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Nukelear v.2 posted:Dock talk: There's no dock mode. Or controller modes. The onboard controller's called Neptune. It's present by default as controller 1 and you can pair/connect any number of additional controllers. It will largely depend on the game how it handles multiple controllers. Modern games should be no problem. You're still playing on a PC. Switch was designed around the hot swapping.
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v1ld posted:I meant the builtin support Steam has for manipulating controllers. The existence of an actual Steam Controller device makes me add words like "code" to distinguish the software from that hardware. Not very clear though. Oh gotcha, the driver and whatever. Thanks for the clarification!
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Subjunctive posted:Also: can I just swap SD cards freely to change what games are installed? That would be great.
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alright, i've played enough xcloud on Steam Deck to say that, as long as you have a good connection, it'll be pretty darn good. unfortunately even with a wifi extender, the wifi in my room is spotty enough that i get some major issues (primarily dropped inputs). but if you are in a small place or have your router pretty close, you should be fine. but it is funny playing powerwash simulator and suddenly watching my pressure blaster veer off into the sky because it froze on an input but the visual feed kept going one thing to keep in mind is you'll want to close out of the edge browser (i just force exit) between play sessions or it won't let you back into a game
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Vic posted:I think so, but I bet you'll need to restart steam. Steam checks its app folder on startup. Nah I have a card devoted strictly to Roms and another to Steam games. I've booted with the Roms in before and hot swapped. It picks it up fine.
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Nukelear v.2 posted:Dock talk: The 8bitdo Pro 2 controller has a physical toggle on it that lets you swap between 4 different modes. I have mine set to work between my Switch, my Mister and my MacBook. Which brings me to my next question, do 8bitdo controllers work well on Steam Deck?
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Nukelear v.2 posted:What are you guys using for a controller and do you have to do a lot of finagling to switch between docked and undock controller mode? Nukelear v.2 posted:I feel like going to use the control map to reconfigure between my dualshock and the deck's control everytime I dock/undock would get old. Heran Bago posted:Are you actually running anything at 4k60 or was it more to see if it could? Except if your monitor only supports 4K @ 30 Hz, or your USB-C hub does. Previously the Deck would still run at 4K@30 which isn't optimal. In a recent update they've changed that to run at your monitor's preferred 60 Hz resolution, which is usually 1080p. Which is fine, except scaling can get weird with 720p content--particularly pixel games. Edit: The only real "problem" I have when using a dock is that games (should) render at 1280x800 on the Deck's screen and 1280x720 when connected to a hub. Some games will "remember" the 1280x720 settings though and end up letterboxed when you play them handheld again. Usually this is just a matter of changing the resolution in the in game settings, but ideally this wouldn't happen. More generally, in-game graphics settings will be shared between handheld and docked configurations, so while older games could render at 1080p or maybe even 4K natively, I tend to just run them at 1280x720 with the same in-game settings and then FSR scale them in the performance tab. It doesn't look as good as native, but it minimizes the fussing I have to do so I'm fine with that overall. Detective No. 27 posted:Which brings me to my next question, do 8bitdo controllers work well on Steam Deck? The M30 also works great. I use it in Xinput mode since it doesn't really matter and I have it paired to my Switch in Switch mode. I did notice the button mapping is slightly off in Xinput mode, "L" is LB, "R" is LT, "Z" is RB, and "C" is RT. For games where this matters I just have a custom Steam Input that fixes this. Maybe it's correct in Switch mode--to be honest I haven't bothered to figure it out. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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v1ld posted:The Deck is basically a Linux PC that can run Steam and all of its controller code so there are no limitations there in terms of choice. Are you the foretold one? The person who knows about controllers and steam and how the two interact? does that stuff have something to do with why i couldn't get gyro to work at all on switch pro controller with steam?
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Mescal posted:Are you the foretold one? The person who knows about controllers and steam and how the two interact? does that stuff have something to do with why i couldn't get gyro to work at all on switch pro controller with steam? lol. I used a switch pro controller with the switch and it broke, never got to use it with Steam. According to this post from the Steam developers from 4 years ago the pro controller's gyro should just work in Steam: Nintendo Switch Pro Controller support via Steam Input. Are you sure you've bound the gyro input in your config? It's the infinity symbol like thing in the bottom left of the last pic in that article. Click it and make sure it's bound to some action when you move the controller. It's not bound to anything by default. E: I've only skimmed, but this video seems to cover it in possibly too much detail and in a very excited voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenJLOTGxLc v1ld fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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Somebody take one for the team and get this then let us know how it does on the Deck… https://store.steampowered.com/app/1659600/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_The_Cowabunga_Collection/ 
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Cartoon Man posted:Somebody take one for the team and get this then let us know how it does on the Deck… $40 for a collection of 13 roms, three of which are TMNT Tournament Fighters. Get EmuDeck, it’s rockin
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I’m one of those weirdos that doesn’t emulate anything and buys all his games traditionally.
