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Jagged Jim posted:Yeah, The Russian economy looks good if you only look at Ruble to USD exchange rate and absolutely nothing else. Prices are skyrocketing, production has fallen off a cliff, and imports and nongas exports are basically nonexistant. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or has no idea what they're talking about. (or both) The Russian economy looks great if you view it through the savings on consumers by not providing ABS or Seatbelts in the vehicles
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Russia's economy has basically been like North Dakota circa 2014 since the 90's. When oil and natural gas are doing well, then about 20% of the population does very well. The rest of them are slightly impacted by whatever is going on with that 20%, but mostly in their own world. It's gotten slightly worse recently because so many international companies have pulled out of Russia in the last year. Looking at the currency valuation and oil/gas industry doesn't really give an accurate glimpse of how Russia (as in the collective of people and not the state) is actually doing economically since about 80% of people participating in the economy are doing so in their own semi self-contained economic ecosystem in the larger urban areas that doesn't dramatically change with the amount of oil/gas extracted elsewhere.
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I don't want to view the poop in person, but I'm looking forward to hearing them whine about the abortion ban failing in Kansas nearly 2:1. I voted this morning around 8 and even then there was a line to vote, which I've never seen before around here.
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Aug 3, 2022 03:14
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Does Freep take Pelosi’s side or Xi’s?
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Aug 3, 2022 03:38
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Vahakyla posted:Does Freep take Pelosi’s side or Xi’s? They probably go with Xi because they think he's an evil genius and Nancy is minor demon in their universe.
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Aug 3, 2022 03:45
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Vlaphor posted:I don't want to view the poop in person, but I'm looking forward to hearing them whine about the abortion ban failing in Kansas nearly 2:1. I voted this morning around 8 and even then there was a line to vote, which I've never seen before around here. For you, I do this thing. Kansas voters voter to keep abortion rights enshrined in state constitution First step: Denial quote:To: Trump20162020 quote:To: Trump20162020 quote:To: napscoordinator quote:To: Trump20162020 quote:To: Trump20162020 quote:To: Trump20162020 Some people start to glean a shade of buyer's remorse quote:To: Sarah Barracuda quote:To: fidelis quote:To: Trump20162020 quote:To: Leaning Right quote:To: Trump20162020 Gotta admit, good burn here quote:To: Trump20162020 America Cowboy just has an indefatigably sunny disposition quote:To: napscoordinator quote:To: dfwgator quote:To: dfwgator quote:To: Jim Noble Wait, Dan in Wichita has deciphered the issue: people voted! quote:To: Round Earther
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No RHINO blame? 
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:No RHINO blame? :Trumpsad: Aww, buck up buddy. quote:To: nutmeg quote:To: Bayard quote:To: Trump20162020 quote:To: Sarah Barracuda All better!
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OAquinas posted:Aww, buck up buddy. Ah much better yes thank you
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Vlaphor posted:I don't want to view the poop in person, but I'm looking forward to hearing them whine about the abortion ban failing in Kansas nearly 2:1. I voted this morning around 8 and even then there was a line to vote, which I've never seen before around here. Countdown to the Supreme Court deciding that states don't have the right to choose...
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The Lone Badger posted:Countdown to the Supreme Court deciding that states don't have the right to choose... I'm sure the mental gymnastics would make contortionists second fiddle. Wouldn't be the first time I suppose, as they do lean authoritarian
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Aug 3, 2022 13:40
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Imagine states rights only applying to things they want, where have I heard this before
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Aug 3, 2022 13:57
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OAquinas posted:First step: Denial 
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Aug 3, 2022 14:27
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Just loving the idea of using primaries as a proxy for how states vote in a ballot referendum. That's like treating ISIS as a proxy for what people in the Middle East think... oh wait, Freep does that too don't they?
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I lived in Kansas for about five years, working at a loving Nazarene University. Their recent vote is breaking my brain in the best way possible. While the cities are plenty bits more liberal than the rest, that's not a lot of the state. The bulk of Kansas City is across the border in Missouri, with it being the biggest city in the state. I'm not saying Kansas is quite as severe as the Bible Belt, where I've also spent most of my life in Tennessee and Kentucky, but God drat if it isn't close. If I'm having a hard time squaring how this vote came down in favor of abortion, some Freepers must be having aneurysms.
