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Warmachine posted:Fusion doesn't generally involve fissile material that creates decay products like a fission reactor does. It's one of the big pros of any theoretical fusion-based energy supply--they don't melt down and dump a bunch of ionizing radiation into the air. Minovsky reactors are "cold fusion" reactors, which is why they can be so small and cheap within the setting; cold fusion being an idea from the 50s, 60s etc. that was essentially disproven as a realistic avenue for the pursuit of fusion energy back in the 70s, if I recall. The cold in the name referring to the fact the fusion took place at roughly room temperature. As opposed to the fusion that occurs inside stars, and which is costing trillions of dollars over decades of research and requires huge rear end facilities when people try to replicate it on Earth. I'd also take a guess that the fact the reactors are cold fusion reactors is used to explain why the power produced and drawn by the systems is relatively low, though I've never seen anything to verify that; it just seems in keeping with the kind of thing setting writers, data book writers etc. would do when inheriting oddities like that. I was under the impression Minovksy reactors were clean fusion reactors that didn't produce radiation either though, now that you mention it, but people in Victory Gundam talk about reactor explosions contaminating the Earth a few times during the show, and avoiding hitting them not just because the explosion will be huge but because of contamination. I guess Tomino either wasn't responsible for that bit of lore, or just didn't care about it when making Victory. Neither of which would really be surprising. tsob fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Aug 4, 2022 |
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7 episodes into G Gundam and we already changed the OP animation! E: Okay, I'm watching the dub so they call it Spike Gundam instead of Tequila Gundam and I think that's kind of a better name for it lol Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Aug 4, 2022 |
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I'm kind of dreading watching 00 season 2 now. It's... odd. I've watched much worse shows, but there's just something extra tedious about 00 season 2. I didn't love season 1, but it had moments I respected, and there was an ambition there I respected more. Season 2, meanwhile, is just... bad. The plot is simplified to faultless heroes (there's offhand mentions of Katharon doing bad things, but no details to actually show how they ever did anything but shelter orphans and die to artificially raise the stakes) against mustache twirling villains, the characters are somehow less interesting than in season 1 where most of them barely existed, and the script feels the need to explain everything five or six times in incredibly tedious detail. Episode 18 has a four month timeskip, but it doesn't feel like it. No-one's got new haircuts, no-one has accomplished anything in the war, the tower break incident didn't accomplish anything except getting 60,000 more people killed, and the A-Laws take power that they pretty much had already. (The political plots are basically everything bad about Zeta's political plots turned up to 11. The heroes do nothing to influence it, and don't really interact with it, despite it being supposedly pivotal.) We even get multiple scenes (Lyle seeing Anew's innovator eyes, Louise fining out Andrei killed his dad) that would have logically happened months ago, except that then it would happen offscreen. The only big development is Lyle and Anew hooking up, which basically lets the show skip over the complicated "actually writing a developing relationship" stuff to just have an easy shortcut to Four style drama. (And here's where I say that I was surprised on watching Zeta how well it sold Kamille and Four connecting instantly. Even aside from the Newtype stuff, they felt on the same wavelength. After years of hearing it as an example of Gundam's poor relationship writing, I was shocked to see that it... basically worked.) This whole Momento Mori arc has been dire. I'm not excited for whatever's after it, exactly, but I'll be very glad when it's over.
