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Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

Marshal Prolapse posted:

I found something claiming he, like Navaly, was done with what happened in 2014. Can't find the link of course now.

Done with or down with?

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Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
russia has the grey zone, NATO has the poo poo zone

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

slurm posted:

I wonder if you couldn't use drones as sea or land mines, just have them sitting there waiting. Infinite loiter.

That's essentially what a CAPTOR mine is.

e:fb

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

monkeytennis posted:

5 golden manbabies fuckin lol that’s a phrase from the past :v:

The golden manbaby should be a ribbon device over a goatse ribbon.

Loden Taylor
Aug 11, 2003

in a well actually posted:

Imagine four commandos on the edge of a parade ground

METT-TC works the same way

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

A good thread

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1565080952203841538.html

Some highlights from it.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565080959870984193
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565080963268370439
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565080965080301570
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565080972202332160
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565080974211403777
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565080978216869897
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565080986177732608
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565081004573970436

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
My bad, wrong thread.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Xakura posted:

Done with or down with?

Oh down, sorry.

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



bird food bathtub posted:

What is the campaign ribbon for 69th Shitpost Brigade in the social media wars? I vote 5 golden manbabies. Bring back some classics.

Unironically the Remote Combat Effects Campaign Medal.

https://www.afpc.af.mil/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/2000587/remote-combat-effects-campaign-medal/

CabooseRvB
Aug 12, 2022

I miss Sheila :c
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/portals/7/hot%20spots/documents/russia/2017-07-the-russian-way-of-war-grau-bartles.pdf

Came across this interesting 'book' regarding how the Russian Federation wages war.

One of the fascinating aspects about the Russian logistics and perhaps the cause of its massive failure during this war (and also why we saw some very silly vehicles running supplies early in its stages)

Pg 324 on the pdf talks about how the Russians used to rely heavily on a wartime economy to fulfill its logistical needs but had to deal with a shift away from that. A lot of its logistics ops rely on conscript/contractor support.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

*flags entire row of officers*

"FINISH HIM"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Softface posted:

Between 19 and 59? That's some prime barrel scraping.

you may not like it but this is where peak performance is

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Alan Smithee posted:

*flags entire row of officers*

"FINISH HIM"

That is some weak rear end Kurt Wimmer bullshit if I've ever seen any. But at least the backdrop resembles the set from Equilibrium. Bleak.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008


that is the dumbest poo poo I've heard of

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

PookBear posted:

that is the dumbest poo poo I've heard of

They shoulda used the Combat Action Badge from the Army, but put a joystick there isntead of a knife

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

PookBear posted:

that is the dumbest poo poo I've heard of

The Army and Air Force "boot camp ribbons" would like a word with you.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

https://m.dw.com/en/germany-police-clash-with-protestors-outside-arms-factory/a-62999853

You see, if Ukraine just abandoned capitalism, Russia would stop invading them. Duh.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

psydude posted:

https://m.dw.com/en/germany-police-clash-with-protestors-outside-arms-factory/a-62999853

You see, if Ukraine just abandoned capitalism, Russia would stop invading them. Duh.

On the other hand, this seems to be the only report that even implies that the group had more attendents then the 10 people in the picture.

Jasper Tin Neck
Nov 14, 2008


"Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

So are these people against arming Ukraine or Russia? For context, Rheinmetal broke sanctions put in place after the 2014 invasion of Crimea and Donbas to help arm Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1544539580728221696

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

So are these people against arming Ukraine or Russia? For context, Rheinmetal broke sanctions put in place after the 2014 invasion of Crimea and Donbas to help arm Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1544539580728221696

I see the germans are maintaining the proud Krupp tradition of selling arms to your country's potential enemies.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

So are these people against arming Ukraine or Russia? For context, Rheinmetal broke sanctions put in place after the 2014 invasion of Crimea and Donbas to help arm Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1544539580728221696

From looking at their own statements they are against arming anybody whatsoever under any circumstances. For reasons of full apolitical moral pacifism.

Though, the fact that they have 10 members, unclear funding, and only went active in the last few months makes me suspicious that they are actually against arms shipments to ukraine specifically. Also, they only mention Ukraine and Turkey as dubious shipment targets, and ignore the shipments to russia and israel.

On the other hand considering that the only mention of capitalism on their site is extremely hard to find, but front and center in all external reporting makes me a bit suspicious for the other side. And leads me to assume that the people reporting this in that anti-left way are actually primarily in favour of arms shipments to Russia and Turkey and don't actually care about Ukraine.

A land of contrasts.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

I mean the statement itself comes from an interview with one of the organizers. It's probably not going to be posted on their website as a mission statement, though.

