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i quite like leibnitz taking the discovery of cells and subcellular structures and just running with it into a wonderfully insane world of infinitely small psychoparticles containing all the information about everything in the world
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Aug 10, 2022 01:08
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ehn never read him but I dig how much monad sounds like gonad
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Aug 10, 2022 01:14
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imagine you discover calculus and get carried away enough that you base your entire ontology on it. he discovered calculus and observed an empirical tendency towards atomism and decided to make differential equations: the world view. being extremely smart he managed to make it decently coherent, but with today's eyes it all seems quite mad. lots of treating infinities as this fun new cognitive toy which you can just casually use for stuff. it's delightful.
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Aug 10, 2022 01:39
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V. Illych L. posted:there's been a fair amount of very astute japanese marxist theoreticians through the years who get very little attention in the west. I was impressed with Akira Matsumoto, who is very generous with his time -- just straight up sending papers to this random foreigner emailing him, then following up later to see if there were any questions etc. Cool guy. gradenko_2000 posted:the tendency for the rate of profit to fall is a tendency. the fact that it does not fall all the time does not disprove the theory Yeah. In abstract terms, the tendency is really unavoidable, even without getting into the Marxist jargon that I love so well. We're basically talking about a discrete, dynamic system where each period we measure the the ratio of X, a flow (i.e., profit), against Y, a stock (i.e., capital). You may already see where this is going. Either way: Each period, Y grows on the basis of some percentage of the previous period's X, which is to say Xt-1. Accordingly, we can suppose that if X is constant and the rate of accumulation is positive, then (lim t->inf) X/Y = 0. But of course X isn't constant; it changes on the basis of a bunch of factors. Maybe X/Y increases occasionally when X grows faster than Y, BUT the faster X grows, the faster, accordingly, that Y grows at t+1. Yet X has concrete limits to its growth -- there are only so many hours in a day to work, only so many people available to do the work, and only so much intensity that they can bring to bear physically. There are maxima that are in principle reachable at the limits of what either the human body or the social fabric can bear, and even if we assume the capitalists get Everything They Want and function along that peak of 24/7 work at maximum intensity uninterrupted for years, then in that "best-case" situation you still have... a constant numerator and a growing denominator. X/Y falls. Oops! I left out depreciation, which is another factor tempering Y; you could theorize that depreciation exactly equals accumulation such that X/Y is invariant at t+1, but there are a bunch of other reasons that this theoretical steady-state capitalism cannot exist, starting with the simple fact that Shareholders Demand Growth; kiss investment goodbye. You'd need a planned economy to make it happen, and if you're going that far you may as well program in some drat breaks. Oh, right, and worker population growth, that's another important factor. Life is complicated, but the need for infinite growth is going to break the finite system sooner or later. Aeolius has issued a correction as of 02:53 on Aug 10, 2022 |
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Aug 10, 2022 02:40
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"socially necessary labor" does not refer to necessities vs. luxuries, like that building a house is socially necessary but filming a movie isn't. rather, "socially necessary" as pertains to the theory of value refers to the minimum cost in time, resources, training, etc. to produce... something, anything. so like before chainsaws are invented, felling a tree takes on average X hours, but after chainsaws are invented, felling a tree takes on average X-Y hours. you can take longer if you want, but lumber is going to sell proportionate to X-Y, not X, no matter how slow you are at getting itF Stop Fitzgerald posted:it sucks that most westerners thinks stalin is tied with hitler for historys greatest monster because his writing is incredibly accessible, digestible and just plain fun to read. Foundations of Leninism is a perfect entry text but good luck not freaking out the squares by recommending it stalin's a really incredible writer and speaker. one of my favorite short texts to recommend to people is his interview with h.g. wells, which clearly outlines what makes marxism different from generic fuzzy-feelings progressivism
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Aug 10, 2022 03:53
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i will be in charge of determining socially necessary labor for anime appraisal after the revolution. i'm thinking 2 hours per episode
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Aug 10, 2022 04:36
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tokin opposition posted:i will be in charge of determining socially necessary labor for anime appraisal after the revolution. i'm thinking 2 hours per episode no simple task to determine the social mean. first, we must discuss, as a society, what constitutes the skill and competency of an anime appraiser. we want quality takes that provide a social benefit, be either through legit skilled commentary on its aesthetic merits and artistic construction, effort, advancement etc or through spectacularly amazing hot takes that are funny af to behold and thus provide quality entertainment to the proletariat. once we have a solid idea about the savoir-faire of the process, the know-how, we can thus determine who can be an anime appraiser in the revolutionary society. a workers' forum for that profession is then established, which can determine this very important question: how much time does the anime appraiser need to provide their critique and presentation to the people
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Aug 10, 2022 04:49