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Aug 3, 2022 15:02
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Captain Log posted:I lived in Kansas for about five years, working at a loving Nazarene University. I don't think we've ever had freedoms stripped away like this before in America, at least not ones that were enshrined for half a century. We may be entering new territory here in terms of how people come out for elections. At the very least, the conventional wisdom of liberals only turning out for the big elections may be over, at least I hope so.
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Vlaphor posted:I don't think we've ever had freedoms stripped away like this before in America, at least not ones that were enshrined for half a century. We may be entering new territory here in terms of how people come out for elections. At the very least, the conventional wisdom of liberals only turning out for the big elections may be over, at least I hope so. Liberals in general have been pissed and energized in some form or another since 2016. The 2018 midterms saw the highest turnout in almost a century. Apropos nothing, I suspect it might have been wearing off in some areas, but the SCOTUS decision has almost certainly put more gas on that fire--Kansas seems to confirm that hypothesis.
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That probably depends on whether the democrats actually do anything about it, I don't the endless milking of the fear of the republicans for donations followed by a profound lack of action once in office, can be sustained indefinitely.
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Vlaphor posted:I don't think we've ever had freedoms stripped away like this before in America, at least not ones that were enshrined for half a century. We may be entering new territory here in terms of how people come out for elections. At the very least, the conventional wisdom of liberals only turning out for the big elections may be over, at least I hope so. There was that little matter of the 18th amendment.
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Aug 3, 2022 16:56
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Lots of gop voters, especially women, support some measure of abortion restriction but far beyond "total ban."
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Warmachine posted:Liberals in general have been pissed and energized in some form or another since 2016. The 2018 midterms saw the highest turnout in almost a century. Apropos nothing, I suspect it might have been wearing off in some areas, but the SCOTUS decision has almost certainly put more gas on that fire--Kansas seems to confirm that hypothesis. Not to mention attempting a coup has really pissed off a lot of people. January 6th investigation may be a show story for what's happening in Congress, but emptywheel coverage/legal analysis has shown that behind the scenes things are directly linked to Trump by now. This country could not incentivize more people to vote than they have through trying to shove through all this poo poo in one term.
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Safety Dance posted:There was that little matter of the 18th amendment. There was also the 13th amendment, a blatant woke attack on property rights which arguably wasn't even needed to end slavery. Mississippi was the last to ratify it in 1995 so they could have just waited...
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Lots of gop voters, especially women, support some measure of abortion restriction but far beyond "total ban." Yes, they want it to affect the bad dirty (brown) sluts that don't deserve access to reproductive health, but when their daughter makes a mistake, she needs to be able to do what's necessary and be forgiven for her minor mistake.
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Alex Jones ordered to pay $4.1 million to Sandy Hook parents in defamation casequote:To: navysealdad  bootlicking from DesertRhinoquote:To: navysealdad quote:To: Truthsearcher quote:To: Boogieman quote:To: Jonny7797  my lovely opinionsquote:To: ought-six  quote:To: Roadrunner383 quote:To: navysealdad quote:To: V_TWIN quote:To: Jonny7797
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Real crack legal team they have on Freep. The "It's just my opinion, man!" defense.
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Warmachine posted:Real crack legal team they have on Freep. The "It's just my opinion, man!" defense. It’s interesting that they can’t tell the difference between opinions and lies. Saying something is true when you know it is false is not an opinion. “Post truth society” or something.
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I see they really paid attention to the trial.
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They’re just citing prior president, and ultimately it’s just a pyric victory
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Iron pyric, or "fool's victory."
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Who cares what his defense would or wouldn't have been, he lost the judgment by default for disobeying court orders.
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Clarste posted:Who cares what his defense would or wouldn't have been, he lost the judgment by default for disobeying court orders. Nah the court's just not letting him defend himself, because the woke judge is a woman and mad at him for illogical emotional bullshit like "refusal to comply with discovery" and "suggesting she helps pedophiles" and "showing an image of her burning in fire on his show".
