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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
None of the doctors around here can spell 'emollient' or 'moisturise' and half of them think 'up to every two hours' means the same as 'no more often than every two hours'

It's trivial and I'm being snobby but *come on*

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History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Trickjaw posted:

My doctor uses wiki for diagnosis :\

My doctor asks me if I’ve googled whatever’s wrong and if I have any ideas about what it might be and what kind of treatment I’m looking for.

I have mixed feelings about this because sometimes it’s nice to actually be listened to about your problem, but on the other hand I’m not a doctor, that’s why I’ve come to see you, tell me what you think it is and what I should be doing for it because obviously I’ve not had much luck myself if I’ve taken the time to jump through all the hoops necessary to talk to you.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




History Comes Inside! posted:

My doctor asks me if I’ve googled whatever’s wrong and if I have any ideas about what it might be and what kind of treatment I’m looking for.

I have mixed feelings about this because sometimes it’s nice to actually be listened to about your problem, but on the other hand I’m not a doctor, that’s why I’ve come to see you, tell me what you think it is and what I should be doing for it because obviously I’ve not had much luck myself if I’ve taken the time to jump through all the hoops necessary to talk to you.

Oh I would love this so much. It wouldn't be right for every patient, especially not anti-vaxx ones. But there have times where I've had sources from the world leading Mayo Clinic that back me up but the GP just dismisses me like I'm showing them a Trump tweet. I'm pretty sure a world leading hospital that focuses on research and treating difficult cases is a reputable source and may have experiences that a little GP doesn't run into on the daily.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It makes some sense, like it would be weird if I showed up to the mechanic and they went "do not tell me what you think is wrong with the car, I will be the judge of that"

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




OwlFancier posted:

It makes some sense, like it would be weird if I showed up to the mechanic and they went "do not tell me what you think is wrong with the car, I will be the judge of that"

As I’ve experienced it, it’s more like if you showed up at the mechanic and said “it’s making a clunking noise when it’s running, I’m not a mechanic though so I’m not sure what’s causing it” and they insisting on asking you which part of the engine you thought was most responsible for the clunking and what you think they should do about it anyway.

History Comes Inside! fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Aug 21, 2022

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Aren't they just double checking? I would do the same. It saves time in the long run.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Just remember that we are in safe hands, and not to worry. Boris has everything under control

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
'deserving poor vs undeserving poor' is too much of a limp-wristed liberal position for Rees-Mogg imo, he just defaults to 'all poor are undeserving'
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1561381209611067395?cxt=HHwWhoCz3YD8kasrAAAA

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost
Poor productivity somehow always the fault of workers and safety regulations and not the layers upon layers of senior managers, executives and overpaid consultants

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Brendan Rodgers posted:

Oh I would love this so much. It wouldn't be right for every patient, especially not anti-vaxx ones. But there have times where I've had sources from the world leading Mayo Clinic that back me up but the GP just dismisses me like I'm showing them a Trump tweet. I'm pretty sure a world leading hospital that focuses on research and treating difficult cases is a reputable source and may have experiences that a little GP doesn't run into on the daily.

Btw I have permission from specialists now to completely bypass GPs and even A&E/999, and to talk to them directly if I feel like I need to go to the hospital for their specific fields. So I'm not just smugly diagnosing myself. This is a broken system.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

mediaphage posted:

i don’t know if this is something you can do or even if it’s affordable but lower power ir heaters can often do just as good a job as an area heater since they heat the whole room less than they do whatever they’re shining at (incl people)

No we can't change the storage heaters (they're communal, it's not down to me) and I suggested investigating either new models or other forms of heating at our last AGM only to be roundly voted down. Most of the residents are in their 80s and the payback period on a new heating system far outweighs their likely lifespan.

In our lobby we only have one electric socket and it would mean trailing a flex across the whole lobby area and probably end up with someone tripping / falling / executing themselves by running over the cable in their mobility scooter.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Apraxin posted:

'deserving poor vs undeserving poor' is too much of a limp-wristed liberal position for Rees-Mogg imo, he just defaults to 'all poor are undeserving'
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1561381209611067395?cxt=HHwWhoCz3YD8kasrAAAA

Shinzo Abe this fucker

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Btw I have permission from specialists now to completely bypass GPs and even A&E/999, and to talk to them directly if I feel like I need to go to the hospital for their specific fields. So I'm not just smugly diagnosing myself. This is a broken system.