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:it sucks that most westerners thinks stalin is tied with hitler for historys greatest monster because his writing is incredibly accessible, digestible and just plain fun to read. Foundations of Leninism is a perfect entry text but good luck not freaking out the squares by recommending it Yeah this And Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR Extremely easy to read, both of them, but if you mention its author good luck getting Mr or Ms "well i don't like how things are but i can't imagine subverting democracy" to give a poo poo I sent my grandmother a copy of foundations of Leninism and she had no complaints (asked me who the author was afterwards)
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Aug 10, 2022 04:57
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HiroProtagonist posted:Yeah this georgian philosopher i. jugashvili
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Aug 10, 2022 05:08
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Falstaff posted:This is where the forbidden Losurdo comes in. Wait is the Losurdo book considered good? I assumed a book about an Italian calling a Georgian a black legend was being mentioned as a joke
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Aug 10, 2022 05:25
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unwantedplatypus posted:I mean, is it not true that he killed a lot of people, even if you subtract the nazis and reactionaries. he should have subtracted more nazis and reactionaries than he did imo
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Aug 10, 2022 05:32
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unwantedplatypus posted:Wait is the Losurdo book considered good? I assumed a book about an Italian calling a Georgian a black legend was being mentioned as a joke "black" as in "dark, evil", as in "the legend of Stalin has been one big anticommunist smear campaign", not black as in black-skinned even though, yes, Stalin is as brown as the Georgian earth
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Aug 10, 2022 05:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:"black" as in "dark, evil", as in "the legend of Stalin has been one big anticommunist smear campaign", not black as in black-skinned Oooh, lmao
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Aug 10, 2022 05:45
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Ferrinus posted:georgian philosopher i. jugashvili 
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Aug 10, 2022 09:39
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gradenko_2000 posted:"black" as in "dark, evil", as in "the legend of Stalin has been one big anticommunist smear campaign", not black as in black-skinned This, it's a callback to a thing among early new world colonizers in which Spain was painted with a so-called "Black Legend" to make them up to be more evil than other colonial powers in the new world. England, France, the Dutch, etc., all pointed fingers at Spain as being especially brutal* to indigenous populations in their colonial ventures, using a double-standards, cherry-picking, and outright fabrications to harm Spain's reputation among other powers - which Spain would always try to point out, to little avail. I guess you could say it was an early example of whataboutism. * Make no mistake, Spain was absolutely horribly brutal, but so was every other colonial power operating at that time.
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Aug 10, 2022 11:39
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this was one in a series of joke covers, my favorite ones are mao's combat liberalism made to look like a generic right wing book
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Aug 10, 2022 12:23
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Doktor Avalanche posted:this was one in a series of joke covers, my favorite ones are mao's combat liberalism made to look like a generic right wing book 
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Aug 10, 2022 12:25
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the existence/rise of patsoc reactionaries have made this less funny to me and that makes me sad
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Aug 10, 2022 12:45
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:the existence/rise of patsoc reactionaries have made this less funny to me and that makes me sad you can find at least 10 online weirdos for every micro tendency, nothing to get depressed about
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Aug 10, 2022 13:51
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this owns 
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Aug 10, 2022 14:15
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:the existence/rise of patsoc reactionaries have made this less funny to me and that makes me sad Why? There are primarily on the internet and if they ever gather in groups everyone makes fun of them.
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Aug 10, 2022 14:21
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interesting context if that Stalin interview with wells is that is happened between the night of the long knives and the nazi coup of Dollfuss which happened the next day iirc (two days later actually ). He knew what was coming .
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Aug 10, 2022 14:28
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euphronius posted:interesting context if that Stalin interview with wells is that is happened between the night of the long knives and the nazi coup of Dollfuss which happened the next day iirc (two days later actually ). Famously in the "Tasks of Business Executives" speech with the excellent troll cover above - which he gave in 1931 - Stalin predicted that they had a decade to sufficiently industrialize or they would be defeated by capitalist invaders. quote:In the past we had no fatherland, nor could we have had one. But now that we have overthrown capitalism and power is in our hands, in the hands of the people, we have a fatherland, and we will uphold its independence. Do you want our socialist fatherland to be beaten and to lose its independence? If you do not want this, you must put an end to its backwardness in the shortest possible time and develop a genuine Bolshevik tempo in building up its socialist economy. There is no other way. That is why Lenin said on the eve of the October Revolution: "Either perish, or overtake and outstrip the advanced capitalist countries." We are fifty or a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or we shall go under.