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Arc Hammer posted:They weren't that big in 08th MS Team. It was one moment to establish Ryer as being a prick by using mobile suits as makeshift bombs. But I did blank on 0080's nuke. I haven’t watched victory in like a decade so I can’t really remember the details there but generally, mobile suit reactors explode because a minovsky reactor is essentially the fusion equivalent of a pressure cooker, where I-fields are used to squeeze fuel until it fuses, and disrupting the I-field essentially causes a bunch of high energy plasma to violently become unpressurized, rather than any sort of actual nuclear or chemical explosion.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I haven’t watched victory in like a decade so I can’t really remember the details there but generally, mobile suit reactors explode because a minovsky reactor is essentially the fusion equivalent of a pressure cooker, where I-fields are used to squeeze fuel until it fuses, and disrupting the I-field essentially causes a bunch of high energy plasma to violently become unpressurized, rather than any sort of actual nuclear or chemical explosion. They're definitely worried about the environmental impact of such an explosion, tho it could be from toxic components in the mecha itself. which sometimes do seem to be vaporized in these blasts
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chiasaur11 posted:That's because it didn't come off as much of a Tower of Babel to me until you brought it up. Secondly, the material used to build it doesn't matter in the least, consider the story of Babel. Humans unfettered by the bounds of differing language work together to try and create a tower reaching into the sky to steal Gods power. They are cast down, the tower layed low, and their ability to communicate stripped from them. I think you can see how this applies to Ribbons, at various points he claims to be the future of humanity, to be a god, and to be the true inheritor of Aeolia's plan. And yet his actions only serve to keep humanity in perpetual stasis under his auspice. Language is the general tool for communication among humans, and Ribbons continually strips it from humanity literally by censoring anything and everything and metaphorically by smashing anything that could reasonably threaten his grip like the Federation Coup did. chiasaur11 posted:And even including it, I don't really see how it benefits the story. Marina is named after Mary, but she's still a terrible character, even if we grant her some Mary and Martha symbolism with Shirin. If this is a Tower of Babel falling on the world, then it should lead somewhere. But since Soran Ibrahim had already abandoned the nation of his birth on a holy mission, it's just an allusion for the sake of an allusion, even if we grant it. A chasing after the wind.
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The problem with calling symbolism meaningless is that it does a disservice to yourself in watching media. More and more there's properties coming out that just spit the plot at you, endless exposition and with that comes this grey concrete definitiveness. It's boring, it's tedious. Symbols precede human language, consider a tree, I don't wanna blow peoples mind, but a Tree is a Tree, but the symbol of a tree, a drawing or sketch is also a tree. The basic Chinese characters derive from the symbols of Trees and the Sun and all that, and pictograms precede the latin alphabet by ten billion years or something. The point being, is that people focus only on the Text, the words, the directed narrative. It's like watching a movie with your eyes close, every decision is created in a work, the dialogue is just as artificial as the direction, the setting, the aesthetics. What is happening, visually and soundiatically all matter as much as the dialogue. Not directed at you Chi, but more and more I'm seeing people incapable or unwilling to actually engage with the media they consume. I'm not angry at them, just baffled and sad for them, why would you chose to spend your time on something that you don't give your attention, something you don't want to consider and roll around in your head until you've got a handle on it. Why would you look at something from one angle when you can look at it from ten, people wield Death of the Author or Auteur Theory like swords striking out from the dark to cut down the forms of criticism. Why? Why not consider the Directorial intent, your own readings, Biblical, Marxist, Formalistic, Freudian, and Feminist criticism all at once, one would not come to a Pastry and say "Today, I shall only judge this on smell, not on taste or sight nor any other. It's lunacy and it's robbing people of enjoyment of works.
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The second issue of Gundam Sequel is out, it reveals that the main character's mom was burned alive in a Gundam cockpit during birth, and then the baby crawled out of the cockpit which was metaphorically her mother now. So she has the ability to shapeshift and Wolverine's healing powers.
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Gaius Marius posted:The problem with calling symbolism meaningless is that it does a disservice to yourself in watching media. More and more there's properties coming out that just spit the plot at you, endless exposition and with that comes this grey concrete definitiveness. It's boring, it's tedious. Symbols precede human language, consider a tree, I don't wanna blow peoples mind, but a Tree is a Tree, but the symbol of a tree, a drawing or sketch is also a tree. The basic Chinese characters derive from the symbols of Trees and the Sun and all that, and pictograms precede the latin alphabet by ten billion years or something. The point being, is that people focus only on the Text, the words, the directed narrative. It's like watching a movie with your eyes close, every decision is created in a work, the dialogue is just as artificial as the direction, the setting, the aesthetics. What is happening, visually and soundiatically all matter as much as the dialogue. Not directed at you Chi, but more and more I'm seeing people incapable or unwilling to actually engage with the media they consume. I'm not angry at them, just baffled and sad for them, why would you chose to spend your time on something that you don't give your attention, something you don't want to consider and roll around in your head until you've got a handle on it. Why would you look at something from one angle when you can look at it from ten, people wield Death of the Author or Auteur Theory like swords striking out from the dark to cut down the forms of criticism. Why? Why not consider the Directorial intent, your own readings, Biblical, Marxist, Formalistic, Freudian, and Feminist criticism all at once, one would not come to a Pastry and say "Today, I shall only judge this on smell, not on taste or sight nor any other. It's lunacy and it's robbing people of enjoyment of works. 