I know quite a few big employers (banks etc) arranged with some of the companies that provide private GP services to put that in place as a staff benefit during the pandemic and have kept it in place. I know why they did it, but it felt very much like a very large step towards a healthcare system where either you have a job/income that gets you access to private healthcare or you're hosed.

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Apraxin posted:

'deserving poor vs undeserving poor' is too much of a limp-wristed liberal position for Rees-Mogg imo, he just defaults to 'all poor are undeserving'
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1561381209611067395?cxt=HHwWhoCz3YD8kasrAAAA

Like he has EVER done a full day's work, be it digging ditches, retail, call centre, what have you. The first principle of management is never require people to do what you would not.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

HopperUK posted:

None of the doctors around here can spell 'emollient' or 'moisturise' and half of them think 'up to every two hours' means the same as 'no more often than every two hours'

It's trivial and I'm being snobby but *come on*

I was accused of being 'a snob with my watts' trying to get flatmates not to plug absolutely every electrical device possible into an array of extensions and adaptors connected to 1 plug socket.

Danger - Octopus! posted:

I know quite a few big employers (banks etc) arranged with some of the companies that provide private GP services to put that in place as a staff benefit during the pandemic and have kept it in place. I know why they did it, but it felt very much like a very large step towards a healthcare system where either you have a job/income that gets you access to private healthcare or you're hosed.

When I was a temp very many moons ago, it was actually cheaper for me to pay out for one of those private GP services based on London mainline stations than to lose a day's pay by visiting my own GP as I could pop into the private GP and be back in whatever office I was working in in central London in an hour, but going to my own GP near home inevitably meant getting an appointment either mid-late morning (no time to get in to work and back) or mid afternoon and sitting around in the waiting room for a couple of hours so losing a minimum of half a day's pay.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Aug 21, 2022

The Wicked ZOGA
Jan 27, 2022
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Oh I would love this so much. It wouldn't be right for every patient, especially not anti-vaxx ones.

There were some people playing instruments in the park earlier and their sign said something like 'Jam for Freedom' and I was like 'I dunno what this is but I bet I can guess' and then read 'endorsed by Eric Clapton and Van Morrison"

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I was accused of being 'a snob with my watts' trying to get flatmates not to plug absolutely every electrical device possible into an array of extensions and adaptors connected to 1 plug socket.

you and your fire safety, think you're so posh

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

HopperUK posted:

you and your fire safety, think you're so posh

Wait til you hear about my tripping hazards (many of which abound in my own flat LOL)

It's 'Elf n Safety gorn mad.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

No we can't change the storage heaters (they're communal, it's not down to me) and I suggested investigating either new models or other forms of heating at our last AGM only to be roundly voted down. Most of the residents are in their 80s and the payback period on a new heating system far outweighs their likely lifespan.

In our lobby we only have one electric socket and it would mean trailing a flex across the whole lobby area and probably end up with someone tripping / falling / executing themselves by running over the cable in their mobility scooter.

i’m sorry; that’s really frustrating.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
in re doctor google i bet half of doctors who ask do it to head off patients at the pass

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Angepain posted:

sorry you need at least two years' real life warmth experience where you dress as if the ambient temperature was 30 celsius at all times before we can call you physiologically ready to be given medical assistance to not be cold
The running joke on Kill James Bond about "Do you imagine yourself being warm when you masturbate?"


Danger - Octopus! posted:

Gonna have no loving time for managers who ask why I'm wearing a jacket in my flat.
I'm asking this as a dumb guy who is terrible at accounting, but is there not a thing where you can claim back some of your heating bills if they were used for work? If I recall correctly it's part of the same rules where you can claim back on your petrol and clothes if they're used for work. I'm pretty sure if it was a thing someone else would have been mentioning it though.

I know there's a thing like this for phone bills but there's something in my head ringing bells about utility bills as well.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




mediaphage posted:

in re doctor google i bet half of doctors who ask do it to head off patients at the pass

Are they googling stuff themselves in front of their patients in a performative way then?

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Bobby Deluxe posted:

I'm asking this as a dumb guy who is terrible at accounting, but is there not a thing where you can claim back some of your heating bills if they were used for work?

There's like a £6 quid a week tax rebate for that. This means tested poo poo is meant to make people assume it's all being handled. But it's not.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Bobby Deluxe posted:


I'm asking this as a dumb guy who is terrible at accounting, but is there not a thing where you can claim back some of your heating bills if they were used for work? If I recall correctly it's part of the same rules where you can claim back on your petrol and clothes if they're used for work. I'm pretty sure if it was a thing someone else would have been mentioning it though.