I wouldn't put it past being a WikiLeaks-style faux leftist/libertarian/anarchist front for Russian psyops/intelligence, as you surmised. Germany's got enough pacifists that missed the point and are just waiting to be co-opted by whichever nation state would benefit from continued German ambivalence to foreign policy.

psydude fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Sep 2, 2022

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
Until fairly recently, an enervated Germany was in the interest of the US, Europe, and Soviet Union. It just so happens that it's also in Russian interests and they've found a way to leverage it over the past decade or so.

kupachek
Aug 5, 2015

This man’s brain is trembling in the balance between reason and insanity, and as he stalks on with clenched fist and sword in hand, as though he still saw those murderous Russians gunners.

uncleTomOfFinland posted:

I see the germans are maintaining the proud Krupp tradition of selling arms to your country's potential enemies.

Members of the Reichstag were grumbling about Krupp's sales in that regard in 1900, in the context of selling guns to the Boers and a bitter memory of guns sold to the Chinese which were later used against German soldiers. I have a recollection of a similar grumble from around 1892-3'ish about another firm selling torpedo boats to the Russian Empire.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
So I was wondering have people noticed any of the tactics or behaviors of Ukrainian forces in the last few days being similar to NATO or Western training? I’m not doubting they had it or anything like that, I’m just wondering if anyone has noticed similarities with their own training or things they did.

https://twitter.com/blukraine/status/1565540857297612801

Also I love that most of those German companies are still the same old ones that act as arms manufacturer boosters you can pick in hearts of iron four.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Marshal Prolapse posted:

So I was wondering have people noticed any of the tactics or behaviors of Ukrainian forces in the last few days being similar to NATO or Western training? I’m not doubting they had it or anything like that, I’m just wondering if anyone has noticed similarities with their own training or things they did.

https://twitter.com/blukraine/status/1565540857297612801

Also I love that most of those German companies are still the same old ones that act as arms manufacturer boosters you can pick in hearts of iron four.

I've noticed this quite often. There was a video of a training session that featured a field class on how to retrofit mortar rounds onto RPG-7 launchers that looked like almost every non classroom training session I'd ever had in the Army.

A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Sep 2, 2022

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

A.o.D. posted:

I've noticed this quite often. There was a video of a training session that featured a field class and n how to retrofit mirror rounds onto RPG-7 launchers that looked like almost every non classroom training session I'd ever had in the Army.

Nice, that’s good to know. I mean it’s clear Ukraine has dedicated a lot of time to ensuring their army is not like it was on 2014, but it’s neat to see or learn about the changes at the micro (tactical) level too. I’ve also read reports from people who did training with Ukrainian soldiers that the trainers felt the Ukrainians were some of the most dedicated students they had in terms of desire to improve and achieving that improvement.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

A country's tactical approach is always going to be a reflection of its equipment, while its operational and strategic approach will largely be a reflection of its doctrine. Ukrainian troops are still fighting almost entirely with Soviet weaponry, so they're going to be largely limited by it in the tactical sense at the squad, platoon, and (to a degree) company level. That's why you're still seeing RPG teams in videos. This isn't something you'd really see in a non-Warsaw bloc military. At the same time, they seem to have fully embraced squad and platoon level tactics that clearly bear the hallmark of training provided by the US, UK, and others. Russians still tend to operate in larger formations (Battalion Tactical Groups really are their smallest tactical element in their conventional force structure, as the name implies).

At the operational level, economy of force (e.g. getting the most bang for your buck), combined arms maneuver warfare, and mission command (devolved decision making) are all key features of NATO militaries, and have been displayed by the Ukrainians from the outset of the invasion, up through the current counteroffensive.

Contrast this with the Soviet style, which prioritizes massed fires (overwhelming your enemy with artillery and armor), centralized decision making, and lacks coordination between different branches and functions. This is what the Russians are doing.

psydude fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Sep 2, 2022

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

The guy closest to the camera looks like he might be sticking his muzzle in the dirt, but maybe he's resting it on a rock or something (like an MRE heater! ba-dum tsh)

I haven't seen a lot of Ukrainian infantry videos but that M777 video 100% reminded me of US gun crews, they work with a "NASCAR pit crew" level of efficiency and it was good to see. I would be much more interested in seeing how they plan operations and communicate but that's not really Twitter material.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
One thing I've noticed all over footage from both sides in Ukraine, and probably from other modern wars, is a behavior that I (a non military know nothing) would never have expected from video games/movies/other military poo poo. But it seems like everybody does it!

This is the omnipresent "walk up to a corner/hill/window, take a few shots, and calmly mosey away." Maybe take a little breather, pop a squat, talk to somebody, vibe. Don't pay too much attention to that place you just shot at.

