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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:this poo poo is so funny when the "innovation" is in large part "make it so you die in a crash" Wasn't there a lot of electric Chinese golf carts sold as cars in the us for a bit? It was an explosion of weird named aliexpress coffins on YouTubers for a while.
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eeenmachine posted:How is it even legal to drive anything lighter than an F150 on the same roads? We would probably save a lot of lives with a minimum vehicle weight and requiring four wheels. gently caress safety standards am i right?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:gently caress safety standards am i right? The safety of the driver is paramount, gently caress everyone else, they should also be driving a big heavy box.
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marshmonkey posted:The safety of the driver is paramount, gently caress everyone else, they should also be driving a big heavy box. Agreed
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marshmonkey posted:The safety of the driver is paramount, gently caress everyone else, they should also be driving a big heavy box. We call these trains and busses and yes everyone should be using them
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marshmonkey posted:We are so doomed Bury me in my Hummer EV
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marshmonkey posted:The safety of the driver is paramount, gently caress everyone else, they should also be driving a big heavy box. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3MttgvHUY
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marshmonkey posted:The safety of the driver is paramount, gently caress everyone else, they should also be driving a big heavy box. it's not like an Aptera won't gently caress up a pedestrian or bicyclist just as easily
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it's not like an Aptera won't gently caress up a pedestrian or bicyclist just as easily You realize the number of traffic deaths soaring is directly related to increasingly heavier cars being shaped like bricks with hood heights approaching shoulder level right? I know the facts exited the chat a long time ago, but c’mon.
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We’re going to need to find some live children for a test. If the Tesla stans can do it so can we. Edit: How many kids were they able to sit in front of that lady’s SUV before she could see one again? That test sounds safer. eeenmachine fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Aug 19, 2022 |
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marshmonkey posted:You realize the number of traffic deaths soaring is directly related to increasingly heavier cars being shaped like bricks with hood heights approaching shoulder level right? I know the facts exited the chat a long time ago, but c’mon. Larger and heavier vehicles are changing pedestrian injuries (more head and thorax which are obviously bad - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3256841/) but that certainly isn't sufficient to account for increases in (absolute) traffic deaths in the US. Like is the contention based on this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/08/17/traffic-deaths-us-roads/ that vehicles got heavier and bigger between 14-16, then did not between 2016 and 2020, before getting heavier and bigger again in the last two years? There are very clearly a lot of other factors at play here. Fatality rates (which are much more useful than absolute data) are way, way up since the pandemic and there is no way you can explain that due to vehicle mix because the mix has not changed all that significantly in two years.
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marshmonkey posted:You realize the number of traffic deaths soaring is directly related to increasingly heavier cars being shaped like bricks with hood heights approaching shoulder level right? I know the facts exited the chat a long time ago, but c’mon. sorry people are skeptical of your science experiment
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:sorry people are skeptical of your science experiment Thanks 🙏
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Pedestrians should really try to avoid being in front of any fast moving vehicle, especially Teslas and motorcycles made out of knife edges
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Larger and heavier vehicles are changing pedestrian injuries (more head and thorax which are obviously bad - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3256841/) but that certainly isn't sufficient to account for increases in (absolute) traffic deaths in the US. Pretty sure a cyclist or a pedestrian is going to roll right off of something shaped like an Aptera. If there are any cyclists in the thread we could ask them which they would rather get hit by.
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If I bought and took ownership of my EV6 in March, will I be able to get the 7.5k tax credit even if I make over 300k joint?
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I am massively confused by the new EV tax credit and how it impacts my plans to maybe buy a Model 3 LR, or an Ioniq 6 if it comes out soon enough. Or maybe a Polestar idk. Here's an article listing all the current models that are eligible, or will be eligible as of 1/1/2023, for anything that already hit the old tax credit's sales cap. https://electrek.co/2022/08/16/ev-tax-credit-list-of-cars-eligible-7500-inflation-reduction-act/ If you want to buy in 2022, there aren't many options. Hope you want a PHEV, Mach-E, or a Leaf. When 2023 starts, Teslas and GM cars become eligible, so that'll expand your options. Notably, no Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars are eligible in the foreseeable future. Even though some of their cars are assembled in the US (there's an Ioniq 5 factory two hours from where I live), their batteries are made in Korea, so they're not eligible until the companies can spin up new battery plants here. I get that the new tax credit is a good thing overall, but it effectively made the car I was planning to buy next year cost $7500 more, and the "all or nothing" MSRP cap sucks if you want a higher-end (but not luxury) EV sedan. Now I may "settle" for a Bolt or Mach-E. Not bad cars, but... not what I wanted. Edit: Well, I assume that article is accurate. It lists the Mercedes EQS, which starts at an MSRP over $100k, so it definitely won't meet even the SUV/truck price cap. Chin Strap posted:If I bought and took ownership of my EV6 in March, will I be able to get the 7.5k tax credit even if I make over 300k joint? WhiteHowler fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Aug 19, 2022 |
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marshmonkey posted:Pretty sure a cyclist or a pedestrian is going to roll right off of something shaped like an Aptera. If there are any cyclists in the thread we could ask them which they would rather get hit by. talk about facts leaving the thread jesus christ
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Automotive Insanity is probably the most well adjusted, sane and inhabited by relatively normal people who are mostly a bunch of Dads talking poo poo on the Internet of all the forums on SA. Oh I totally agree and I focus that same energy on PVC figures of Godzilla so I'm crazier than a shithouse buzzard, so I should know. edit: Happy Noodle Boy posted:We call these trains and busses and yes everyone should be using them 
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Whenever a motor vehicle finally removes me from this bleak existence I hope they at least have to visit a body shop.
