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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:. Indeed. Given the mention of passports and flight risk and so forth, I guess I was assuming we were talking about him taking off from Florida and landing in Russia or Saudi or wherever where they'd bend the rules for him and wouldn't care. Guess I should have been more clear.
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Madkal posted:The only thing I can think of is do people in government get new passports to indicate they are in the government ie would the president have the same kind of passport as a regular citizen of the USA? They (meaning former politicians) do, and he might be required to have both, if he were flying for official reasons. As a former president, it stands to reason that he has a diplomatic passport. It's not likely Biden would actually use him, but, whatever.
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Madkal posted:The only thing I can think of is do people in government get new passports to indicate they are in the government ie would the president have the same kind of passport as a regular citizen of the USA? They sometimes do issue diplomatic passports, but only when you are staff who are traveling on official business. They also are deactivated upon leaving service. I don't think the President is considered staff and, even if he was, it wouldn't be active anymore now. He said he had 3 passports seized and 2 were active. Maybe he got State Department permission for a second passport. It's not illegal or anything, but there just isn't really any reason for him to go through the process of getting a second one. Mayne he just wanted two for kicks and the State Department wasn't going to deny the request of a former President?
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Madkal posted:The only thing I can think of is do people in government get new passports to indicate they are in the government ie would the president have the same kind of passport as a regular citizen of the USA? Yes, there are government specific passports, I've got a regular passport and a federal employee passport. Trump is not part of the US Government at this point so he shouldn't have one though unless former POTUS' have different rules regarding that, and they might. Edit: Beaten multiple times.
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Madkal posted:The only thing I can think of is do people in government get new passports to indicate they are in the government ie would the president have the same kind of passport as a regular citizen of the USA? Members of the Government can get a red passport for official travel. Obviously it's not clear if that's what he has and if it should have already been surrendered.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes. You still need to get your passport stamped and go through customs if you are travelling internationally. It doesn't matter what type of plane you are on. Not always. And not always on ships or boats either. I entered a shocking number of countries without getting a passport stamped when I was a cadet. The further off the main ways of entry the more common. Getting off a cruise ship yeah they’re going to check each you each time. Boarding a supply launch from a vessel that stays at anchor for a month and never actually berths.... sometimes nothing. The reporting on wealth managers commonly has “no pass port needed” anecdotes about the super rich. But Trump’s not really part of that class.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I'm wondering why he had three passports. He probably had a federal official passport (brown/red cover)
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Another reason a person could acquire a second passport is frequent travel causing conflicts with renewing or acquiring Visas. If your passport is tied up one place and you need to go somewhere else fast, the State department sometimes will see fit to grant you a limited passport for that immediate travel.
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Aug 15, 2022 19:45
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Kalli posted:I mean if Trump is ready to flee the country then isn't it better if he does? The odds of justice being served by the American justice system seems so astronomically low him spending the rest of his days doing tv spots with Steven Seagal in Russia sounds a hell of a lot better of an option for america politically then what will likely happen if he just rides it out being Trump. Unfortunately he was exposed to lots of sensitive information when he was President (whether he retained any of it or not), so I don't think letting him toddle off to Russia is a great idea.
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aw frig aw dang it posted:Unfortunately he was exposed to lots of sensitive information when he was President (whether he retained any of it or not), so I don't think letting him toddle off to Russia is a great idea. Depends on if we can get him to invite a bunch of his closest followers to follow him to set up "Real America" in exile...
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NomNomNom posted:He probably had a federal official passport (brown/red cover) It wouldn't be active anymore, though. I doubt there is anything suspicious about the three passports. It's just that none of the reasons they issue a second active passport apply to Trump and it doesn't really make sense for him to get one. The simplest and most likely answer is that he just asked for one and they weren't going to tell him no. Not sure why the FBI decided to seize all three of them either.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Yes or they might go “lmao, gently caress it and gently caress Gallup” and self exclude. The chance that they do this at a statistically-significantly higher rate than their women peers seems very unlikely
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Randalor posted:Oh, okay. So in theory he could still be a flight risk, but he would have to be able to find a place to land that is both in range of his plane and also willing to piss off the US by aiding and abetting someone who just fled the US because they were being investigated for espionage? So basically, by taking his passports, the FBI made sure he couldn't run far? I wonder about that, if you make a landing at an international airport for refueling or changing plane aren't you already accepted as long as you stay in the controlled area? Technically you are not entering the country. I have been to Heathrow but I have never entered UK.
