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Xealot posted:I viewed Jupe as profoundly lacking self-awareness. Like, I don't think he views himself as having been exploited, prefers to maintain the illusion that his TV family was like a real family, that the Gordy incident was some freak accident, that Kid Sheriff is some still-valuable IP that matters and not just a racist relic that tokenized him. The way he speaks about his Gordy museum feels like a desperate attempt to claim ownership over something really horrible that happened to him, to place himself above it all, which I think applies equally to Jupiter's Claim in general. Sure, I'll agree that he might not think of it as his own exploitation but he's a happy participant in the system of corruption and spectacle, and it's because he wants his own little piece of that.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Edit:  Dollars to donuts they were thinking of the exact skit mentioned here when they were making the props. The little details in this film are astounding.
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Well Manicured Man posted:
I remember seeing that skit as a kid and knowing it all felt kind of weird to watch, but not having the emotional maturity to process or explain why. Heaven's Gate, OJ Simpson, Jonbenet Ramsey; the 90s sure had a lot of grotesque tabloid media spectacle emerge around some outright tragic carnage. What a gross, cheap loving country this is!
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SlimGoodbody posted:I remember seeing that skit as a kid and knowing it all felt kind of weird to watch, but not having the emotional maturity to process or explain why. Heaven's Gate, OJ Simpson, Jonbenet Ramsey; the 90s sure had a lot of grotesque tabloid media spectacle emerge around some outright tragic carnage. What a gross, cheap loving country this is! The 90s was very 'History is over, we beat the commies and the nazis and there's no more problems anymore, sexism and racism have gone away, so we can point and laugh at anyone!'
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Aug 6, 2022 11:10
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Yeah Jupe is one of the most interesting characters I've seen on screen for a very long time.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The 90s was very 'History is over, we beat the commies and the nazis and there's no more problems anymore, sexism and racism have gone away, so we can point and laugh at anyone!' "What's that? The people we're all pointing and laughing at are all members of marginalized groups who are still very much suffering from the problems we're claiming are over? Just a coincidence I'm sure, don't think about it."
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Xealot posted:Kid Sheriff Yknow, for a movie that is pretty good about conserving its narrative detail, we never did find out what happened to the black kid from that
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Aug 6, 2022 16:02
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Phy posted:Yknow, for a movie that is pretty good about conserving its narrative detail, we never did find out what happened to the black kid from that Em's question really said it all about 3D.
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Aug 6, 2022 17:08
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Phy posted:Yknow, for a movie that is pretty good about conserving its narrative detail, we never did find out what happened to the black kid from that He’s Nick Cannon now
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Just want to point something out real quick so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle: The life-changing alien experience that Jupe had six months ago was the same life-changing experience that killed OJ and Em's dad and threw everything into disarray. He saw the monster suck up some random dude and decided to buy the show ranch and rebrand it as Jupiter's Claim after he saw the alien. He saw something incredible and decided to stake his fortune on it, risking whatever he had left from his acting career. Whereas for OJ all he saw was of random bits of metal raining from the sky and killing an innocent bystander, the aftermath. (Even Ghost, the most valuable horse on the ranch, got wounded). Also, when I was watching the Otis Senior death scene I imagined that it would be bullets from an Air Force jet that was pursuing the UFO falling uncaringly onto the landscape below. I did not expect a coin on the x-ray.
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Aug 7, 2022 00:19
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That had to be some explosive projectile diarrhea because a nickel falling at terminal velocity would not kill a man
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Steve Yun posted:That had to be some explosive projectile diarrhea because a nickel falling at terminal velocity would not kill a man Even if it hit him in the Eye? vvv Edit: especially if it was a loooong drive from your ranch to the hospital vvv Speleothing fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Aug 7, 2022 |
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Aug 7, 2022 00:36
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It would probably if it hit you in the eyeball edge-on and at an angle to go into your brain.
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Speleothing posted:Just want to point something out real quick so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle: I missed a lot of the dialog in the beginning of the movie due to that drunk guy I mentioned earlier, when does he mention 6 months? I thought in the show right before JJ shows up he says 1 month ago he saw it and he'd been feeding it ever since.
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Yeah, Jupe had been at his chintzy attraction for a while. There were posters for his reality TV season and it seemed like he had bought it because it had been in "Kid Sheriff." I think OJ wouldn't have trusted him enough to sell him horses if he hadn't been at least a familiar face.
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He's been feeding it every Friday night for six months, in an attempt to train it to show up during his shows. Anyway, the line about ownership of the tourist trap changing to Jupiter is super clear when OJ and Em are driving home after the commercial shoot. Ultimately, it's not a huge point. I'll wait until it comes out on streaming to confirm one way or the other. Speleothing fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Aug 7, 2022 |
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Speleothing posted:He's been feeding it every Friday night for six months, in an attempt to train it to show up during his shows.
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Jupe said he made an offer to the dad, so he had to be around before JJ started showing up
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Yeah, I was discussing the timeline with my wife, her memory is Jupiter bought the place 3 years ago and had only been feeding JJ for a few weeks.
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Baron von Eevl posted:It would probably if it hit you in the eyeball edge-on and at an angle to go into your brain. There's a reason the trailer cuts right from him dead in the hospital bed to OJ asking "Is there such a thing as a bad miracle?"
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So something I wasn't clear on was does Jupe actually know that JJ is an animal or is he legitimately convinced that its an alien spacecraft.
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He refers to The Viewers, plural, he thinks there's either a bunch of them or more likely that it's a ship.