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Aug 10, 2022 14:37
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mila kunis posted:as i said, i've read both volumes one and two. they have fantastic insights and ideas and a deluge of facts and arguments that are good, but are either poorly written or archaic by modern standards, pick your flavour of criticism. I think it was the IWW's Bill Haywood who said something along the lines of "I haven't read Capital, but i've got the marks of capital all over my body". I agree with him in that I don't think your average worker needs to read theory to understand the forces of capital. I think they should theory because it will solidify their understanding of the classes. At some point though you need to put your theory to practice, and I agree with Brace's take on the recent Chapo about people who read too much theory.
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Aug 10, 2022 14:50
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Brace's take on the recent Chapo about people who read too much theory. care to share with the rest of the class, who arent as podcast brained?
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Aug 10, 2022 14:55
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Its a fine balance to strike, but at least personally, I wouldn't be active in the work I do presently without burying my head in capital+texts from Lenin, Luxembourg, mao etc. Most people don't have the time or interest for it, but for any that do, you ought to do whatever you can to live that theory as an example and trust that the practice your doing will attract more people to engage with it and proselytize. When I first started reading marx though my blood started boiling at the decades of academic Marxists in the west who just use these texts to talk poo poo about different tendencies in Journals or whatever. Absolute self centered buffoons. How is that the lesson you drew from this history??
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Aug 10, 2022 14:55
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mila kunis posted:you can find at least 10 online weirdos for every micro tendency, nothing to get depressed about it could be some place better, or some place worse
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Aug 10, 2022 14:56
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fart simpson posted:care to share with the rest of the class, who arent as podcast brained? no
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Aug 10, 2022 14:57
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i've realized there is a fine line between LARP and a dangerous cult, but i think the people on the internet who try to kluge together some hybrid ideology like "patriotic socialism" or "national anarchism" or "strasserism" tend to be very young people who think they're geniuses -- like "eureka!" -- while actually being in a transition stage on their magic ideological journey to someplace else where they'll be six months from now this is what happens when kids don't go through a gently caress YOU DAD anarchist phase
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Aug 10, 2022 14:57
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Aug 10, 2022 14:57
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Azathoth posted:this is what happens when kids don't go through a gently caress YOU DAD anarchist phase
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Aug 10, 2022 14:59
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Here's Brace talking it, but he basically asks people to be normal. What he's talking about is a very online leftist who is well read, but just has a hard time interacting with people. I'm sure you've seen it on CSPAM or twitter, just strange interactions that probably wouldn't happen in the real world.
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Aug 10, 2022 15:02
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i think how much theory a person needs to read depends on how many marks of capital they have on their body. i.e., it's difficult to see a trajectory where a petit bourgeois or bourgeois person turns class traitor that doesn't involve reading large amounts of theory, but it's easy enough to see how a working class person can work the forces of capital and classes out without reading theory at all.
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Aug 10, 2022 15:05
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Unfortunately I've also seen those people in the real world lol. They mean good I guess.
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Aug 10, 2022 15:06
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Here's Brace talking it, but he basically asks people to be normal. noted theory readers black hammer boy rich podcasters sure do love telling people not to read theory
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Aug 10, 2022 15:07
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the stunning insight that yelling about anne frank being a colonizing piece of poo poo turns away the non-insane
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Aug 10, 2022 15:10
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i've realized there is a fine line between LARP and a dangerous cult, but i think the people on the internet who try to kluge together some hybrid ideology like "patriotic socialism" or "national anarchism" or "strasserism" tend to be very young people who think they're geniuses -- like "eureka!" -- while actually being in a transition stage on their magic ideological journey to someplace else where they'll be six months from now
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Aug 10, 2022 15:10
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In Training posted:Unfortunately I've also seen those people in the real world lol. They mean good I guess. It always leaks out lol. A friend of mine tried using the word "binch" while we were playing games and got laughed at by the people who aren't terminally online as him. Raskolnikov38 posted:noted theory readers black hammer Did you listen to his the clip at the time stamp? He doesn't say this at all.
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Aug 10, 2022 15:11
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Did you listen to his the clip at the time stamp? He doesn't say this at all. he's talking about gazi and "being normal". if theres something beyond 2-3 minutes you wanted listened to, i missed it
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Aug 10, 2022 15:14
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Opps my time stamp was off by a minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTxaNeUYA9c&t=3669s Around 1:01:09 is when he starts talking about what I am saying.
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