00S2 is bad
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Gaius Marius posted:The problem with calling symbolism meaningless is that it does a disservice to yourself in watching media. More and more there's properties coming out that just spit the plot at you, endless exposition and with that comes this grey concrete definitiveness. It's boring, it's tedious. Symbols precede human language, consider a tree, I don't wanna blow peoples mind, but a Tree is a Tree, but the symbol of a tree, a drawing or sketch is also a tree. The basic Chinese characters derive from the symbols of Trees and the Sun and all that, and pictograms precede the latin alphabet by ten billion years or something. The point being, is that people focus only on the Text, the words, the directed narrative. It's like watching a movie with your eyes close, every decision is created in a work, the dialogue is just as artificial as the direction, the setting, the aesthetics. What is happening, visually and soundiatically all matter as much as the dialogue. Not directed at you Chi, but more and more I'm seeing people incapable or unwilling to actually engage with the media they consume. I'm not angry at them, just baffled and sad for them, why would you chose to spend your time on something that you don't give your attention, something you don't want to consider and roll around in your head until you've got a handle on it. Why would you look at something from one angle when you can look at it from ten, people wield Death of the Author or Auteur Theory like swords striking out from the dark to cut down the forms of criticism. Why? Why not consider the Directorial intent, your own readings, Biblical, Marxist, Formalistic, Freudian, and Feminist criticism all at once, one would not come to a Pastry and say "Today, I shall only judge this on smell, not on taste or sight nor any other. It's lunacy and it's robbing people of enjoyment of works. This is what no multitasking does to the brain
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Gripweed posted:The second issue of Gundam Sequel is out, it reveals that the main character's mom was burned alive in a Gundam cockpit during birth, and then the baby crawled out of the cockpit which was metaphorically her mother now. So she has the ability to shapeshift and Wolverine's healing powers.  This sounds like it was dreamed up on drugs.
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Warmachine posted:
Waffleman_ posted:Yeah, that's Inoue.
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Warmachine posted:
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It's not officially Toshiki Inoue until someone falls from a high place into a large body of water. There's a reason that's the free space on the bingo card.
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Gripweed posted:The second issue of Gundam Sequel is out, it reveals that the main character's mom was burned alive in a Gundam cockpit during birth, and then the baby crawled out of the cockpit which was metaphorically her mother now. So she has the ability to shapeshift and Wolverine's healing powers. We have precedent for what a Gundam's kid is like already, though. He mostly just hides in the laundry. Really, the thing that feels most awkward to me about Sequel is how little it feels like a mecha story so far. The Gundams only exist as a setup, with combat being entirely infantry scale. There's no indication of what people would use mecha for, or even if they still exist. Contrast with G Gundam, where, despite the protagonists being superhuman kung fu masters, the mechs show up in the first episode with a clear role in the world. Here, we just have the edgelord protagonist stabbing and shooting people due to past connections to a Gundam. The last line about how anyone by her side is a thief did make me think of someone who'd respond well to that comment, though.
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a gundam that's focused on the infantry sounds pretty cool, though if there aren't giant robots towering over the infantry that's kind of lame
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Gaius Marius posted:big post This is making me wanna revisit 00 sometime, haven't seen it since it originally aired and while I remember liking it well enough back then perhaps I wasn't giving it enough credit!
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War and Pieces posted:Question about Victory Gundam, everybody is rightfully worried about the fallout from all these nucular fusion(?) engines blowing up. Was this always a concern in the UC or has it got something to do with the Minovsky 2.0 or is it just a glaring plot hole in early UC? No, the UC doesn't care about cracking a reactor unless the writer feels like they need to wag their fingers about "new killer energy, AM I RIGHT GUYS." Pilots on both sides are blasting away at long distance with wild abandon in every conflict and it's only a very few times (Victory and Unicorn) where anyone expresses concern about it. Whenever someone worries about it there will be an explosion or threat of one, almost always in that same episode, and then it's back to not caring again next episode.