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Clarste posted:Who cares what his defense would or wouldn't have been, he lost the judgment by default for disobeying court orders. Yeah the jury didn't rule about guilt or innocence at all. Jones refused to cooperate in that trial and was subsequently found guilty by default. The best part is that Jones very obviously did this because he figured paying damages would be better for him than cooperating with discovery because he's a slimy piece of poo poo with a lot of skeletons in his closet and wanted to avoid outing them. And then his lawyer accidentally handed the plaintiff's counsel all the emails and texts he lied under oath about not having. Incredible.
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I listen to a podcast called Knowledge Fight, which uses his Info Wars show as a jumping off point for dissecting the conspiracy movement. Which means I know way too much about Jones and his ilk. I'm a little surprised he only got four million in damages. I've not read the articles about it yet. But considering how fundamentally he destroyed these parent's lives with his bullshit, four million feels like chump change. That better be in addition to paying their court costs, as well. The sad thing? He won't have an issue paying that in the slightest. poo poo, he recently got a bitcoin donation that totaled over a million.
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Captain Log posted:I'm a little surprised he only got four million in damages. I've not read the articles about it yet. But considering how fundamentally he destroyed these parent's lives with his bullshit, four million feels like chump change. That better be in addition to paying their court costs, as well. The $4 million was just compensatory (the "this is the price of your mistake" amount). Now they'll consider punitive damages (the "we want to punish you for your mistake" amount) which will probably be much higher. Here's a good little thread on it https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1555303864152117249
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Captain Log posted:I listen to a podcast called Knowledge Fight, which uses his Info Wars show as a jumping off point for dissecting the conspiracy movement. Which means I know way too much about Jones and his ilk. 4 million in compensation to one family. The compensatory damages don't take into account Jones' shenanigans. There will be a punitive damages phase which could be up to 10x the compensatory damages. In the punitive damages phase they will evaluate how willful Jones was and whether he's shown remorse and did he cooperate and did he even try not to hurt these people and etc... 10X seems unlikely but I think it could be substantial, maybe even 5X. I know some doomers are out there saying he's just going to get another 500k tacked on but I don't think so. I think the total from just this trial is going to be 20+ million. And then there is another trial in Connecticut with 8 families participating and much higher awards on the table and they have his phone contents now. And then and then it appears he is now open to a whole lot more poo poo that will come after this because phone. This is just the first shot landing home, not the whole broadside. edit: threadreader of the above popehat tweet: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1555303864152117249.html Murgos fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Aug 5, 2022 |
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Scratch Monkey posted:The $4 million was just compensatory (the "this is the price of your mistake" amount). Now they'll consider punitive damages (the "we want to punish you for your mistake" amount) which will probably be much higher. I don't think it can be; Texas caps punitive damages to twice the compensatory damages plus up to $750k, if I'm reading things right (which I may not be, not being a lawyer). This was a big part of why his lawyers spent so much time implying the jury should save their wrath for the punitive stage, knowing they hadn't been told this (and I think weren't allowed to be told this).
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Tragically tort reform was passed to protect people like Alex Jones and large corporations that poison people.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I don't think it can be; Texas caps punitive damages to twice the compensatory damages plus up to $750k, if I'm reading things right (which I may not be, not being a lawyer). This was a big part of why his lawyers spent so much time implying the jury should save their wrath for the punitive stage, knowing they hadn't been told this (and I think weren't allowed to be told this). I think it can be more, but there is definitely a formula that caps it, and from what ive read if over 10x more has to be reviewed by a separate judge. Captain Log posted:I listen to a podcast called Knowledge Fight, which uses his Info Wars show as a jumping off point for dissecting the conspiracy movement. Which means I know way too much about Jones and his ilk. Highly recommend knowledge fight, as an exhaustive (as in you will get exhausted from listening to that much jones. They have not recommended binging their back catalog) resource on the subject. I would recommend going over the Formulaic objection episodes for trial related stuff including interviews with the plaintiffs lawyers. quote:I'm a little surprised he only got four million in damages. I've not read the articles about it yet. But considering how fundamentally he destroyed these parent's lives with his bullshit, four million feels like chump change. That better be in addition to paying their court costs, as well. it was 8 million
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Basically, Jones is inconvenienced and going to lose money. But I have doubt it these cases will do anything to slow his bile seeping into the American consciousness, nor will they dramatically impact his standard of living.
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