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Pener Kropoopkin posted:We're denying a core resource to the use of a government which needs to rebuild from the war, so that an unrecognized autonomous zone can take it and sell it off to the state's enemies (including the enemy that deliberately attacks them) under American pressure & protection. BUT IT'S NOT STEALING! but bro it doesn’t even make a difference* whether the kurds or assad get the money *to me
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oh id rather the Kurds get it. the Kurds were the only folks we should have supported in the ME.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:it’s war and we support one of the sides. do you think war abrogates theft
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indigi posted:do you think war abrogates theft no but which group is legitimate where is rather the question of a war
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Bar Ran Dun posted:that’s the real complaint any way isn’t it? that we support the one side. one doesn’t have to dress it up and use language to frame it as something else. 
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Bar Ran Dun posted:oh id rather the Kurds get it. the Kurds were the only folks we should have supported in the ME. the reason we keep loving over the kurds is because every other ally we have there and even our enemies there too all dont want a kurdish state and will start a war with one that comes into being to prevent breakaway regions in their countries from joining it
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Real hurthling! posted:the reason we keep loving over the kurds is because every other ally we have there and even our enemies there too all dont want a kurdish state and will start a war with one that comes into being to prevent breakaway regions in their countries from joining it that’s sort of the problem anyway. once they got their own region in Iraq that’s what’s happened. it’s a “region in Iraq” but it might as well be a Kurdish state.
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Ardennes posted:Yeah Mercenaries, had a count down timer where literally thousands of people were dying in by the second, and it wasn’t considered that weird at the time. These games always have some technicality where there's a coup just before the game starts so you're fighting an illegitimate nonideological dictator.
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yeah generally when you steal something it’s because you support your side more than the one you are stealing from
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Bar Ran Dun posted:that’s sort of the problem anyway. once they got their own region in Iraq that’s what’s happened. it’s a “region in Iraq” but it might as well be a Kurdish state. what could go wrong, we have a perfectly good example in Israel!
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GlassEye-Boy posted:what could go wrong, we have a perfectly good example in Israel! thats not....a very good comparison
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Bar Ran Dun posted:no but which group is legitimate where is rather the question of a war your position then is might makes right?
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GlassEye-Boy posted:what could go wrong, we have a perfectly good example in Israel! lol kerdish people don't need to return to their homeland they never left
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Bar Ran Dun posted:it’s war and we support one of the sides. Seems to me the use of stealing here is pretty much standard English? No dressing up at all? And I don't have anything against the Kurds. Bar Ran Dun posted:that’s sort of the problem anyway. once they got their own region in Iraq that’s what’s happened. it’s a “region in Iraq” but it might as well be a Kurdish state. Those are a different group though. If I'm not completely off there's even marriage ties between the Barzanis and Erdogan.
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genericnick posted:And I don't have anything against the Kurds. neither does anyone else here saying our government's support for them is purely cynical and they would throw them all in a meatgrinder if it could hurt our ruling class's enemies is just stating the truth this is one of the reasons american imperialism is bad
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Goast posted:neither does anyone else here would?
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indigi posted:your position then is might makes right? no that it’s unclear which groups are legitimate where. it also presumes the legitimacy of Assad. I’m not sure why it should be presumed the counter revolution is legitimate. genericnick posted:Those are a different group though. If I'm not completely off there's even marriage ties between the Barzanis and Erdogan. going from memory I do remember reading about exactly that situation happening . with retreating into and advancing from Iraq. at least at the beginning and when ISIS was a thing.
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i support the lion assad, let him have the oil
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Bar Ran Dun posted:no Because they won the war and control the capital + all of the most populated areas of the country, and the only reason the Kurds can claim any element of autonomy is because the US is there doing airstrikes on "Iranian-backed militias" for an illegal occupation. You should be worried about your own legitimacy more than the seated government of Syria, and how American actions are drawing out the war and making it impossible to end.
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Just say what the gently caress you mean: we should do regime change in Syria. Enough with this coy liberal fascist rhetoric.
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im willing to make a real crazy and radical claim here: at the very least the united states of america is not the legitimate government of syria and thus should gently caress right off
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Bar Ran Dun posted:that it’s unclear which groups are legitimate where. what determines this?
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heres a compromise, they give me control of syrias oil, and then i will let my friend bashar al-assad have it. everyone wins.
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wow Assad has been president of Syria since he was like 35. image having a young leader lol. i wonder how Joe Biden will be doing in 22 years
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Just say what the gently caress you mean: we should do regime change in Syria. Enough with this coy liberal fascist rhetoric. I don’t find the conflation of Autocracy, Orthodoxy, and Nationalism of Russia and its supported authoritarian client states (of which Assad is) with leftism or socialism compelling in anyway. it is something to be opposed. I don’t however think regime change is viable or desirable in Syria at this point. I am also supportive of a independent Kurdish nation, which will probably never happen and makes me a bit odd.
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I am interesting & special also.
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manic pixie dream ethnostate
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Rutibex posted:wow Assad has been president of Syria since he was like 35. image having a young leader lol. i wonder how Joe Biden will be doing in 22 years Alexander the Great conquered the known world at age 30. Feeling old yet?
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I don’t find the conflation of Autocracy, Orthodoxy, and Nationalism of Russia and its supported authoritarian client states (of which Assad is) with leftism or socialism compelling in anyway. it is something to be opposed. I don’t however think regime change is viable or desirable in Syria at this point. what if I told you several Russian oligarchs have hired McKinsey consultants at one time or another, would that change your mind
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Pretty sure most cspam posters are broadly in favor of Kurds getting autonomy, the issue is that, at least globally speaking, there's no reason to support the US over pretty much any reasonable challenger
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:what if I told you several Russian oligarchs have hired McKinsey consultants at one time or another, would that change your mind McKinsey has worked for the Saudis too. the modeling they do is amoral and get are definitely capitalists who will sell it to anybody. Here’s a useful thing to remember. think of the most useful thing you know about, your most useful intellectual tool. the worst people you can conceive of or the ones you oppose the most can also just use that idea too. I used to do safety of life at sea work. lmao at the client list I had over the years for that.
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indigi posted:what determines this? we do
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I don’t find the conflation of Autocracy, Orthodoxy, and Nationalism of Russia and its supported authoritarian client states (of which Assad is) with leftism or socialism compelling in anyway. it is something to be opposed. Wow that sounds terrible! I’m sure you have lots of examples.
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conflation with leftism lol, there's no conflation, just people saying that immiserating these countries is bad
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fart simpson posted:we do ok, but who keeps Atlantis off the maps
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/navy-seal-training-death.html?partner=IFTTT oh no, the people we are selecting to be trained as professional throat slitters might be cheatning 
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the entire us chinook fleet of 400 heavy-lift dual-rotor helicopters is grounded because they keep lighting on fire spontaneously and boeing needs to fix them.
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Rhandhali posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/navy-seal-training-death.html?partner=IFTTT if the point of the training isn't to be as punishing as possible and force them to cheat than they are making murders wrong. im pretty sure you want the worst scum possible for your elite commandos
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I don’t find the conflation of Autocracy, Orthodoxy, and Nationalism of Russia and its supported authoritarian client states (of which Assad is) with leftism or socialism compelling in anyway. it is something to be opposed. I don’t however think regime change is viable or desirable in Syria at this point. you are a deadshit
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