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V. Illych L. posted:schmitt in particular is one of the most serious early critics of developed bourgeois democracy. he went completely mad personally, but a lot of his work in discussing liberality and democracy e.g. was and is very important and to a large extent useful for disentangling some important concepts in our contemporary society I can't read the article in question because it's behind a paywall*, but I believe you. Like I said, it doesn't seem like these ideas were being regurgitated but engaged with in a critical fashion, so the argument confuses me (I mean, not really, this is the Marxism thread on Something Awful dot Com.) * If I'm being honest I doubt I'd read it right now even if it were freely accessible. I've got minis to paint, pets to play with, and I'm still working on the Capital analysis that I need to finish in another week or so, so at best I'd likely bookmark it for reading at some unspecified future date. eta: Added a quote to make it clear who I was responding to.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:theres a line between 19th century dude writing about savages and a nazi court philosopher it really depends on which 19th century dude you're thinking of.
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Falstaff posted:I can't read the article in question because it's behind a paywall*, but I believe you. Like I said, it doesn't seem like these ideas were being regurgitated but engaged with in a critical fashion, so the argument confuses me (I mean, not really, this is the Marxism thread on Something Awful dot Com.) the line of argument goes that since the conclusion can be naziism (demonstrated by the thinker himself becaming a nazi), you should not engage with the line of thinking at all. this is regardless of any particular truth value or merit outside of the thinker himself, because the empirical fact of the intellectual succumbing to naziism means that he is a) unintelligent and/or b) that the thoughts in question are objectively nazi propaganda, since they clearly led someone to become a nazi a) is on some occasions flatly untrue, but b) merits a more substantive evaluation - smart nazi propaganda isn't something to cite in an academic context unless one is specifically looking at propaganda etc., so you want to see if there is some actual value to be extracted with a critical eye. this can be and has been done with several authors and thinkers, prominently heidegger and only slightly less prominently schmitt
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Aug 25, 2022 20:39
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croup coughfield posted:the only way to understand bourgeois democracy and its contradictions is to read 👏 mein 👏 kampf 👏 i appreciate the bit you're doing but come on, that's incredibly bad faith. you 100% literally might read mein kampf to understand what happened in germany. it's a primary source, as incredibly flawed as it is and with the trillion caveats that we justifiably put on it. you can examine the text and not support the text, you can examine the influence and not support the text.
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Aug 25, 2022 20:42
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lol, you don't have to be smart to be persuasive. usually the opposite. mein kampf is dumb as hell, like, try reading a passage outloud and not bust up laughing. but it galvanized a whole nation smart usually requires some subtlety and appreciation of context
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Aug 25, 2022 20:46
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The Voice of Labor posted:mein kampf is dumb as hell, like, try reading a passage outloud and not bust up laughing ok but what if you do it without the hitler impression
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Aug 25, 2022 20:48
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I’m sitting in a bumpy bus which makes it inconvenient to write much but here’s a excerpt on how Schmitt can be evaluated and contrasted in a Marxist analysis, from Comrade by Dean quote:“Carl Schmitt famously characterized liberalism as replacing politics with ethics and economics. Correlatively, we should note the displacement of politics specific to neoliberalism. There is individualized self-cultivation, self-management, self-reliance, self-absorption, and—at the same time—impersonal determining processes, circuits, and systems. We have responsible individuals, individuals who are responsibilized, treated as loci of autonomous choices and decisions, and we have individuals encountering situations that are utterly determining and outside their control. Instead of ethics and economics, neoliberalism’s displacement of politics manifests in the opposition between survivors and systems. The former struggle to persist in conditions of unlivability rather than to seize and transform these conditions. The latter are systems and “hyperobjects” determining us, often aesthetic objects or objects of a future aesthetics, things to view and diagram and predict and perhaps even mourn, but not to affect.” there’s more stuff in there but I hope this example is helpful to this discussion.
