Real hurthling! posted:

hows that chromium spill in michigan doing?

Azathoth posted:

Would it sweeten the deal if I said that the IK could literally probe Arf any time for any reason?

Microplastics posted:

Tempora Mutantur posted:

remember Arf? he's back, in cringe form!

hekaton posted:

Arf shitposted to freedom through five hundred pages of cringe smelling foulness I can’t even imagine

Microplastics posted:

silicone thrills posted:

I'd do it because honestly I really only give a poo poo about posting news and local collapse stories and sometimes posting coool poo poo but also

I could never do it because im a sensitive little baby who cries when people make fun of me.

blatman posted:

give everyone who has ever posted in the thread ik but every time someone gives a sixer it also gives them a sixer

blatman posted:

give everyone who has ever posted in the thread ik but every time someone gives a sixer it also gives them a sixer

Microplastics posted:

*two hours later, literally every poster is in the leper's colony*

Fell Mood posted:

There are no skills that will let you survive a complete collapse, ie the water and electricity are turned off and industrial farming stops. There are 4 reasons for this.

Assume the fossil fuel stops flowing.

1. Learning how to farm like it's 1800 requires a lot more than just "having skills" It's a knowledge base that very very few people still keep up with, and you have to get it right quickly before you starve. This isn't like growing a garden.

2. None of the infrastructure is there. The tools for farming by human or animal power no longer exist in quantity. The electricity to power the machines to make them won't exist. Where are the tens of thousands of horses and donkeys and oxen we would need? What about the seeds? Hell can you even get from the city to a field on the outskirts without a car? With no horse to ride?

Even a simple way of life requires pre-existing infrastructure that has built on itself over centuries.
If you were an expert on farming and time traveled to 1820 and was given a free piece of land, there is a great deal already made available by society. Plows and horses would exist in high numbers and could be bought on credit. Today we would be starting from scratch. It would be like the Jamestown settlers starving before the native Americans saved them.

3. The environment is degraded. Even if your community could transition back into a low tech agrarian society before you all starved to death, crop failure would be common.

4. The environment is degraded. 300 years ago you could simply walk thru a forest in north America and pick up enough chestnuts, blue berries, muskadines, ect ect to survive. There would be deer and rabbits and Buffalo everywhere. Now when your crops fail you won't be feeding the community by hunting. That or you'll give everyone a prion disease.

There is no rebuilding from this. It is different from every other collapse that a society has suffered in history because there is no where to go. We cannot revert to a less organized society because we are destroying nature itself. Let's assume a worst case scenario. Humanity is set back 50,000 years to being isolated tribes of 50 to 60 people that either hunt or try to farm.

There are places that have seen continuous human habitation for millenia that will be too hot for that. We've collapsed the fish stocks. We've killed the large mammal populations. Even after human society is gone they may not recover due to the chemical pollution affecting fertility for centuries.

Let's talk Canada and Siberia. We'll just all move north where it's cooler, right? To a place that has never been farmed and has no topsoil. To the massive bogs of thawed permafrost where a human being can't walk, nevermind trying to get a donkey or tractor into the field. Where the natives have lost thier way of life because the seal, whale, crab, fish, populations are depleted.

Let's talk the Chernobyl exclusion zone. Nature recovered in 20 years right? It's called shifting baselines. That's what you think nature is like because you're never seen nature. How much animal biomass does the zone have? How many humans could that sustain if you didn't overhunt? How does seeing a few deer in the exclusion zone compare to native American stories about a herd of Buffalo millions strong where you just had to sit on the trail for 3 days and wait for the mass of animals to pass before you could continue? Spanish explorers wrote in thier logs about schools of sea turtles so thick it felt like the ship was running aground as they plowed thru.

We will not transition to a carbon neutral high tech society. We are in a capitalism fitness trap and it's almost too late.

We will not transition to a low tech agrarian society. We conceivably could with proper preparation and reorganizing of society, but we won't. And it may not be possible to rebuild into a low tech agrarian society after a sudden collapse. (Because we are altering the environment such that sufficient crops won't grow. )

We will flail about as we desperately try to keep things going. Canada and Northern Russia will be devastated as enormous effort is expended to make it suitable for large scale habitation. Thawed permafrost bogs will be drained and scraped away to try to find something solid to build on. Massive amounts of NatGas will be used to try to make enough fertilizer for what little dirt there is. The trees will be cut down for housing and the 10,000 lakes polluted. All while the mid latitudes experience giga death from heatwaves and crop failure.

We are hosed. And when the power is turned off and food and fuel stop being shipped to your little corner of the world, all your skills and resilient community's and whatnot just means you'll survive longer as you scavenge the corpse of society. I'm not saying that isn't worthwhile, I'm developing my own skills as well. But this isn't going to be Russia in the 90s or like a civil war in some war torn country. We are destroying the basic inputs human civilization must have to function.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Cool that the author doesn't realize almost all of the US/Mexico border migrants are climates refugees and the response has been to put them in concentration camps and make it a crime to give them water. They're also sterilized.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Here's the letter from Congress:

https://jayapal.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/DHS-IG-FINAL.pdf

They began performing them in 2014.

Bunch of different links here. Extremely well documented.
Full report here: https://projectsouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/OIG-ICDC-Complaint-1.pdf

Hubbert posted:

hekaton posted:

hekaton posted:

silicone thrills posted:

I'd do it because honestly I really only give a poo poo about posting news and local collapse stories and sometimes posting coool poo poo but also

I could never do it because im a sensitive little baby who cries when people make fun of me.

hekaton posted:

The Voice of Labor posted:

aren't you a woman though? the whole of the internet will come to your aid at the drop of a hat m'lady

actionjackson posted:

what's the explanation for the patch running north south through the center of the US? does it relate to the mississippi river at all?

God Hole posted:

What's the price of a Jubdge these days?

hekaton posted:

hekaton posted:

future IK, plagued with regret from an unjust probe

hekaton posted:

Microplastics posted:

Hubbert posted:

hekaton posted:

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Fell Mood posted:

In the spirit of climate change, appoint someone who will talk a lot and do nothing. The IK must never make a decision that would help the thread. In fact the entrenched power structure (the mods) must remove the IK if they ever actually do something.

A Bakers Cousin posted:

this thread stays on target really well i think

ArfJason posted:

THERES CRINGE IN THE ATMOSPHERE

ArfJason posted:

THERES CRINGE IN THE ATMOSPHERE