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Carpator Diei posted:Come to think of it, in a world where not only men exist but also Elves and Dwarves and Hobbits and Orcs and Ents et cetera, that prophecy kind of doesn't mean all that much. Hey, he's the Witch-King of Angmar, not the Rules-Lawyer of Angmar.
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Plucky Brit posted:Gothmog’s ‘oh poo poo’ moment during the Rohirrim charge is one of the best moments in the entire trilogy. The shift from smug,"I can school all these fools in combat" to,"Oh Jesus Christ this isn't working!  " was incredible.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8UAUAuKNcU How can I still feel nothing watching these trailers? Can they at least try to explain the story and why I should care about anything being shown onscreen? Why are people fighting? I don't know. Aside from the beginning setting up "oh my brother died and I'll take up his sword," all I hear are just generic placeholder inspirational phrases. JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Aug 23, 2022 14:23
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Shibawanko posted:https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/The_Stranger I'm still not convinced they're not gonna pull something and have that be young Gandalf. And yes, I know this would contradict previous lore about how the wizards came to Middle Earth, blah blah blah. I just don't think they'll care about that as much as they'll care about a "big moment".
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i think a blue wizard is far more likely than either sauron or gandalf.
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MLSM posted:Man I love Treebeard Treebeard: We have decided...................... we have decided that you........................ are not orcs. Other Ents nod enthusiastically, delighted with their accomplishment.
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JazzFlight posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8UAUAuKNcU Man I love lord of the rings and I’m kind of in the same boat. I go into every show/movie optimistic and willing to give everything a chance but aside from fantasy creatures in this trailer everything looked like it was just some Roman show.
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Aug 23, 2022 15:38
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That trailer does nothing for me. Maybe it’s a victim of modern marketing strategy and how every trailer for everything follows the same beats but it doesn’t make me feel optimistic.
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Aug 23, 2022 15:41
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It reinforces (to me at least) how good looking everything is but yeah, not really getting much of a reason to care about these people and places.
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How powerful is Galadriel supposed to be at the time this series takes place? Based on the trailers, she can climb mountains and swing her sword, but there's not the kind of mythical aura she had in the movies.
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Aug 23, 2022 15:57
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JazzFlight posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8UAUAuKNcU I'm glad to see that someone has finally made a series with 100% portentous dialog, thank you Bezos!
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BoldFace posted:How powerful is Galadriel supposed to be at the time this series takes place? Based on the trailers, she can climb mountains and swing her sword, but there's not the kind of mythical aura she had in the movies. "power" is alwasy dodgy in Tolkien as its not like star wars with midichlorians. However for discussion we can delinate powerful people from ones with less capability. The biggest thing compared to later is that she does not have the ring she uses to create Lothlorien yet. That is what puts her far above most others by the events of LOTR. Absent that, compared to the other characters, she is by far one of the oldest and most powerful elves in Middle Earth at the time, being aroudn 8,000 as of the show. There are others too since not everyone died during the war of wrath and the destruction of Beleriand, but she is rather high up in the ranks of elvish nobility. She is the daughter of the High King of the Noldor, Finarfin and was born in Valinor under the light of the two trees. In Tolkien's stories, Elves born in Valinor during that time are noticiably differnt than other Elves, being taller, stronger, and more in tune with magic. I think she is like 6'5 or something in the books. She's also from the house of the High King, and only 2 generatiosn removed from one of the Elves that first awoke, which also counts for "power" in Tolkien cause he definitely loved noble houses. So as of the start of the show, she's bascially legolas on steroids, and then at some point gets an immensely powerful magic ring that contribues to her later aura.
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That trailer looked and sounded bland as gently caress!
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i dont give a poo poo about trailers the show will be good or bad regardless of them
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JazzFlight posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8UAUAuKNcU it looks and feels like bloodless "prestige" tv made by jj abrams proxies
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WoodrowSkillson posted:"power" is alwasy dodgy in Tolkien as its not like star wars with midichlorians. However for discussion we can delinate powerful people from ones with less capability. GilGalad and especially Elrond have absolutely zero standing or authority to speak down to Galadriel or basically second guess her at all which is something that has me especially concerned over how these characters are all going to be portrayed. They actually do the character of Galadriel a disservice by diminishing her to some spunky elf who won’t play by the rules. And her Ring of Power is not why she’s more “powerful.” It merely enhances her already more significant abilities. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:GilGalad and especially Elrond have absolutely zero standing or authority to speak down to Galadriel or basically second guess her at all which is something that has me especially concerned over how these characters are all going to be portrayed. They actually do the character of Galadriel a disservice by diminishing her to some spunky elf who won’t play by the rules. And her Ring of Power is not why she’s more “powerful.” It merely enhances her already more significant abilities. That does not mean that can't do it anyway, Elves, especially Noldor, are not exactly well known for their deep respect of tradition and authority. How is something that enhances your extant abilities not making you more powerful?
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WoodrowSkillson posted:That does not mean that can't do it anyway, Elves, especially Noldor, are not exactly well known for their deep respect of tradition and authority. I’m merely pointing out that she was above those two kids (and Elrond is like 50 years old when the second age starts) long before the Rings were a thing. The time compression poo poo is gonna be a disaster imo. It was my biggest worry from the start.