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AnEdgelord posted:So something I wasn't clear on was does Jupe actually know that JJ is an animal or is he legitimately convinced that its an alien spacecraft.
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jasoneatspizza posted:Jupe said he made an offer to the dad, so he had to be around before JJ started showing up My reading was the the first thing JJ ate was the hikers who got lost, which is what Jupe witnessed. It was their keys and coins that killed the dad. After the dad died, Jupe started buying the horses from OJ to feed to JJ to see if he could tame it. Jupe fed each of the horses he bought from OJ to JJ, including on the night that OJ witnessed which was the first rehearsal of the show. After the successful rehearsal that night, Jupe put together a friends and family show. That's it. He wouldn't have been feeding JJ every week for 6 months because what would he be feeding it? That would be 24 horses, which at the prices they were talking would be ludicrously expensive, and the ranch didn't seem to have nearly that many horses to begin with.
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AnEdgelord posted:So something I wasn't clear on was does Jupe actually know that JJ is an animal or is he legitimately convinced that its an alien spacecraft. Yeah he thinks it's a spacecraft and only realizes too late what it really is.
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Heliotrope posted:Yeah he thinks it's a spacecraft and only realizes too late what it really is. I'm not so sure. When OJ asks about getting the horses back, Jupe's reaction seemed to me to imply that he knew they were dead and not coming back. He thought the audience would be safe because he was never taken either, assuming that JJ was satiated by the horse meal. Which makes it even more clear how he didn't learn his lesson from Gordy, because the audience was hosed there, too. You may be right, but I think both interpretation could be valid.
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feedmyleg posted:I'm not so sure. When OJ asks about getting the horses back, Jupe's reaction seemed to me to imply that he knew they were dead and not coming back. He thought the audience would be safe because he was never taken either, assuming that JJ was satiated by the horse meal. Which makes it even more clear how he didn't learn his lesson from Gordy, because the audience was hosed there, too. He could also just be thinking the 'Viewers' probably aren't giving the horses back for whatever reason- maybe he thinks they ARE eating them. Or taking them back to their home planet or whatever. Either way though, he's clearly assuming far more sentience and nuance to what the UFO is doing than what it actually has- much like he might assume as a child, much like the audience, that Gordy really is a sentient being or close enough to it rather than a trained animal made to perform and presented in specific ways to create the illusion of it. Though either way it's clear he really isn't thinking rationally about things, and both his preconceptions and his trauma are colouring his thought processes.
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feedmyleg posted:My reading was the the first thing JJ ate was the hikers who got lost, which is what Jupe witnessed. It was their keys and coins that killed the dad. After the dad died, Jupe started buying the horses from OJ to feed to JJ to see if he could tame it. Jupe fed each of the horses he bought from OJ to JJ, including on the night that OJ witnessed which was the first rehearsal of the show. After the successful rehearsal that night, Jupe put together a friends and family show. That's it. Having just left a second viewing (The Run Urban Legend is amazing) Jupe has a spiel about JJ taking a horse (Trigger) and that's how he started leaning in on feeding JJ. After 3 years of owning a western tourist park and being willing to buy the Haywood ranch from Otis Sr, Jupe would have a stable of horses or other sellers beyond the Haywoods to fund the 6 months of routine horse-death. A horse in an arena was taken, so he kept rehearsing that moment at 6:13. Rather than going "what if I gave them a horse" after seeing the hikers swept up.
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Baron von Eevl posted:It would probably if it hit you in the eyeball edge-on and at an angle to go into your brain. Maybe, but right before that happened, other indigestible stuff was hitting the ground with enough force to make bullet-like dust impacts. And later on when JJ is directly over the house after eating the crowd, it spits their coins and keys out with enough force to get embedded in the wooden porch steps.
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I feel like whatever a nickel's terminal velocity is, it's gonna hit that when falling from cloud-height regardless of whether it's spat-out or dropped.
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Imagine, if you will, the difference between dropping a cherry pit from shoulder height, and spitting it out.
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Presumably the same force that was applied to draw large objects up was also being used to expel them down, rather than just passive discharge. There ya go
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Aug 7, 2022 20:53
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Who gives a poo poo. The nickel in the eye death was dope.
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JJ shot it out of his butt like a bullet. What's the mystery?
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LesterGroans posted:Who gives a poo poo. The nickel in the eye death was dope. The nickel in the eye death happened because somebody gave a poo poo
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Steve Yun posted:The nickel in the eye death happened because somebody gave a poo poo Yeah, and it was dope.
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Speleothing posted:Imagine, if you will, the difference between dropping a cherry pit from shoulder height, and spitting it out. After finding some weirdo's calculations and doing some napkin math a nickel's terminal velocity is about 32mph and it hits this after about 35 feet of free fall. If it's falling from so high that JJ was hidden in a cloud it doesn't matter if you shot it out of a cannon or dropped it, air resistance is going to slow it down to 32mph quickly. Nessus posted:Presumably the same force that was applied to draw large objects up was also being used to expel them down, rather than just passive discharge. There ya go I'll buy that. Either way if it hits edge on that could easily go through your eyeball.
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An 11 K horse each show? The economics just don't make sense!
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Just got back. When we saw the crowd getting sucked through the digestive tract, was that the kids’ mask stuck in the beast’s craw, or a closeup of its gribbly insides that coincidentally kinda look like the mask? At the end, I wonder what the pulsating square parachute structure was trying to convey. It reminded me of a color-changing cephalopod, or a dance of a fancy tropical bird. Was it afraid? Angry? …horny? Fake edit: It’s like it was agitated and was trying to make itself look big to scare off a predator. Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Aug 7, 2022 |
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