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Cartoon Man posted:I’m one of those weirdos that doesn’t emulate anything and buys all his games traditionally. Well, you should probably only be emulating games you own
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JazzFlight posted:From my experience so far, I think the JSAUX dock (the most recent one, the HB0603) works very well for my purposes. This one here: I'm getting by just fine with one of my MacBook's many USB C dongles with HDMI/USB C Power/Networking, but having a couple of these around the house in the office and living room would be really convenient, and they're not terribly expensive. It looks like they're working on an all-metal version with m.2 slot as well: https://twitter.com/jsauxofficial/status/1554836894542102529?s=20&t=6ntEcQfkmukb9uM6zsWJdg
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Gay Retard posted:I'm getting by just fine with one of my MacBook's many USB C dongles with HDMI/USB C Power/Networking, but having a couple of these around the house in the office and living room would be really convenient, and they're not terribly expensive. This could be interesting but I'm sure its going to be expensive as hell.
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I somehow glossed over tweet saying it's a dock and thought it was a whole new back panel to the Deck itself. 
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Gay Retard posted:It looks like they're working on an all-metal version with m.2 slot as well: The Deck doesn't have Thunderbolt but apparently m.2 can still achieve decent speeds externally: https://www.storagereview.com/review/plugable-usbc-nvme-usb-3-1-gen-2-nvme-ssd-enclosure-review Not sure I'd want this though because it doesn't really seem necessary for these reasons: - The SD card is fine for sequential write I/O such as when you install a game to it. It's not as fast as an m.2 here but it's certainly fast enough and more for how rarely you do this. - The SD card is fine for sequential or random read I/O of the type that most games do when they're running, which is why we see so many reports of the SD being as good as the m.2 for games. It's obviously nowhere near as good in the general case and I would never throw it at a random database workload, say, but it seems to be acceptable for this use. - The SD card isn't great at random write I/O, especially large amounts of it. But that seems to be reserved for save games on a gaming machine and there's not that much of it even in a gaming situation - saves are relatively infrequent even in a live save game like Elden Ring. But Steam forces these to happen to the built-in eMMC or m.2 nvme drive just to ensure speedy saves. That's good design. So where does an external m.2 nvme fit into this picture? I don't see a need for it. v1ld fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Aug 30, 2022 |
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I could see if you are planning on hooking it up to an external display as an emulation machine. You could have all the roms and stuff stored on there
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Yeah, that'd be a cool use case for sure. Even there an external SD card array will be cheaper and just as efficient because modern SD is much faster than what those old games need - but m.2 is easy enough, if expensive.
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v1ld posted:The Deck doesn't have Thunderbolt but apparently m.2 can still achieve decent speeds externally: https://www.storagereview.com/review/plugable-usbc-nvme-usb-3-1-gen-2-nvme-ssd-enclosure-review I put an m.2 into an enclosure and it fried it and i can't recover anything on it. It'll only be read as a "usb drive". It was a 1TB drive too!
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jokes posted:I put an m.2 into an enclosure and it fried it and i can't recover anything on it. It'll only be read as a "usb drive". Ouch! I'm going through my own personal hell on my main desktop right now - still unresolved - so I'm particularly empathetic to failed hardware stories right now.
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v1ld posted:The SD card isn't great at random write I/O, especially large amounts of it. But that seems to be reserved for save games on a gaming machine and there's not that much of it even in a gaming situation - saves are relatively infrequent even in a live save game like Elden Ring. But Steam forces these to happen to the built-in eMMC or m.2 nvme drive just to ensure speedy saves. That's good design. Shader compilation could be considered random I/O and that is internal storage.
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Super No Vacancy posted:can anyone clarify exactly what bios pack is needed and where it should go for emudeck because the guides are like 'it should be easy to find an archive with google' and then because google sucks rear end and the internet is dead you just get 15 reddit results looking for the same thing and some people find a couple zips but all have conflicting information on whether subfolders are an issue and etc Join the Disc, I'm sure there's some help to be had there: https://discord.gg/kXMsCDarZs jokes posted:Well, you should probably only be emulating games you own Living up to that username.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:I wouldn't really call save traffic "random I/O". Usually saves are a single file and not very large (a few MB). Either way, totally fine for a SD card. Steam doesn't so much "force" saves to internal storage as much as that's just the location of compatdata for anything running under Proton. Linux native games can save to the SD card just fine. Yeah, that's a better characterization of the two.