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Aug 25, 2022 20:50
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Cuttlefush posted:ok but what if you do it without the hitler impression less funny but still pretty funny. you can do it in a trump voice or a tucker voice too, droopy dog is also good
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Aug 25, 2022 20:53
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CoolCab posted:i appreciate the bit you're doing but come on, that's incredibly bad faith. you 100% literally might read mein kampf to understand what happened in germany. it's a primary source, as incredibly flawed as it is and with the trillion caveats that we justifiably put on it. you can examine the text and not support the text, you can examine the influence and not support the text. my objection is that these are presented by the op as required, that we simply must use these specific sources if we want to understand the mechanisms of capitalism. thats absurd. like no one else on earth can explain why liberal hegemony is bad except this one skull-measurer. i do not agree with the supposition and suggest that the op is wrong on this one. The Voice of Labor posted:lol, you don't have to be smart to be persuasive. maybe you should try to be either before posting again
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Aug 25, 2022 20:56
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Marx would write three entire notebooks against some low-tier intellectual on an average monday if Engels let him I've always been a fan of the theory that Max Stirner did not exist and was purely a trick Engles pulled on Marx to get him wound up
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Aug 25, 2022 20:57
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StashAugustine posted:I've always been a fan of the theory that Max Stirner did not exist and was purely a trick Engles pulled on Marx to get him wound up Making up a guy to get mad at, but with a twist
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Aug 25, 2022 20:59
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StashAugustine posted:I've always been a fan of the theory that Max Stirner did not exist and was purely a trick Engles pulled on Marx to get him wound up Same.
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Aug 25, 2022 21:18
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croup coughfield posted:my objection is that these are presented by the op as required, that we simply must use these specific sources if we want to understand the mechanisms of capitalism. thats absurd. like no one else on earth can explain why liberal hegemony is bad except this one skull-measurer. i do not agree with the supposition and suggest that the op is wrong on this one. then good, make the argument as you have done, are doing. don't fall back into that ur-Goon impulse to reduce everything into a rifftrax where everyone is goofing on what a wild thing someone said. as thread Hey We Shouldn't Kick Out The Trotskysts Guy, apparently that's extending to You Know Academic Marxism Exists, Right guy
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Aug 25, 2022 21:24
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i like to make jokes and have fun
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Aug 25, 2022 22:52
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big daddy marx would want me to laugh at people being dumb
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Aug 25, 2022 22:53
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you know who didnt have fun? adolf hitler
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Aug 25, 2022 22:56
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Man, I always knew gradenko was full of Schmitt
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Aug 25, 2022 23:18
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croup coughfield posted:i like to make jokes and have fun after your mother's heart, bless her
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Aug 25, 2022 23:23
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Aug 26, 2022 03:03
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CoolCab posted:after your mother's heart, bless her
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Aug 26, 2022 03:05
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Look if Heidegger is supposed to be this no good guy that we can't talk about why do we keep posting that gif of him saying "its free real estate"
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Aug 26, 2022 03:09
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i don't think you're cut out for an automatic in the first place
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Aug 26, 2022 03:41
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the victims of communism museum adds another number to its figures
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Aug 26, 2022 03:51
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The Voice of Labor posted:the victims of communism museum adds another number to its figures 
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Aug 26, 2022 03:57
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gradenko_2000 posted:Look if Heidegger is supposed to be this no good guy that we can't talk about why do we keep posting that gif of him saying "its free real estate" that’s hermeneutics bayby
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Aug 26, 2022 06:19
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Germaneutics
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Aug 26, 2022 06:59
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I refuse to believe in rocketry because of its political affiliation. Those "satellites" are reactionary conspiracy theories hiding the glorious face of comrade Engels smiling down from the heavens.
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Aug 26, 2022 16:00
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I refuse to believe in rocketry because of its political affiliation. The moon landings were the epitome of white supremacy’s expression due to the involvement of Kurt H. Debus. wait who am i kidding the moon landings were faked? !?
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Aug 26, 2022 16:28
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I have terrible news: Carl Schmitt is discussed in the latest episode of the red-brown podcast TrueAnon. shield your ears.
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Aug 26, 2022 17:04
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The Moon Landings were white supremacist because they were by a white supremacist state and put a white supremacist flag on the moon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
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Aug 26, 2022 17:05
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Atrocious Joe posted:The Moon Landings were white supremacist because they were by a white supremacist state and put a white supremacist flag on the moon. and what color is the moon? thats right, WHITE
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Aug 26, 2022 17:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:and what color is the moon? thats right, WHITE  the moon is not white
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Aug 26, 2022 17:11
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Atrocious Joe posted:
That's just an Elizabeth Warren moon.
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Aug 26, 2022 17:27
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I refuse to believe in rocketry because of its political affiliation. nobodys saying this.
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Aug 26, 2022 21:13
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Atrocious Joe posted:
wow. is there a friggin cheeto on the white moon
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Aug 26, 2022 21:17
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croup coughfield posted:nobodys saying this. croup coughfield posted:i like to make jokes and have fun
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Aug 26, 2022 21:28
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cant argue with it
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Aug 26, 2022 21:32
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Homeless Friend posted:wow. is there a friggin cheeto on the white moon the moon has been trumpified
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Aug 26, 2022 23:21
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what would marx's name be if she transitioned
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groucha
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