIGHT NOW IT EVEN SAYS SO!!!

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.
Re: The cars Lamborghini wanted to make (not sports cars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io0zK9Kb9gQ
But also, the Miura :swoon:

PBCrunch
Jun 17, 2002

Lawrence Phillips Always #1 to Me
Some dickheads got into my car and my wife's car and did some rummaging around last night. The footage isn't great. Can any of you all figure out the make and model of the car in this video? I'm thinking late-90s Buick LeSabre or Park Avenue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTFjaGNh1I&t=76s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONJGQ7EC2Rc&t=70s

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
Looks like a park avenue to me

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


PBCrunch posted:

Some dickheads got into my car and my wife's car and did some rummaging around last night. The footage isn't great. Can any of you all figure out the make and model of the car in this video? I'm thinking late-90s Buick LeSabre or Park Avenue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTFjaGNh1I&t=76s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONJGQ7EC2Rc&t=70s

Assholes.
Yeah, that looks like a '90s Buick.
Um, not to victim blame, but why are you not locking your cars? I'm a pretty trusting guy, but I won't do that. Hell, I have a tendency to put alarms on everything just for the auto-locking, but I'm an alarm installer in a previous life.

PBCrunch
Jun 17, 2002

Lawrence Phillips Always #1 to Me

Darchangel posted:

Assholes.
Yeah, that looks like a '90s Buick.
Um, not to victim blame, but why are you not locking your cars? I'm a pretty trusting guy, but I won't do that. Hell, I have a tendency to put alarms on everything just for the auto-locking, but I'm an alarm installer in a previous life.

The Lexus has a parasitic drain I need to track down. In the meantime, a fuse is pulled that disables the power locks. And I am lazy.

My wife's car, I don't know. She just doesn't lock it at home. I was at least able to convince her not to keep the garage door opener inside the car.

This is the second time it has happened this year and I have had a catalyst stolen out of my CR-V. I'm thinking about wiring some Zigbee water detection sensors to the door triggers on my cars to alert me via Home Assistant when a car door opens without a door opening event in the previous two minutes.

PBCrunch fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Aug 3, 2022

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


The big door handle shaped chunk of metal colored plastic in the doors of the Cadillac Lyriq is not the door handle. It is simply the mount for the door popper button.

To get in, you push the button, and then reach up and grab the door handle to open the door. the rear doors to not have a handle, you push the button and pull on the frame of the door.

This all, of course, works flawlessly in every climate, and in the event of an accident.

https://i.imgur.com/l39DN6D.mp4

The future sucks out loud.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Powershift posted:

The big door handle shaped chunk of metal colored plastic in the doors of the Cadillac Lyriq is not the door handle. It is simply the mount for the door popper button.

To get in, you push the button, and then reach up and grab the door handle to open the door. the rear doors to not have a handle, you push the button and pull on the frame of the door.

This all, of course, works flawlessly in every climate, and in the event of an accident.

https://i.imgur.com/l39DN6D.mp4

The future sucks out loud.

What’s the point of this? Reducing drag by eliminating the handles?

PBCrunch
Jun 17, 2002

Lawrence Phillips Always #1 to Me
That is Tesla stupid. If you're going to have some stupid capacitive touch button or whatever to trigger a mechanism to open the door can't you at least do it clever? Integrate the button into the B-pillar trim or tip the door open based on key fob proximity?

Jimong5
Oct 3, 2005

If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!!
Grimey Drawer

Ambassadorofsodomy posted:

Looks like a park avenue to me

I wanna say crown vic/town car, the tail lights don't look right for a park avenue?

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

No. 6 posted:

Self driving will become common and safer than the majority of human driving. It isn't there.



I feel like the self driving discussion is unproductive in part because people reasonably have differing definitions.

Someone who likes road trips on highways and has been driving for 10+ years might consider the GM SuperCruise or comparable systems as meeting their needs in a self driving system, even if limited to some situations. This would be pretty impactful to someone like my wife who has a 30 minute mostly-highway commute and works 12 hours days frequently. If GM SuperCruise is safer per highway mile, I'd say we already have safe, self driving cars, just only in limited circumstances.

That perspective makes posts like this one seem absurd:

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

FFS, this never going to work self driving poo poo has got to stop.

However! My wife's sister doesn't have a driver's license. Reasonably, she may see self driving as a car that can move her along 99.99% of paved roads with no one else in it safely and legally. With that also valid perspective, CAT INTERCEPTOR's post may seem like common sense.

I'll throw my hat into the time prediction ring looking at it through the NASA technology readiness level scale. I'd put the 2006/2007 DARPA competitors at a technology readiness level of 5 or 6. For the "its a full taxi" standard, the current systems seem to be in limited range tests using production identical hardware (probably) and not-fully-debugged-software. So they're roughly TRL 7 or 8. At TRL 9 we have at least someone producing robotaxis. So it took ~15 years to progress 1-2 technology readiness levels and it'll likely take that to progress more.