In video games and movies if you're shooting around a corner you're also going to be constantly watching it, treating it with the utmost seriousness, staying squashed up to cover right next to it when you're not actively firing. But it seems like in Real War there's a lot of downtime and a lot of uncertainty about whether there's anyone in the direction you're shooting so it's more important to just pop a couple off to say "yep, we're still here, don't gently caress around" and then relax a bit. As much as you can relax in a combat zone.

I dunno it's just weird to have the "corner of shooting at people" directly adjacent to the "chill hang out zone". Maybe it's a selection effect from having the camera on.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
In a FPS, you're trying to win. In real life you're trying to not die. Your AK can capture point B, but it's not going to push the Russians out of Kherson. Most of the time you're guarding equipment, or protecting the radio, or pulling security. You're absolutely right that those pot shots are just letting the other side know that they can't just gently caress around, and that the battlefield is contested. At that time they're just fixing the enemy in place so that they can be destroyed by other means, or so that they can decide that this isn't a terrain feature they need to fight over and decide to either go somewhere else or give up.

CabooseRvB
Aug 12, 2022

I miss Sheila :c

General Battuta posted:

One thing I've noticed all over footage from both sides in Ukraine, and probably from other modern wars, is a behavior that I (a non military know nothing) would never have expected from video games/movies/other military poo poo. But it seems like everybody does it!

This is the omnipresent "walk up to a corner/hill/window, take a few shots, and calmly mosey away." Maybe take a little breather, pop a squat, talk to somebody, vibe. Don't pay too much attention to that place you just shot at.

In video games and movies if you're shooting around a corner you're also going to be constantly watching it, treating it with the utmost seriousness, staying squashed up to cover right next to it when you're not actively firing. But it seems like in Real War there's a lot of downtime and a lot of uncertainty about whether there's anyone in the direction you're shooting so it's more important to just pop a couple off to say "yep, we're still here, don't gently caress around" and then relax a bit. As much as you can relax in a combat zone.

I dunno it's just weird to have the "corner of shooting at people" directly adjacent to the "chill hang out zone". Maybe it's a selection effect from having the camera on.

you got to remember that those videos were likely made in 'quieter' areas or moments in time that allow folks to take pop shots. It's difficult for anybody to remember to record when there's a full-fledged battle unfolding before you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2xeZdIxdHE

just one example of seeing a full-on fight would be some of the footage in fallujah, most combat was still at distance but the cameraman who was also likely a member of that squad/team/whatever knew it was OK to start filming right after a moment that wouldn't require him to be on alert.

but now thanks to gopros and drones you can actually see "candid" combat like when the Ukrainians ambushed a tank convoy below. Not much vibes here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKCwRVfVV3c

CabooseRvB fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Sep 2, 2022

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

slurm posted:

I wonder if you couldn't use drones as sea or land mines, just have them sitting there waiting. Infinite loiter.

I'm 99% sure this is something Dahir Insaat has already made a video on.

slurm
Jul 28, 2022

by Hand Knit

BadOptics posted:

I'm 99% sure this is something Dahir Insaat has already made a video on.

Hopefully in a CGI fake rock

WaltherFeng
May 15, 2013

50 thousand people used to live here. Now, it's the Mushroom Kingdom.
Fps matches tend to take minutes at most so you'll be in hyper focused for the duration of the match.

Similarly live fire exercises only take minutes to complete so you'll be in combat high the whole time.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565743758196580352
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565743776517312513
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565743781286232066
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565743786231271424
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565743802492624898
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565743804958769156
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565743807051825153
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565744061272784899
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565744069598396416
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565744073922732032
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565745825065697280
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1565745830270799872

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Not exactly surprising, but here we goooooo

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300678311/russias-gazprom-announces-it-wont-reopen-key-gas-pipeline-to-europe-as-planned

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

They claimed an 'oil leak' and sent a picture of a wiring panel with what looks like soy sauce dribbled on it.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

That report seems to be blowing the severity a bit out of proportion. Gas reserves in Germany have already exceeded the goal for storage, the weather here has cooled off substantially, and we're finally getting some loving rain. Germany was definitely the weak link in the chain; if it is able to pull through then the rest of the bloc will be just fine.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

psydude posted:

That report seems to be blowing the severity a bit out of proportion. Gas reserves in Germany have already exceeded the goal for storage, the weather here has cooled off substantially, and we're finally getting some loving rain. Germany was definitely the weak link in the chain; if it is able to pull through then the rest of the bloc will be just fine.

On top of that, France's EDF just announced all their Nuclear plants should be back online by Winter, so things are likely covered.

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