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Blizzard don't give a gently caress about your controllers. Neither does BioWare, the Baldur's Gate Enhanced Editions don't have controller support on PC and they also have console ports.
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F.D. Signifier posted:The power supply chat comes up often because what the deck needs (15v) is non-intuitive, plenty of power supplies that provide more than 45w do not support 15v, and the power supplies that do and which ones are on sale will change pretty frequently. I'm kind of OK on the power stuff because it's less intuitive and options do change over time. The obsession with SD cards is ridiculous at this point, because, as we've said: plenty of people have stated we've never received a counterfeit, ever, and the rest of you are incessant with the "you're definitely gonna get a counterfeit" implication. And on top of that, returns/exchanges are easy. Again, this is very much like you guys saying not to buy [anything] because you had a bad experience with [anything] once, so everyone else is 100% going to have the same experience, and there's no recourse like returns or purchase protection. It has nothing specifically to do with SD cards (especially considering you can run into counterfeits of anything, like designer goods or razer cartridges.) Happy Noodle Boy posted:Trick about buying anything on amazon is having a Whole Foods nearby since they handle returns now and you get refunded immediately. No need to ship poo poo back. Whole foods, UPS store, Kohl's, Amazon drop boxes. v1ld posted:They do the immediate refund even if you drop it off at a non-Amazon drop off like UPS or any of their other retail drop-off points. I get the refund notification within 10-15 minutes once the return bar code is scanned. There's a little nuance: you can go for the immediate reimbursement, in the form of a gift balance credit, or an actual refund to your original form of payment after they actually receive the returned item. MarcusSA posted:So speaking of Amazon returns this happens every so often and I have no idea why. One thing I've noticed is that I get different options each time I have to return something, and I haven't been able to figure out if it's totally random, or depends on the type of item. ExcessBLarg! posted:The Deck tops out at 45W (15V). Barring some proprietary weirdness, chargers will also top out at 45W (15V). Those 60W+ modes are 20V only which the Deck doesn't support, but a USB-PD 2.0-compliant 60W+ charger will work fine since they'll support the 45W mode. I'm glad you took a swing at the power adapter guy first, I was  pretty hard at his first statement.grieving for Gandalf posted:in my experience, the power draw can be more than the charger is giving, so I bought a 60 or 65w charger off Amazon Not only does the Dreck not accept more than 45 W, it can't use that much, itself; the SoC is 15 W TDP max (and you should really lower that to like 10-11 W,) and everything else (storage, RAM, display, etc.) doesn't use anywhere near 30 W altogether. There's absolutely no way the included 45 W PSU can't power the Dreck and charge the battery simultaneously. v1ld posted:Do y'all still use wired ethernet for much? Wifi6 is good enough that I don't run cables even to my fixed desktop - it gets 800+ Mbps in real use over wifi, though Steam game downloads are the only thing that get that high usually. I use Ethernet wherever possible (for performance/stability/security/interference/etc. reasons) which in practice means only on desktops, or at a desk where I commonly use a PC of some kind. Cartoon Man posted:Somebody take one for the team and get this then let us know how it does on the Deck… I just received my Switch copy, I'll get it on Steam later on when there's a sale! (Although I might get in on this.) Cartoon Man posted:I’m one of those weirdos that doesn’t emulate anything and buys all his games traditionally. 