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JazzFlight posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8UAUAuKNcU No slim shady sauron 1/10 pyrotek posted:I'm glad to see that someone has finally made a series with 100% portentous dialog, thank you Bezos! For real its nothing but pretentious platitudes about courage or whatever. None of these trailers have given a coherent hint of the plot lol
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I want more of the Galadriel who can wander serenely around meadows and forests beaming a warm sincere smile at you as she chats sweetly about things.... while simultaneously having mental conversations with half a dozen people at once warning them that she can see deep into their souls and knows their truest fears and darkest secrets, and shits going to get real if they're not careful. Edit: this one, basically! 
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I’m merely pointing out that she was above those two kids (and Elrond is like 50 years old when the second age starts) long before the Rings were a thing. The time compression poo poo is gonna be a disaster imo. It was my biggest worry from the start. Elrond has a Maia ancestor though if I'm not mistaken
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SixFigureSandwich posted:Elrond has a Maia ancestor though if I'm not mistaken Melian, his great grandmother, mother of Luthien who married Beren. She and Beren were Aragorn and Arwen 1.0.
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Luthien was infinite more badass than Arwen though. Not many people in Middle Earth can say that they slapped Sauron, but Luthien is one of them.
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Also the star of the one and only singular horny scene in all of Tolkien. Which itself is worded so clinically and off-puttingly that it leaves no uncertainty as to how he felt about the whole idea
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Data Graham posted:Also the star of the one and only singular horny scene in all of Tolkien. Which itself is worded so clinically and off-puttingly that it leaves no uncertainty as to how he felt about the whole idea He and his wife's graves are carved as Beren and Luthien. Tolkien was very Catholic. PST fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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thrawn527 posted:I'm still not convinced they're not gonna pull something and have that be young Gandalf. And yes, I know this would contradict previous lore about how the wizards came to Middle Earth, blah blah blah. I just don't think they'll care about that as much as they'll care about a "big moment". tom bombadil
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It’s incredible how many people here are proactively ready to hate this show, having not seen a single episode. I guess I should be accustomed to it based on the Dragon House thread, and SA history in general, but I never can quite get used to it.
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MrMojok posted:It’s incredible how many people here are proactively ready to hate this show, having not seen a single episode. I'm just saying the trailers are extremely bland and unappealing. It's kinda their job to get the viewer excited.
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MrMojok posted:It’s incredible how many people here are proactively ready to hate this show, having not seen a single episode. I like the posts ripping the newest trailer for only including epic one-liners and not fully-fleshed dialogue or not “making me care” about the characters as if trailers are supposed to be full-fledged episodes, then dooming the show to failure over it.
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I think we should just give it a chance. If it sucks, it sucks. But we don’t know what it even is, yet.
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MrMojok posted:I think we should just give it a chance. If it sucks, it sucks. But we don’t know what it even is, yet. People that have seen the first two episodes seem to be generally pretty positive about it.
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It's a really unique challenge for a TV show to attempt. The material is not a "story" so much as a historical chronicle. Nerds have spent decades obsessing over the historical chronicle aspects of it, because it's nerdy by nature, but that's not how TV works. If they want to make a TV show out of it, they'll have to do something that's inherently different from what nerds like about it. They'll have to turn it into a "story". It's natural that we nerds are unsure about what the show thinks it's doing, or whether the story will be engaging or Tolkien-like or will find an audience or anything. It's all brand-new territory. But the one thing we know they can't do is "just film the book" because in this case, way more than with LotR or even the Silmarillion, there's hardly any book to film. Literally all they have that ties it to what we are familiar with is epic establishing shots and greatest-hits characters in cool costumes. It's like trying to write a text in Quenya when all you have is lots of nouns, a few adjectives, and almost zero verbs. We've all been burned by Foundation, but that was kind of a different problem to solve. That show just made some dumb narrative decisions that didn't pan out. It was a similarly "unfilmable" story, but there was a lot more narrative and character to base things on. I'd also put it on a spectrum with Brokeback Mountain, a 3-hour movie based on a 20-page short story. But in that case it was all character and a really heart-wrenching narrative, so there was plenty for a filmmaker to sink his teeth into and expand it out. This is something new again.
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Judgy Fucker posted:I like the posts ripping the newest trailer for only including epic one-liners and not fully-fleshed dialogue or not “making me care” about the characters as if trailers are supposed to be full-fledged episodes, then dooming the show to failure over it. You only have to keep lying to yourself like this for another week. 
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drunkill posted:tom bombadil This was dumb but still made me lol 
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MLSM posted:You only have to keep lying to yourself like this for another week. Lying about what, exactly?
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sticksy posted:This was dumb but still made me lol At the risk of arguing with a meme, this is one of the most frustrating and yet long running misconceptions in the Tolkien fandom. There is really nothing more for Bombadil to elaborate on. He isn’t some secret identity, he isn’t anything he doesn’t just outright say. “Who is Tom Bombadil?” is a silly question because the answer is literally just “He’s Tom Bombadil.” “Well what is Tom Bombadil?” He just is. Which is either entirely appropriate for the legendarium or underwhelming depending on how wild you get with theorycrafting. Frankly the identity of Goldberry is more mysterious because it feels like Bombadil just kidnapped her one day and made her his wife like some hosed up religious cultist. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Aug 24, 2022 |
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Collateral posted:I thought he was eru. Regrettably Tolkien shot that down point blank in a letter.
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