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The League Militaire express concern with it a few times when they return to Earth and are fighting the motorcycle battleships. Specifically that it would contaiminate the Earth if a reactor explodes, though the size of the explosion is mentioned as a concern too. Victory leans harder on the "Earth's environment is totally screwed up by the constant warfare" than any other show though, with people noting fish dying in the oceans en masse as the one that stands out. I believe Uso even sees some mounds of dead fish, and a character gets pretty severe emotional anxiety over living on Earth when everything is decaying too. Susie, I want to say?
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I think it's Susie. It's a pretty explicit plot point because the kids who grew up in the colonies in Victory are disgusted by how Earth smells and the sights of dead fish and other animals. Kasarelia is an oasis because it seems like it's free of most of the pollution that they encounter when they first get to Earth, on top of it being where Uso and Shakti want go because it's home.
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Midjack posted:No, the UC doesn't care about cracking a reactor unless the writer feels like they need to wag their fingers about "new killer energy, AM I RIGHT GUYS." Pilots on both sides are blasting away at long distance with wild abandon in every conflict and it's only a very few times (Victory and Unicorn) where anyone expresses concern about it. Whenever someone worries about it there will be an explosion or threat of one, almost always in that same episode, and then it's back to not caring again next episode. I mean, a Zaku goes off like a bomb in the first episode of Gundam. It's been a thing for a long time. It's just that for most of the shows, including Unicorn if memory serves, it's a nasty but clean explosion that's important because, well, massive explosions near civilian centers are bad. The fallout thing seems to mostly be Victory making everything worse because, you know. Victory. It's a death march.
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Waffleman_ posted:https://twitter.com/WTK/status/1555777762388021248?s=20&t=ER2hdo2ASe8jhwcqoeUR9Q Neat. Meanwhile, I'm still watching Gundam 00. It's a big fight episode, which should be good, but Gundam 00 has abandoned all the things that make big fight episodes interesting. The whole sequence of endless bullshit around the Momento Mori has left every possible military objective meaningless. Anything destroyed will be replaced, any strategy is irrelevant in the face of firepower, and the only things that matter on the hero side are nearly invincible. Where Iron Blooded Orphans uses the extra time from full episode fights to show the pilots needing to refuel (both their suits and themselves), 00 uses it to... have Saji and Louise get into an argument where Saji talks about how Louise needs to get this silly soldier stuff out of her head, because she couldn't have decided to do it on her own. Sure, the show wants to act like it's showing all this insight into the deep philosophical issues, but there's a reason that they say to walk before you can run. It's about buy-in. Evangelion manages to do a great job of selling Shinji, Rei, and Asuka's trauma, so even though all the biblical allusion stuff is just there to look pretty, people feel like it means something, because what people can understand means something. 00 isn't even managing basic things like having cliffhangers better than Radar Men from the Moon. Fail at the basics, and I don't trust you when you aspire to something more complicated.
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I've been slowly growing convinced that Unicorn is the best introductory Gundam series. Old Gundam fans say that it's just a retread of UC stuff, or Banagher is a weak character, or that it's too lore-heavy. Maybe. But none of that changes the fact that's it's extremely cool. https://twitter.com/hosso0407exvs/status/1556510673659924480?s=20&t=r3brsiGNmoPaCUwQe23gEg
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Gripweed posted:I've been slowly growing convinced that Unicorn is the best introductory Gundam series. Old Gundam fans say that it's just a retread of UC stuff, or Banagher is a weak character, or that it's too lore-heavy. Maybe. But none of that changes the fact that's it's extremely cool. Don't forget "too much magic bullshit." That's a common refrain.
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Warmachine posted:Don't forget "too much magic bullshit." That's a common refrain. Quite frankly I would consider filtering out people who can't stand Newtype stuff to be a positive.
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Gripweed posted:Quite frankly I would consider filtering out people who can't stand Newtype stuff to be a positive. I love newtype bullshit, I think the way some people want to excise it from 0079 or praise the ‘90s OVAs for having none of it is wrongheaded at best and totally misses what Gundam was trying to do. Unicorn is still poo poo and it uses “lol newtypes though” as an excuse to avoid trying to resolve anything gracefully.
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For me, Unicorn is mostly fine, except that the conclusion episode is a catastrophic trainwreck with one of the least satisfying protagonist vs antagonist battles that Gundam has ever produced and the big climax/finale is literally a retread of CCA's except way, way, way less good.
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