I am a little disappointed that car companies have been allowed to sell the hype of FSD of an immature system, certainly it seems like a pointless risk for consumers.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Jimong5 posted:

I wanna say crown vic/town car, the tail lights don't look right for a park avenue?

Yeah, with the brake lights visible from the front view camera, and how far the headlights cut into the front fender, i think panther platform, body trim looks like grand marquis.


Darchangel posted:

Assholes.
Yeah, that looks like a '90s Buick.
Um, not to victim blame, but why are you not locking your cars? I'm a pretty trusting guy, but I won't do that. Hell, I have a tendency to put alarms on everything just for the auto-locking, but I'm an alarm installer in a previous life.

They're in his driveway wearing masks and gloves.

If the doors were locked, the locks probably would have been punched in.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Powershift posted:

The big door handle shaped chunk of metal colored plastic in the doors of the Cadillac Lyriq is not the door handle. It is simply the mount for the door popper button.

To get in, you push the button, and then reach up and grab the door handle to open the door. the rear doors to not have a handle, you push the button and pull on the frame of the door.

This all, of course, works flawlessly in every climate, and in the event of an accident.

https://i.imgur.com/l39DN6D.mp4

The future sucks out loud.

What makes me laugh about modern cars is how much vestigial poo poo there is on their designs. Like with this it's the pointless loving 'handle' that's still shaped like one otherwise it would confuse people. With some EVs there's the grille that doesn't need to exist because it doesn't have a traditional cooling system. Then there's ICE cars with exhausts that fire straight down into the road which are hiding behind the bumper, the bumper that still has chrome/silver 'exhaust' shapes on it.

If you're pushing to remove something that doesn't need to exist, why the gently caress are you designing something that looks like it but actually isn't back into the car? I figure designers want to do away with things but the suits are convinced average Joe wouldn't accept it so you end up with dumb looking poo poo like the above.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

Olympic Mathlete posted:

I figure designers want to do away with things but the suits are convinced average Joe wouldn't accept it so you end up with dumb looking poo poo like the above.

I think you hit the nail on the head. It's between that and possibly regulations that haven't caught up to the technology.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Olympic Mathlete posted:

With some EVs there's the grille that doesn't need to exist because it doesn't have a traditional cooling system.

Grilles are mostly stylistic on ICE cars too - cars just look weird without them (original Ford Taurus or Sierra, or the Initinto Q45)

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Then there's ICE cars with exhausts that fire straight down into the road which are hiding behind the bumper, the bumper that still has chrome/silver 'exhaust' shapes on it

My brother in law has a new Tiguan that does that - hidden exhaust on each side with a vaguely exhaust shaped chrome ring on the bumper. Guess its because it's the 'R Line' and is supposed to look sporty

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe
except evs outside of like the leaf do have a cooling system to keep the motor/igbts/pack within certain temperature thresholds.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
Even the Leaf still has an AC system and needs an opening to cool that - they just put it down in the bumper.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Olympic Mathlete posted:

What makes me laugh about modern cars is how much vestigial poo poo there is on their designs. Like with this it's the pointless loving 'handle' that's still shaped like one otherwise it would confuse people. With some EVs there's the grille that doesn't need to exist because it doesn't have a traditional cooling system. Then there's ICE cars with exhausts that fire straight down into the road which are hiding behind the bumper, the bumper that still has chrome/silver 'exhaust' shapes on it.

If you're pushing to remove something that doesn't need to exist, why the gently caress are you designing something that looks like it but actually isn't back into the car? I figure designers want to do away with things but the suits are convinced average Joe wouldn't accept it so you end up with dumb looking poo poo like the above.

the Grille on the lyriq is just there to light up.

https://i.imgur.com/46SJre9.mp4

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
That looks kinda cool in an extremely tacky way and at the end of the day isn't that what Cadillac is all about?

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Powershift posted:

The big door handle shaped chunk of metal colored plastic in the doors of the Cadillac Lyriq is not the door handle. It is simply the mount for the door popper button.

To get in, you push the button, and then reach up and grab the door handle to open the door. the rear doors to not have a handle, you push the button and pull on the frame of the door.

This all, of course, works flawlessly in every climate, and in the event of an accident.

https://i.imgur.com/l39DN6D.mp4

The future sucks out loud.

This is a Cadillac, sir. I'll have you know that *no* Cadillac owner will ever park their car out-of-doors in inclement weather! Such poppycock! :monocle:

CarForumPoster posted:

I feel like the self driving discussion is unproductive in part because people reasonably have differing definitions.