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Iran says the U.S. accepted two of its remaining demands and they will "deliver the final response" to the proposal to re-enter the nuclear deal by midnight tonight. Some Iranian diplomats told Reuters that they are not likely to reject the deal, but they may accept "conditionally" and request that three additional demands be negotiated before final acceptance. https://www.reuters.com/world/middl..._source=twitter Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Aug 15, 2022 |
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Velocity Raptor posted:Rand Paul put out a statement that he feels that the Espionage Act is an affront to the 1st Amendment and should be done away with. I'm sure this has no relation to any potential current events that may or may not have happened. Same guy? https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/309442958208405505
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some great data on Drone strikes year to year, and how Biden has significantly ramped down the use of drone strikes. https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1559257494341488644
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Randalor posted:Honest question, if you're travelling by your own plane to another country, do you still have to present your passport at the US airport? I thought he owned at least one plane he bragged about, but I'm not sure of the laws regarding air travel via your own personal aircraft. On a related note, when you take delivery of your own commercial airliner (either for commercial or private service), you have to go through TSA screening before you can fly on your own plane.
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Papercut posted:The chance that they do this at a statistically-significantly higher rate than their women peers seems very unlikely Eh some of the spaces that would do exactly that do swing more male.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:some great data on Drone strikes year to year, and how Biden has significantly ramped down the use of drone strikes. But, since Biden only has one drone strike in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Syria and that one was a pretty big "uh-oh," then technically he has a 100% failure rate with drone strikes in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Whereas, Trump's 16,427 strikes in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Syria have a much more respectable sub-10% civilian casualty rate.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:some great data on Drone strikes year to year, and how Biden has significantly ramped down the use of drone strikes. Although, the Trump Admin just stopped reporting drone strike figures... so how accurate are those numbers?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:But, since Biden only has one drone strike in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Syria and that one was a pretty big "uh-oh," then technically he has a 100% failure rate with drone strikes in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Thanks, this is good news. They are including both strikes reported by the US and adversaries, and there are even a few charts that have them broken down by that metric.
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Solkanar512 posted:On a related note, when you take delivery of your own commercial airliner (either for commercial or private service), you have to go through TSA screening before you can fly on your own plane. That's mostly because there is functionaly no difference between a incendiary cruse missile and a fully fueled jetliner. Meanwhile prop aircraft are a civic with wings and a few Jerry cans of extra fuel.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Thanks, this is good news. a lot of strikes were counted by ngos and other groups that would just keep a tally whenever a missile would fall out of the sky and there'd be scraps of missile everywhere with english on it. so it was never very hard to track them on an absolute level.
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I wonder if the new sealed things are related to this? https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1559282760984006658?t=74V3v3gKOqbtZl1fBGmKzA&s=19 And on that note does trump have the affidavit? cr0y fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Aug 15, 2022 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I don't think the President is considered staff and, even if he was, it wouldn't be active anymore now. It's also possible he's not telling the truth or is confused about his passport statuses.
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Epicurius posted:It's also possible he's not telling the truth or is confused about his passport statuses. Or they didn't take them at all and he's just stoking flames. These people say absolutely anything they want regardless of how devoid of fact it is. Just like gym Jordan saying 15 FBI whistleblowers have approached him about the deep state or whatever.
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cr0y posted:Or they didn't take them at all and he's just stoking flames. This is true. I mean, I know it's hard to believe since Trump is such an honest and reliable individual, but....
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cr0y posted:I wonder if the new sealed things are related to this? No. He wants it because it will identify which people around him talked to the FBI.
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Another option would be a non US passport, there are several countries that grant citizenship if you invest enough.
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imo the passports are by far the least salacious detail of the entire thing, unless they were, like, in a box with a bunch of cash and stuff marked ts/sci
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Herstory Begins Now posted:imo the passports are by far the least salacious detail of the entire thing, unless they were, like, in a box with a bunch of cash and stuff marked ts/sci Inside the safe and off to the side were a bunch of nuclear codes sticking haphazardly out of a carryon labled "bug out bag". The passports were in there, naturally.
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The Gov doesn't take your extra passport, or at least the never took my extra Peace Corps passport after I was done. I could still travel with it and everything. I imagine Trump had an extra for being the PRES, and kept it.
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borkencode posted:Another option would be a non US passport, there are several countries that grant citizenship if you invest enough. I think along the line Trump having citizenship in another country would have been an issue before this.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:a lot of strikes were counted by ngos and other groups that would just keep a tally whenever a missile would fall out of the sky and there'd be scraps of missile everywhere with english on it. so it was never very hard to track them on an absolute level. This bears repeating when you're talking about the US bombing foreigners--the US doesn't try to disguise where the bombs are coming from. We want the survivors to know we did it and that there's more where that came from, and that they could be next Third parties tallying them up is kind of trivial in light of that
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GoutPatrol posted:I think along the line Trump having citizenship in another country would have been an issue before this. More's the pity, since Trump having been secretly born in Kenya would really complete the perfect projection record we've been seeing.
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Feds are denying that they took the passports https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell/status/1559312970173259784?s=20&t=9UWtGwj5SZF0RG43I0_qcw Typically they aren't going to do that without a court order
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FlamingLiberal posted:Feds are denying that they took the passports Well, now we know why his claim that he had three passports and the FBI seized all of them made no sense.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Feds are denying that they took the passports Called it
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How I assume it went down,quote:Trump: Where's my passport!
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