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So there's a plug-in you can get with Decky called Vibrant Deck that allows you to up the saturation of the screen system wide in Gaming Mode. You can also lower saturation to total black and white. Default Saturation:  Black and White:  400 Saturation:  120 is where I like it kind of a fake OLED look, some games look good at 140 for me but I find that anything higher is just too much:  That being said, I've also been messing with RetroArch shaders to give older games that CRT glow and I found one that looks pretty drat good. The more I look at it though, I really just love the CRT kinda look on the Steam Deck, maybe someone can mod filters in on a system level or something and make my Deck feel like a 90s Relic.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Went through the trouble of installing battle.net and diablo just to rmemeber D3 on PC still doesnt have controller support, something their console part has had since they ported it in... 2013. I saw this on Reddit. I don't have any idea how well it works. https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/wylt01/diablo_iii_on_deck_a_steam_input_configuration/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
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Heran Bago posted:Are you actually running anything at 4k60 or was it more to see if it could? There are games that run fine with 4k60 actually. I saw a video showing that Left 4 Dead 2 works at that resolution. I'm just happy to see that a lot of games run very well at 1080p. Was enjoying SpinRhythm XD and American Truck Simulator in the Living Room yesterday. JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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sigher posted:The more I look at it though, I really just love the CRT kinda look on the Steam Deck, maybe someone can mod filters in on a system level or something and make my Deck feel like a 90s Relic. idk how hard it would be on a deck, but should be possible with vkbasalt and CRT.fx from the reshade repo at least
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JazzFlight posted:ExcessBLarg! explained a lot of it, but it's more that the previous hub I have can only do 4k30 and the problem when hooking it up to a 4k TV is that since the UI is set to that (and you can't change it anywhere), it also limits all content to 30hz. That means that even though the games are running at 720/1080, they're still capped because of the overlay. For some games that's alright, but for others that rely on 60hz (like emulators or rhythm games for instance), it really screws things up.
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Commander Keene posted:So would a 4k30 hub do 60Hz on a non-4k TV/monitor? The largest I have is a 1440p PC monitor, everything else is 1080p at best, and I'd like to save some money on a USB hub, I don't want to spend $70-80 on it if I can get one for like $40 that can do what I want. But all the Amazon entries for USB hubs were focused on their performance at 4k and didn't say anything about their performance at lower resolutions.
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Commander Keene posted:So would a 4k30 hub do 60Hz on a non-4k TV/monitor? The largest I have is a 1440p PC monitor, everything else is 1080p at best, and I'd like to save some money on a USB hub, I don't want to spend $70-80 on it if I can get one for like $40 that can do what I want. But all the Amazon entries for USB hubs were focused on their performance at 4k and didn't say anything about their performance at lower resolutions. It should do this okay. The issue isn't the refresh rate, but the bandwidth needed to carry the signal. If a hub can handle enough bandwidth for 4k 30hz, it should be able to do 1440p 60hz or 1080p 120hz.
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uiruki posted:It needs a patch. Basically it has a high chance of somehow messing itself up on start, either freezing entirely or just failing to play music and in either case needs a reboot. Once you’re in, though, it’s fine. Running pretty much max detail with a 50fps limit as it couldn’t quite manage 60. Don’t fiddle with the resolution settings as it’ll crash. FYI, someone's already made a plugin for Soul Hackers 2 (https://github.com/Lyall/SoulHackers2Fix) that adds some graphical tweaks and settings, including ability to run it at resolutions/ratios other than 16x9. I've got it running at the Deck's native 1280x800 resolution after installing this plugin. (The only hitch I ran into while installing it was that some of the files unzipped with no permissions set, and I had to manually enable read+write permissions before it worked.)
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Commander Keene posted:So would a 4k30 hub do 60Hz on a non-4k TV/monitor? Longer-answer: USB-C hubs that only do 4K@30 are HDMI 1.4, which means the TMDS clock maxes out at 340 MHz. CEA 4K@30 uses a 297 MHz clock so we know the hub supports at least that much. 2560x1440 (60 Hz) isn't a CEA resolution so I'm not sure what your monitor actually specifies in its EDID, but if it uses CVT-R then it should be using a 242 MHz clock (or about) which would be within the capabilities of HDMI 1.4 hubs. That said, my anecdotal experience with HDMI converters is they can be finicky when running anything outside of CEA modes so some transcoder chips might tolerate it and some might not. Unless you know for sure that a specific hub does support it, you might have to pick one, try it, and be willing to return it if it's no-go. Personally I'd try to get a 4K@60 hub just in case you do ever upgrade to 4K or want to use it on a 4K TV some day, and I just don't think it makes sense to buy anything that only supports HDMI 1.4 these days. The Anker 555 is $80 on Amazon though, and when I bought one on Prime Day it only came down to $64, so I understand the cost concern. Maybe you'd prefer to take a chance on a cheaper hub then. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Aug 31, 2022 |
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Atomizer posted:The obsession with SD cards is ridiculous at this point, because, as we've said: plenty of people have stated we've never received a counterfeit, ever, and the rest of you are incessant with the "you're definitely gonna get a counterfeit" implication. And on top of that, returns/exchanges are easy. The whole reason I said anything at all is because while I don't follow this thread religiously I do try to keep up with it, and it was a concern that I'd seen pop up multiple times. I just like asking questions to make sure my understanding is correct or not before diving into decisions that may have been otherwise ill-informed.  And I now understand that it's not the concern I heard it was.
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