There was a tax thing you could claim but they ‘fixed’ that ‘loophole’ recently iirc.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The running joke on Kill James Bond about "Do you imagine yourself being warm when you masturbate?"

I'm asking this as a dumb guy who is terrible at accounting, but is there not a thing where you can claim back some of your heating bills if they were used for work? If I recall correctly it's part of the same rules where you can claim back on your petrol and clothes if they're used for work. I'm pretty sure if it was a thing someone else would have been mentioning it though.

I know there's a thing like this for phone bills but there's something in my head ringing bells about utility bills as well.

If you're self-employed and work from home then if you DON'T have a dedicated workspace then you can claim something towards utilities subject to how many hours of work you do from home (I used to claim £10 per month for 25h + ). If you have a dedicated workspace then you might be in for Business Rates on that part of your home so you need to check the position VERY carefully.
Last year there was a thing where if you employer asked you to WFH even for just 1 single day you could claim tax relief on £300 - which wasn't contrary to popular belief £300 but that tax on that so IIRC it was something like £65 in a year. And of course, if you did not earn enough to pay tax, you couldn't benefit from that at all if your employer asked you to WFH.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The running joke on Kill James Bond about "Do you imagine yourself being warm when you masturbate?"

I'm asking this as a dumb guy who is terrible at accounting, but is there not a thing where you can claim back some of your heating bills if they were used for work? If I recall correctly it's part of the same rules where you can claim back on your petrol and clothes if they're used for work. I'm pretty sure if it was a thing someone else would have been mentioning it though.

I know there's a thing like this for phone bills but there's something in my head ringing bells about utility bills as well.

There's this

Brendan Rodgers posted:

There's like a £6 quid a week tax rebate for that. This means tested poo poo is meant to make people assume it's all being handled. But it's not.

And I imagine if you're some kind of self-employed contractor you could probably do more? My friends who have gone down that road claim for all sorts of stuff. I'm not in that situation though, just a regular employee who happens to WFH.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

How does the petrol claiming work? I drive a lot for work and the mileage rate I get from work is half the government rate, I gather you can claim the rest back but I don't know if it comes as like a tax credit or how much of a pain in the arse it is.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Danger - Octopus! posted:

I know quite a few big employers (banks etc) arranged with some of the companies that provide private GP services to put that in place as a staff benefit during the pandemic and have kept it in place. I know why they did it, but it felt very much like a very large step towards a healthcare system where either you have a job/income that gets you access to private healthcare or you're hosed.

Btw gotta add this to be clear, I'm on the NHS too I couldn't afford private anything. It's just that NHS specialists have told me that phoning their secretary and getting admitted to hospital the next morning will be faster and more efficient than calling 999, let alone going through my GP.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Brendan Rodgers posted:

There's like a £6 quid a week tax rebate for that. This means tested poo poo is meant to make people assume it's all being handled. But it's not.

It was tax relief on £6 pw so just £1.20 pw in terms of actual money, not £6.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Self employed tax is such a massive loving scam, the amount of things you can get tax free or get the government to just straight up pay for is insane. The more I learn about it, the more I think it should all be shut down, it's just that when people find out how bent it is they tend to claim it for themselves instead of complaining to others.

There are certain parts of it that are basically free money if you don't mind bankrupting yourself every few years.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Btw gotta add this to be clear, I'm on the NHS too I couldn't afford private anything. It's just that NHS specialists have told me that phoning their secretary and getting admitted to hospital the next morning will be faster and more efficient than calling 999, let alone going through my GP.

Oh sorry if I came across as a dick, wasn't implying you'd gone private! Was just glumly looking at how big companies are heading down that way. And yeah, I've got further self-referring to specialist NHS clinics (where that's an option) than trying to get a GP referral to them over the last year.

kyojin
Jun 15, 2005

I MASHED THE KEYS AND LOOK WHAT I MADE
I didn't have the heating on at all last winter to save money - I live alone so gently caress it, no-one to judge me. Here are my learnings:

*the cheapest blankets I could find are furniture/removal blankets which are about £2/3 each if you get ten+. Not very elegant but put a few in a duvet cover and pretend you are very normal. They didn't disintegrate too badly, I'll be using them again this year.

*as mentioned above thermal body layers are really effective, merino is best if you can afford it. I figured things are only going to get worse so an investment worth making imo

*uniqlo fleece joggers are decent value, I was up to three pairs at once over the merino and that kept me warm enough. Same for top layers, they have a hoody that is fleece inside but just plain black fabric outside so suitable for video meetings if you are wfh and don't want to look like a lunatic (less likely to be an issue this year because I think plenty of people will be layering up). That over a few jumpers and tshirts was pretty effective. All polyester so no good for any activity more strenuous than sitting. Get things a size up maybe, either way getting dressed becomes a ten minute farce like preparing for a space walk or something but overall that kept me warm enough to not be uncomfortable.