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Need more EV busses, now. Rode an electric trolley the other day and it was amazing how quiet it was when stopped. The cabin is still a big bucket of bolts that rattles horribly over bumps, but what are you gonna do.
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eeenmachine posted:Whenever a motor vehicle finally removes me from this bleak existence I hope they at least have to visit a body shop. You do have some control over that
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WhiteHowler posted:Notably, no Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars are eligible in the foreseeable future. Even though some of their cars are assembled in the US (there's an Ioniq 5 factory two hours from where I live), their batteries are made in Korea, so they're not eligible until the companies can spin up new battery plants here. I believe they battery issue only applies to half of the credit and they should be eligible for the assembly credit. And I believe the battery issue is kind of at the discretion of the Department of Transportation, I've heard several places say the believe the rule is going to be very lax as far as what counts at first and then tighten as companies have time to ramp up production that is more in keeping with the spirit of the law.
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Kia Soul Enthusias posted:Need more EV busses, now. Rode an electric trolley the other day and it was amazing how quiet it was when stopped. The cabin is still a big bucket of bolts that rattles horribly over bumps, but what are you gonna do. A great deal of San Francisco's buses have been electric for decades- but they are powered by overhead wiring so they are technically trolleys, just not on tracks. edit: lol I just remembered when someone did this a few years back 
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Tiny Timbs posted:You do have some control over that Walking and riding my bike is worth a warrior’s death.
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mobby_6kl posted:Light, aerodynamic car --> high efficiency. They claim that range scales linearly with battery size which doesn’t make any sense if you think that weight is a critical determinant of range. They claim 250 miles for the 25kWh pack and 1000 miles for the 100kWh pack. A 25kWh pack will weigh about 156kg while a 100kWh pack will weigh about 625kg (using the Ioniq 5 pack weight as an estimator). They claim the 60kWh version will weigh about 820kg of which -375kg would be battery. That would put the 100kWh version at 1070kg and the 25kWh version at 601kg. So the despite being nearly twice the weight the heavier model is equally efficient. Those numbers only make sense if they’re giving the range at a constant and relatively high speed where the power required to keep the car moving is negligible vs drag. But they would need it to be about 2.5 times as efficient as on the highway as the most efficient EVs currently out there for that to be achievable and their stated Cd of .13 isn’t that much of an improvement over the .2 on the Lucid Air. The car is also wide and tall to the frontal area isn’t insignificant. An electric motorcycle has a much worse Cd but a much smaller frontal area and those don’t get anywhere near 10mi/kWh. Even if it were possible in ideal conditions stacking efficiency like that means that range absolutely tanks in less than perfect conditions. Rain, snow, winds, under-inflated tires, elevation, higher air density, etc will all have an outsized effect.
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quote:But they would need it to be about 2.5 times as efficient as on the highway as the most efficient EVs currently out there for that to be achievable and their stated Cd of .13 isn’t that much of an improvement over the .2 on the Lucid Air. Isn’t that a pretty big difference? I don’t think that value works on a linear scale, like .1 would be much more than twice as efficient as .2 would be. They have put so much design work into getting that number it seems crazy to me that they just didn’t check their math. Anyway, I’m really interested to see how their designing for efficiency first and foremost pans out. I know the numbers seem unbelievable, surprisingly shows like fully charged seem to take them at face value. They have been showing the car to every YouTuber and media outlet that will come visit the factory and say they plan to have a line installed by the end of the year with the first production car next year, so hopefully we won’t have to argue about how physics works for too much longer. I’m hoping I get invited to some sort of tour event or meet up for being a reservation holder at some point.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:edit: lol I just remembered when someone did this a few years back They were just trying to get back to 1985.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Pedestrians should really try to avoid being in front of any fast moving vehicle, especially Teslas and motorcycles made out of knife edges gently caress it let’s make carmageddon real life
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marshmonkey posted:Isn’t that a pretty big difference? I don’t think that value works on a linear scale, like .1 would be much more than twice as efficient as .2 would be. Drag force scales linearly with coefficient of drag and surface area. I’m sure you can make the math work out if you make a bunch of extremely optimistic assumptions about the efficiency of your drive train, external conditions, etc. Even then I’m skeptical of the .13 claim since their first test models used cameras instead of mirrors because large mirrors kill aerodynamics. But cameras still aren’t approved for use in the US as mirror replacements.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Even then I’m skeptical of the .13 claim since their first test models used cameras instead of mirrors because large mirrors kill aerodynamics. But cameras still aren’t approved for use in the US as mirror replacements. Might be legal if you are technically classified as a motorcycle though? They still have cameras instead of mirrors on the pre-production prototype.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:A great deal of San Francisco's buses have been electric for decades- but they are powered by overhead wiring so they are technically trolleys, just not on tracks. Amazing
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marshmonkey posted:Might be legal if you are technically classified as a motorcycle though? They still have cameras instead of mirrors on the pre-production prototype. Nope even motorcycles need them. Lots of riders I know use tiny dentist mirrors to get around the law
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:A great deal of San Francisco's buses have been electric for decades- but they are powered by overhead wiring so they are technically trolleys, just not on tracks. I appreciate the "JON" logo. Speaking of San Francisco, I was there recently and saw TWO Spark EVs! Blessed.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:At least 50% of the travel in the first calendar year of ownership has to be for business. An easy way to achieve this is to buy the vehicle in December. OK, drive from San Diego to SF or Seattle for game conferences :-)
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Normal Barbarian posted:I once again want to thank y'all for all the info, particularly the owners of cars under consideration (Polestars, Leafs, Bolts, e-Golf, i3, etc.) The Spark EV is small but a lot of fun. The GM at the Kia dealer I got my Niro EV has one.
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