Someone who likes road trips on highways and has been driving for 10+ years might consider the GM SuperCruise or comparable systems as meeting their needs in a self driving system, even if limited to some situations. This would be pretty impactful to someone like my wife who has a 30 minute mostly-highway commute and works 12 hours days frequently. If GM SuperCruise is safer per highway mile, I'd say we already have safe, self driving cars, just only in limited circumstances.

That perspective makes posts like this one seem absurd:

However! My wife's sister doesn't have a driver's license. Reasonably, she may see self driving as a car that can move her along 99.99% of paved roads with no one else in it safely and legally. With that also valid perspective, CAT INTERCEPTOR's post may seem like common sense.

I'll throw my hat into the time prediction ring looking at it through the NASA technology readiness level scale. I'd put the 2006/2007 DARPA competitors at a technology readiness level of 5 or 6. For the "its a full taxi" standard, the current systems seem to be in limited range tests using production identical hardware (probably) and not-fully-debugged-software. So they're roughly TRL 7 or 8. At TRL 9 we have at least someone producing robotaxis. So it took ~15 years to progress 1-2 technology readiness levels and it'll likely take that to progress more.

I am a little disappointed that car companies have been allowed to sell the hype of FSD of an immature system, certainly it seems like a pointless risk for consumers.

"Self Driving" to the average person means the car drives itself without need for input from a human. We will *never* get that without the cars talking to each other, the road, and possibly a central control. Asking the car to do it all is tantamount to making the car a mobile AI, and if it's that powerful, it's going to go rogue and kill us all, or itself (See Delamain in Cyberpunk 2077) In other words, it will not exist, certainly not any time soon.

Trust me, I *want* all the terrible drivers and drivers who don't want to be driving to not be driving, but it's not going to happen in the next 10 years, probably not the next 30.


Powershift posted:

Yeah, with the brake lights visible from the front view camera, and how far the headlights cut into the front fender, i think panther platform, body trim looks like grand marquis.

They're in his driveway wearing masks and gloves.

If the doors were locked, the locks probably would have been punched in.

The fact that they left the Integra alone after trying the doors argues against this.

PBCrunch
Jun 17, 2002

Lawrence Phillips Always #1 to Me

Darchangel posted:

The fact that they left the Integra alone after trying the doors argues against this.
They did open the door of the Integra. I imagine they saw the missing door panels that I took out to reupholster and then never put back in and decided to look elsewhere.

These particular thieves seemed to leave cars alone if they were locked. Not all thieves operate this way. Particularly if they have reason to believe a particular vehicle has something they desire (example: a stereo).

These guys seemed like they wanted to keep quiet and hit as many targets as possible. Note that the guy in the red hat and blue mask didn't really shut the door of the Lexus. Of course it rained later in the night.

Lock your car, maybe get the window smashed out. A real problem for my Lexus since it is almost 30 years old and parts availability was never great.

Leave your car unlocked, keep your windows, but if some assholes come through your neighborhood, they are definitely getting in your car and digging around in your stuff.

If my car doors are connected to my home automation system, I could potentially wake up, wait a short while, then call the police and/or get in my car after the thieves have moved on and find the car driving around my neighborhood with no lights on and get a plate number (of a probably stolen car).

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




The problem with self-driving cars is the lead is being taken by Tesla who have a Apple-like approach to creating and keeping within industry standards.


See also, IEEE power station connectors and Only Tesla doesn’t use them

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


PBCrunch posted:

They did open the door of the Integra. I imagine they saw the missing door panels that I took out to reupholster and then never put back in and decided to look elsewhere.

These particular thieves seemed to leave cars alone if they were locked. Not all thieves operate this way. Particularly if they have reason to believe a particular vehicle has something they desire (example: a stereo).

These guys seemed like they wanted to keep quiet and hit as many targets as possible. Note that the guy in the red hat and blue mask didn't really shut the door of the Lexus. Of course it rained later in the night.

Lock your car, maybe get the window smashed out. A real problem for my Lexus since it is almost 30 years old and parts availability was never great.

Leave your car unlocked, keep your windows, but if some assholes come through your neighborhood, they are definitely getting in your car and digging around in your stuff.

If my car doors are connected to my home automation system, I could potentially wake up, wait a short while, then call the police and/or get in my car after the thieves have moved on and find the car driving around my neighborhood with no lights on and get a plate number (of a probably stolen car).

Ah.
I have a noisemaker with blinky lights for this reason. People can ignore alarms of course, but it sitting there in front of my house *I* won't ignore it.
Those jackoffs were pretty bold coming up even with all the lights on, for sure.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I'm dumb. What car is it that has a grille kinda like this?



Shape-wise it was sort of Jaguar-like, like a Callum design, but my hindbrain wanted to say Fisker

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Eagle Speedster?

what kind of car was it? oldish/newish? number of doors? estimated engine config?

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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New, like mid-2000s, large coupe. I want to say it was roughly Jaguar XK8-shaped.

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