*fingers and toes are definitely the challenge. I wore three pairs of socks, interlaced with the many trousers, including thick wool hiking socks I already had but weren't too expensive, and then m&s fleece lined slippers. I have a pair with firm soles for during the day, and change for a pair of fleece slipper boots in the evening - as much as anything this was for separating work/not work time, sounds dumb but it was effective and above all kept my toes warm. Hands were more difficult, I tried fingerless gloves but I didn't really get on with them, bought some wrist warmers which were ok but mostly I just got used to having cold fingies during the day

*get out at lunchtime and go for a walk or do some exercise, something to get the blood moving and it's always warmer indoors when you get back

*hot drinks obviously and try to eat well, it really makes a big difference. I'd have a good meal in the evening and then lie on the sofa under the removal blankets and wonder what I was really doing with my life, but warmly at least

*have a bath since it's cheaper to heat some water and be in it I reckon. Depends on your tolerance but I'd spend an afternoon in the bath with a book at the weekend, topping it up occasionally (if you have an on demand boiler then run the tap in the sink to get the water hot before topping up). Contemplated trying to put a lid over the bath to retain the heat longer but didn't find a solution also that definitely seems like a step too far tbh, bath coffin. Bathroom door closed at least.

*hot water bottle/those bean bag microwave things, use them to get the bed warm before you get in so it's not a frozen wasteland for the first twenty minutes

*anger and hatred are surprisingly effective at raising one's temperature, all the clothes just help to capture it

It's all common sense I appreciate, but wearing 4+ layers was effective to keep me warm all winter, and you are basically heating the smallest possible space via food. It wasn't great but it wasn't utterly miserable and the gas bill was obviously very low, about £15/20 a month with half of that being the standing charge. Probably I spent as much on clothes etc as I would have running the heating at 15° or whatever, but obviously this year I'm already set up and braced for whatever loving nightmare is coming

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

In our lobby we only have one electric socket and it would mean trailing a flex across the whole lobby area and probably end up with someone tripping / falling / executing themselves by running over the cable in their mobility scooter.

Welcome to Wales, 47. Janus is holed up in a block of flats...

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

kyojin posted:

I didn't have the heating on at all last winter to save money

jfc but also well done on managing it

Convex
Aug 19, 2010
UKMT Winter 2022 - anger and hatred are surprisingly effective at raising one's temperature

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Bath covers we're definitely A Thing in olden days times, I forget which National Trust property it is but one of them has one set up (with a handy bell to call your servant to bring you another brandy or whatever) while you poke your head and hands(?) out of a hole

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Trickjaw posted:

My doctor uses wiki for diagnosis :\

30 years ago they'd go crack open a textbook. Wiki is faster.

Brendan Rodgers posted:

Btw I have permission from specialists now to completely bypass GPs and even A&E/999, and to talk to them directly if I feel like I need to go to the hospital for their specific fields. So I'm not just smugly diagnosing myself. This is a broken system.

Everyone thinks their special. Most aren't.

For every one with a rare diagnosis there'll be 10 others with something else. Most patient's legitimately have a problem, its just not always what they think it is and a good GP should be able to figure it out. In a functioning system they should be able to sus out who needs mental health help (and actually get it), who's mis-attributing their symptoms and who actually needs to be shuffled off to the specialists. Unfortunately these days they have no time, no resources and those with the skill to do this triage are rapidly leaving the service. Ergo you get flubbed off or immediately sent to wait 6-12 months on an oversubscribed specialist waiting list.

For eg. the Morgellons patients will show up with reams of paperwork but trying to persuade them that they need antipsychotics rather than antiparasitics is a very interesting conversation.

Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Aug 21, 2022

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Heading to my home office dressed like the eye designer from Bladerunner.

OzyMandrill
Aug 12, 2013

Look upon my words
and despair

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I must demand the recipe for this cake please.

If it was the one I posted a few weeks back, it's this one. My daughter won her first PTA cake competition with it (she helped a bit, honest). She won a spoon. Most expensive wooden spoon I've ever had.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Z the IVth posted:

For eg. the Morgellons patients will show up with reams of paperwork but trying to persuade them that they need antipsychotics rather than antiparasitics is a very interesting conversation.
Some of the old antihistamines were good for both.

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